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August 05, 2014, 12:12:47 AM
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Yea, when do the SP50 pre-orders open ?
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August 05, 2014, 12:25:35 AM
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I don't think trolls will ever stop, because if you go to their message history you see that they are active on 1-3 HW manufacturers posts, trying to demotivate people, and that's all they do. And they didn't ever buy miners from us. For example, s1gs3 writes only in "Alpha Technology Litecoin (Scrypt) ASIC Miner Order Batch 1 Now!" and in this thread, almost every day, and telling how great Antminers are. I don't have anything against antminer, but how often do you see us going to other vendors technical forums, disturbing operation?

And at this point EVERY new person coming to this thread asking relevant question about noise, voltage, rate, warranty, delivery  or whatever will get into conversation with a troll before I even wake up.

I will do my best to convince Guy to ban people who disturb operation from this thread - I think it will be less damaging for our clients then keeping them here. He thinks they will "settle" down, but I don't see think that people should be allowed here to disturb the operation.


And even after I blocked them, I see them in quoted boxes if someone replies to them :/

You guys should throw up your own forum. It is very easy to install since you already have your domain/website setup and really doesn't take anytime to mange or run it. Then you can really have a dedicated area for support relevant to your products instead of this one huge long thread that takes forever to find info and catch up on daily. Some of the most popular forum software is free. You guys could at least give that a try to get away from all the BS and trolls. And if you do get a forum up and running, one suggestion, don't turn into a moderator police officer. Some companies forums are horrible since they delete every post they disagree with and don't like. As long as the content is of a serious nature and respectful the post should stay. Good luck.

 

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August 05, 2014, 12:30:36 AM
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....And statements that assert that substandard performance at 110 volts is not a problem because customers can always host in a datacenter instead of running their machines in a home or office environment are disingenuous. ...

At 3kW, you won't be running on a standard home/office circuit anyway. (North-American plugs are generally limited to 12-15 amps of continuous draw (1320W-1650W at 110V, power factor of 1.0)

Edit: I suppose you can hook it up in the kitchen where the outlets generally have two branches (The SP30 does have two supplies).

Adding a 240 volt circuit to most houses is trivial and cheap. If you can afford 4K for a mining device, you can afford another 50-200 dollars for a new circuit or, worst case, a new panel with a new circuit. I find this argument disengenuous. Calling out a company for missing their target is fine and dandy. From what I've seen, Spondoolies has acknowledged that they made some errors and are working to rectify it. But bitching about a circuit or two is just plain trolling. This is high school level stuff.

To those of you who don't know how to do it and/or are afraid to, an electrician is not THAT expensive. It boggles me how people are willing to spend a small fortune on these devices and then bitch because they have to spend a pittance more to make their house compatible with the CLEARLY commercial grade equipment.

Here in NJ electricians are VERY expensive. I have a 100amp panel which is almost full and wanted to add a sub panel and a couple 240V circuits. I actually got two quotes. One was for $1200 and the other was $950. Installing new circuits you sometimes need to break down the sheet rock and do a lot of other things that just add to the cost. Once the electrician leaves then you need to do some sheet rock work, spackling, painting, etc. It adds up.

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August 05, 2014, 12:49:49 AM
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In the same boat, unfortunately SP-Tech wants to keep their sales model as pre-order only. Manufactures have the ability to change that and sell out of stock but choose not to because of the less risk to them. All the risk then shifts to the buyer and we see what happens. Please, don't get me wrong, and from previous posts, I think SP-Tech is probably one of the best makers of mining hardware around and I do look forward and eager to see what is on the horizon and future. I think they did the best they could with what they had and believe me, they didn't like the results and specs of their SP30 just as much as the customer's didn't.

For  product with a life-span of a maximum 9 months, you can't afford to build it on stock. Look at the biostar 24GH board. They agree it was a trial run, but they came almost 1 year late. If it was an investment to be paid back, it's completely dead. On the other hand, there is a step between pre-orders and stock. It's called build-to-order .. similar with what you do in a restaurant Cheesy  Sometimes the server takes your steak back because it's "not according to spec", but most of the time, they get it right and everyone is happy with the service.

The technology has to mature for this to happen .. or at least to have a couple of 28nm designs which are systematically improved, a ton of chips taken out the foundries every batch and with a demand not this high to eat all the output (decent 1000 units batch) in a month "on trust" (pre-orders). Eventually, we'll see custom configurations, unique setups which will closely meet the customer demands if they're going to be sold.

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August 05, 2014, 01:00:48 AM
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Can someone explain how the September batch 2 SP30s (and I assume other batches) have 2x 1200 watt PSUs and draws 3000 watts at the wall?

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

$3895 plus shipping will be well over $4000 for 4.5TH/s in September, mid/late September since it is batch #2 is a pretty high price no?

By well over you mean what price? $10k?

Not that much. Instead of well over, maybe medium rare. Specifically it would be $4195, which I'll mark up to $4200. You don't think that's a little high for 4.5TH/s delivered in mid September? And I'm not trying to argue, being serious. I guess prices and money is all ones perspective since everyone has their own value of money. I work hard long days for my money, so I value every dollar. I'm not cheap or frugal, but I do try to get the best price on something I can, if I can.

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August 05, 2014, 01:04:29 AM
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I like the way the rig rests on the brackets and doesn't use the front brackets for all the weight. At my work I see these huge servers being held up by just the front brackets and I can't believe they hold up, even though some of them sag in the back.

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August 05, 2014, 01:10:05 AM
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There are alot of reasons people rent instead of buy.  They are usually not logical. I could put a valid argument for each example you gave.  I can't say that I have traveled outside the usa at all, but you can't say that people who have 6k worth of mining equipment are disadvantaged.  I bought my first house for less than that. 

By no means do I have a poor perspective on people in the usa.  In the us anyone can get a house loan, and again the loan payment and insurance will always be less than rent.  If for some reason the market crashes and they have cheaper prices, you can walk away without penalty. Situations in other 1st world countries are probably similar. For the 3rd world countries, they barely have electricity and internet, I don't think this discussion really applies to them.

You are indeed one ignorant person. You know shit about life, particularly outside the block you live in.

When you refer to a 3rd world country, take a note, that there are all beauties of modern civilization in there. Maybe even more, than in US. The key difference from developed countries is, that the middle class is almost disappeared in 3rd world countries and the rich are getting even more wealthy by abusing and enslaving of those in poverty. Believe me, you will not trust your vision, if you see those castles engraved in gold the rich people in developing countries live in. Their vehicles, also covered in gold or other precious metals. And army of slaves, behind them...

This is in Brazil, for example:


Regarding renting or buying a house, have you considered about the fact, that 30% of US population has a bad credit history or a bankruptcy, hence they can not get a mortgage loan? Educate yourself a bit, before making those hilarious statements...

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I stated earlier I wasn't very familiar with things outside the usa. Everyone is twisting my words. 30% of the usa has shit credit, yes, but FHA will give anyone a loan.  I also am talking about people who sit on 6k worth of mining equipment.
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August 05, 2014, 01:13:22 AM
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Spondoolie-Tech didn't "have" to make the SP30 a pre-order. ... It is the manufactures decision to use your pre-order money for R&D and making the product ...
It was already discussed many times in this thread before. The pre-order money was used for ordering the batches, not for R&D
The 3 months lead time forced us to take pre-orders, because of the amount of $ involved - 10s of $M

As I wrote many times also, I much prefer selling from stock, but it's not an option for us.

Two more issues to consider:

- We know for a fact, after talking with them, that the Chinese manufacturers were dropping prices because of our pre-order price point.
- We don't self mine and we don't compete with our customers. We have 1MW DC in Israel, most of it populated by customers machines.

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My major wasn't business, so I'm not real business savvy. I guess in my mind I'm thinking what does a company do to build something? They get a loan or investors. This is what I thought could be done. I admit, I'm not real keen on how companies operate but I do know a lot of them operate in the red for many years before turning a profit. I really did think you had the choice to sell from stock, I really didn't know you were forced into the pre-order game. I guess you can't just go to the bank and take a loan, right?


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August 05, 2014, 01:15:36 AM
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Can someone explain how the September batch 2 SP30s (and I assume other batches) have 2x 1200 watt PSUs and draws 3000 watts at the wall?

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp30-yukon-september-batch-2

$3895 plus shipping will be well over $4000 for 4.5TH/s in September, mid/late September since it is batch #2 is a pretty high price no?

By well over you mean what price? $10k? Huh wt actual f Huh

obviously somewhere around 4200 and 4500 depending upon shipping 'cost'.

wtf is your point/intention??



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August 05, 2014, 03:08:40 AM
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Has anyone actually received the SP30 yet?

Just wonder how trustworthy ST is and whether their 2nd September batch can be delivered on time.
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August 05, 2014, 03:32:35 AM
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Has anyone actually received the SP30 yet?

Just wonder how trustworthy ST is and whether their 2nd September batch can be delivered on time.

collider has one
roadstress has one arriving 'today'
dogie has one (or its en route)
& 1 other brother, apologies i forget

...that i am aware of

these are the 'july' batch

i imagine dogie & perhaps roadstress didnt part with any coin, i could be mistaken

there was a spondoolie post regarding 'our 63 units' earlier



Jeez how do you afford 63 units lol, were those in the Aug group buy ?

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August 05, 2014, 03:47:41 AM
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...2nd September batch can be delivered on time.
2nd September batch will be shipped in the 2nd half of September. We'll ship on time.


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August 05, 2014, 05:02:29 AM
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The miner turned on:
67DB

This remark gets very easily overlooked without the pictures which were earlier in the message.
I can bet it was fun measuring the DB level with the unit initially turned off Cheesy

Yes, we had to be very quiet Smiley
So the sp30 is just as loud as an sp10 at 70db?

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August 05, 2014, 05:56:59 AM
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For insurance purposes are these miners CE, FCC, CSA, UL approved? just in case of fire i wouldn't want to have insurance declined

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I find this argument thoughtless. Those of us who don't own our own homes are often prohibited from making these kinds of modifications.

You can always suggest this improvement to the landlord. And if it keeps you there safe and happy, (s)he will invest easily in any electrical modifications improving your quality of life. Then it becomes an improvement at "no cost" to you!

yeah, or you could ask the landlord. As long as it is done correctly they probably wont care.  Or you could use your stove outlet (40-50amp 240v) or if you have a gas stove tell your landlord you want an electric stove and you will pay for the outlet to be installed. Keep the gas stove and use the juice.  same could go with a dryer.

er using the stove outlet ..would this adapter work..ie...at your landlord's place (i assume you pay for electric) at least in the USA
use this with your stove or better yet in basement electric dryer outlet... heh Smiley

Well I could have gotten away with this in a couple apts I had ..in that they had 220v outlet for a window a/c unit..(just use that for the miner) and
put in a regular 120 a/c unit at another window heh Smiley

anyway for those who think this may be of use (may be other end types available)..this could work?

I make no claims it will just tossing it out here for those who MAY be at a loss on what to do..trying to provide a 'ah/ha'/ moment for your guys stuck in
some way on this issue..due to apt living etc

http://www.amazon.com/Conntek-Locking-Adapter-Straight-Connector/dp/B001H9TSEW/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1407218070&sr=8-6&keywords=220v+plug+converter+30+amp

anyway maybe I'm off the mark ..but maybe it is something useful to those in this boat

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For insurance purposes are these miners CE, FCC, CSA, UL approved? just in case of fire i wouldn't want to have insurance declined


that is a good point...imho it will not be long till insurance companies ban bitcoin equip due to fire hazards in that they run 24/7

actually they may already have done such due to hot/dangerous GPU milkcrate setups from say 2011 to 2012 etc

no clue I should probably ask as well

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Here in NJ electricians are VERY expensive. I have a 100amp panel which is almost full and wanted to add a sub panel and a couple 240V circuits. I actually got two quotes. One was for $1200 and the other was $950. Installing new circuits you sometimes need to break down the sheet rock and do a lot of other things that just add to the cost. Once the electrician leaves then you need to do some sheet rock work, spackling, painting, etc. It adds up.

That's why we have a GB hosting offer and that's why we have a dedicated thread for colocation offers.

Not that much. Instead of well over, maybe medium rare. Specifically it would be $4195, which I'll mark up to $4200. You don't think that's a little high for 4.5TH/s delivered in mid September? And I'm not trying to argue, being serious. I guess prices and money is all ones perspective since everyone has their own value of money. I work hard long days for my money, so I value every dollar. I'm not cheap or frugal, but I do try to get the best price on something I can, if I can.

$4200 is not "well over" in my opinion.

Unrelated stuff: You managed to post 8 consecutive replies in 8 different post and you are not the only one to do that. Nice way to increase forum posts Smiley

collider has one
roadstress has one arriving 'today'
dogie has one (or its en route)
& 1 other brother, apologies i forget

...that i am aware of
these are the 'july' batch
i imagine dogie & perhaps roadstress didnt part with any coin, i could be mistaken
there was a spondoolie post regarding 'our 63 units' earlier

I wish I didn't part with any coin. My July SP30 is part of one April SP10 and one July SP30 for which I paid a premium to get it before anyone else. Unfortunately it seems that DHL didn't deliver the package on Monday even it the custom part is done. I hope there will be movement today.

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Atleast we seem to be seeing some low difficulty jumps, so that should add nicely to the return for sp30 customers.

Sorry to hear that your unit is still not online roadstress, mine has been mining since the 30th.

Possible delays in shipping (outside the control of spondoolies) was one of the reasons why I chose to have the first unit hosted with them.
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August 05, 2014, 08:21:03 AM
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For insurance purposes are these miners CE, FCC, CSA, UL approved? just in case of fire i wouldn't want to have insurance declined

i think you are looking for the KfC thread. those are the ones that melt. I've had my miners this summer performing up near 50 Celsius (thankfully it's getting cooler now) hashrate was at 1.3 steady on all rigs at that temp. I'd considered powering down on a couple of days, but good wiring seen it fit.

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Every 3dB is a doubling in power. So it is half as loud.

For insurance purposes are these miners CE, FCC, CSA, UL approved? just in case of fire i wouldn't want to have insurance declined

As far as I know, computers do not have to be CSA and UL approved: otherwise you would not be able to add on cards. I think add-on cards are supposed to be FCC approved (don't think that has insurance implications).

However, when studying electronics, we were told that if a non-CSA/UL approved device is plugged in: insurance may be denied. Even it if was not the cause of any fire. The lesson was to unplug your projects when not in use.

Computers get around that by requiring approval for the power supply. The rails are then limited to something like 200VA (less power means less heat -> less risk of fire). I have noticed sometimes cheaper electronics lack UL approval (don't think they are actually supposed to be sold to consumers without it). I suspect that may be why some stuff is labeled "industrial use only".

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