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August 04, 2014, 03:41:08 PM
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I agree that mining has become mostly centralized by the wealthy, but I am not rich at all.  You don't need to be rich to own your own house.

In some countries, even owning a watch can be considered as being rich...

See the situation in 3rd world countries.
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I agree that mining has become mostly centralized by the wealthy, but I am not rich at all.  You don't need to be rich to own your own house.

In some countries, even owning a watch can be considered as being rich...

See the situation in 3rd world countries.

That is true.  If you make over 24k a year you are in the top 1% of the world.  I intended to say I am not rich in comparison to the other people in my area, or in the usa.
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Just to avoid any misunderstandings, if you had the curiosity to open your electrical panel in a generic US residential home, this is how it should look like if you take down the cover:



The image shows 120Volt lines and 240volt lines. Both circuits have ground wire. Each 120V and 240V require two wires to complete circuit. 120V requires 1 hot and 1 neutral. 240V requires 2 hots. Some 240V lines have additional neutral wire. Neutral is not absolutely necessary to complete a 240V circuit. Some 240V lines have white and black instead of red and black.

To avoid burning the place down, follow the rules below about the wire sizes:



With this in mind, here's how one should wire their 250V sockets depending on the type of wires running to your mining location from your electrical panel (-2 wire or -3 wire) ..



or



You definitely have this setup already if your house is built after 1970, since most of the driers and ovens are using 240V in your house. Older houses may be the exceptions I'm going to be trolled on.

As always, if you're not sure what you're doing, get a licensed electrician. Just bear in mind you don't need a dedicated 240V circuit if everything you have is ONE/TWO SP30.

If anyone is interested, I can build to order CSA certified power distribution (sub) panels (metered or un-metered).

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Please clarify how my comment was stupid.

It is stupid because it shows a complete lack of understanding of life experiences different from your own.
There are many reasons people rent instead of buy. In the USA, they could be compromised financially by medical expenses due to serious illness and sold their home to pay the bills, they could be recently divorced and have lost assets to the SO, they could be young and yet to get into the property racket, they could be priced out of the market due to work circumstances, they could have moved recently new a new part of the country and be renting before they buy, they could be waiting for the inevitable property crash in San Deigo to get in cheap, they could ...

There are a million and one obvious reasons why people might rent instead of buy other than not having prioritized buying a home.
Your remark was stupid because you haven't figured this out. My guess is that you are young white, affluent, middle class and live in North America and haven't travelled much.
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The miner turned on:
67DB

This remark gets very easily overlooked without the pictures which were earlier in the message.
I can bet it was fun measuring the DB level with the unit initially turned off Cheesy

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Just to avoid any misunderstandings, if you had the curiosity to open your electrical panel in a generic US residential home, this is how it should look like if you take down the cover:



The image shows 120Volt lines and 240volt lines. Both circuits have ground wire. Each 120V and 240V require two wires to complete circuit. 120V requires 1 hot and 1 neutral. 240V requires 2 hots. Some 240V lines have additional neutral wire. Neutral is not absolutely necessary to complete a 240V circuit. Some 240V lines have white and black instead of red and black.

To avoid burning the place down, follow the rules below about the wire sizes:



With this in mind, here's how one should wire their 250V sockets depending on the type of wires running to your mining location from your electrical panel (-2 wire or -3 wire) ..



or



You definitely have this setup already if your house is built after 1970, since most of the driers and ovens are using 240V in your house. Older houses may be the exceptions I'm going to be trolled on.

As always, if you're not sure what you're doing, get a licensed electrician. Just bear in mind you don't need a dedicated 240V circuit if everything you have is ONE/TWO SP30.

If anyone is interested, I can build to order CSA certified power distribution (sub) panels (metered or un-metered).

Yeah this is how my house looks , the issue though is not the adding of adtionaly 240 v circuts, they also need to be run up and down the wall of my unfinished basement , to the spot where i host my miners near a vented wall

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Hi Everyone,

In previous emails we have asked you to indicate whether you were interested in having your August Group Buy SP30 delivered to you or whether you wanted to take advantage of the special offer we had for the Titan Data Center.

We have created a special product page for those of you who are interested in the special offer.

Please log into the following page, add your original order number, add the product to your car and go through the checkout process:

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/august_gb_titan_hosting

Due to the deviation from the original specification we have decided to subsidize the difference in power costs from the original planned power consumption.

Costs for the hosting plan will be as follows:
•   1 Month of free hosting
•   5 Months hosting for $310 each
•   $100 Setup fees
•   $150 Bulk shipping cost
The total for the above fees is $1,800 for a period of 6 months.

Note that this is a special offer only for members of the August Group Buy!

If you have would like to take advantage of the offer please do so before August 11.

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So i got this email from SP-TECH, its nice that you have decided to honor the original hosting deal, in my case though I have decided to stick to my original plan and host it myself , i plan to run it at 4TH max to keep the PSU's at 2500WAttsI might get come 240 circuits placed as well next week and since it gets cold here around sept(only one month away) i can use forced air cooling and probably pay alot less in electricity costs going forward.  I figure by spring next year the unit will already be unprofitable to run in any case unless btc prices really shoot up.

of course this being the case I would prefer my unit shipped sooner than later as well: do we have a firm ship date on these units yet ?
 Also how any new details on how I will get compensated for the reduced hash rate ?  I paid by bank wire, but I would be fine with a pay-pal re-reimbursement or something even though I would prefer a coupon for a nice discount on October gear.

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Please clarify how my comment was stupid.

It is stupid because it shows a complete lack of understanding of life experiences different from your own.
There are many reasons people rent instead of buy. In the USA, they could be compromised financially by medical expenses due to serious illness and sold their home to pay the bills, they could be recently divorced and have lost assets to the SO, they could be young and yet to get into the property racket, they could be priced out of the market due to work circumstances, they could have moved recently new a new part of the country and be renting before they buy, they could be waiting for the inevitable property crash in San Deigo to get in cheap, they could ...

There are a million and one obvious reasons why people might rent instead of buy other than not having prioritized buying a home.
Your remark was stupid because you haven't figured this out. My guess is that you are young white, affluent, middle class and live in North America and haven't travelled much.

There are alot of reasons people rent instead of buy.  They are usually not logical. I could put a valid argument for each example you gave.  I can't say that I have traveled outside the usa at all, but you can't say that people who have 6k worth of mining equipment are disadvantaged.  I bought my first house for less than that.  

By no means do I have a poor perspective on people in the usa.  In the us anyone can get a house loan, and again the loan payment and insurance will always be less than rent.  If for some reason the market crashes and they have cheaper prices, you can walk away without penalty. Situations in other 1st world countries are probably similar. For the 3rd world countries, they barely have electricity and internet, I don't think this discussion really applies to them.
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Payment required - Hosting in Titan DC
Hi Everyone,

In previous emails we have asked you to indicate whether you were interested in having your August Group Buy SP30 delivered to you or whether you wanted to take advantage of the special offer we had for the Titan Data Center.

We have created a special product page for those of you who are interested in the special offer.

Please log into the following page, add your original order number, add the product to your car and go through the checkout process:

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/august_gb_titan_hosting

Due to the deviation from the original specification we have decided to subsidize the difference in power costs from the original planned power consumption.

Costs for the hosting plan will be as follows:
•   1 Month of free hosting
•   5 Months hosting for $310 each
•   $100 Setup fees
•   $150 Bulk shipping cost
The total for the above fees is $1,800 for a period of 6 months.

Note that this is a special offer only for members of the August Group Buy!

If you have would like to take advantage of the offer please do so before August 11.

Best Regards,

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So i got this email from SP-TECH, its nice that you have decided to honor the original hosting deal, in my case though I have decided to stick to my original plan and host it myself , i plan to run it at 4TH max to keep the PSU's at 2500WAttsI might get come 240 circuits placed as well next week and since it gets cold here around sept(only one month away) i can use forced air cooling and probably pay alot less in electricity costs going forward.  I figure by spring next year the unit will already be unprofitable to run in any case unless btc prices really shoot up.

of course this being the case I would prefer my unit shipped sooner than later as well: do we have a firm ship date on these units yet ?
 Also how any new details on how I will get compensated for the reduced hash rate ?  I paid by bank wire, but I would be fine with a pay-pal re-reimbursement or something even though I would prefer a coupon for a nice discount on October gear.

thanks again.



I am not a part of GB, so just a matter of factual accuracy; wasn't the hosting deal $290 and not $310/mo, but maybe there are some savings in shipping or setup, so the 6 mo total does not change.

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Please clarify how my comment was stupid.

It is stupid because it shows a complete lack of understanding of life experiences different from your own.
There are many reasons people rent instead of buy. In the USA, they could be compromised financially by medical expenses due to serious illness and sold their home to pay the bills, they could be recently divorced and have lost assets to the SO, they could be young and yet to get into the property racket, they could be priced out of the market due to work circumstances, they could have moved recently new a new part of the country and be renting before they buy, they could be waiting for the inevitable property crash in San Deigo to get in cheap, they could ...

There are a million and one obvious reasons why people might rent instead of buy other than not having prioritized buying a home.
Your remark was stupid because you haven't figured this out. My guess is that you are young white, affluent, middle class and live in North America and haven't travelled much.

There are alot of reasons people rent instead of buy.  They are usually not logical. I could put a valid argument for each example you gave.  I can't say that I have traveled outside the usa at all, but you can't say that people who have 6k worth of mining equipment are disadvantaged.  I bought my first house for less than that.  

By no means do I have a poor perspective on people in the usa.  In the us anyone can get a house loan, and again the loan payment and insurance will always be less than rent.  If for some reason the market crashes and they have cheaper prices, you can walk away without penalty. Situations in other 1st world countries are probably similar. For the 3rd world countries, they barely have electricity and internet, I don't think this discussion really applies to them.

Why don't you focus on the mining discussion and avoid brining your personal opinions into it regarding how someone tends to want to live. If you want to get into a conversation about personal choices in home ownership take it elsewhere.

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August 04, 2014, 07:41:43 PM
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The miner turned on:
67DB

This remark gets very easily overlooked without the pictures which were earlier in the message.
I can bet it was fun measuring the DB level with the unit initially turned off Cheesy

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I am not a part of GB, so just a matter of factual accuracy; wasn't the hosting deal $290 and not $310/mo, but maybe there are some savings in shipping or setup, so the 6 mo total does not change.

I think the $290/mo was for the 2500W. After the upgrade announcement to 6Th/s the power consumption went up to 2700W so that's why the cost per month jumped to $310.

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There are alot of reasons people rent instead of buy.  They are usually not logical. I could put a valid argument for each example you gave.  I can't say that I have traveled outside the usa at all, but you can't say that people who have 6k worth of mining equipment are disadvantaged.  I bought my first house for less than that. 

By no means do I have a poor perspective on people in the usa.  In the us anyone can get a house loan, and again the loan payment and insurance will always be less than rent.  If for some reason the market crashes and they have cheaper prices, you can walk away without penalty. Situations in other 1st world countries are probably similar. For the 3rd world countries, they barely have electricity and internet, I don't think this discussion really applies to them.

You are indeed one ignorant person. You know shit about life, particularly outside the block you live in.

When you refer to a 3rd world country, take a note, that there are all beauties of modern civilization in there. Maybe even more, than in US. The key difference from developed countries is, that the middle class is almost disappeared in 3rd world countries and the rich are getting even more wealthy by abusing and enslaving of those in poverty. Believe me, you will not trust your vision, if you see those castles engraved in gold the rich people in developing countries live in. Their vehicles, also covered in gold or other precious metals. And army of slaves, behind them...

This is in Brazil, for example:


Regarding renting or buying a house, have you considered about the fact, that 30% of US population has a bad credit history or a bankruptcy, hence they can not get a mortgage loan? Educate yourself a bit, before making those hilarious statements...

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There are alot of reasons people rent instead of buy.  They are usually not logical. I could put a valid argument for each example you gave.  I can't say that I have traveled outside the usa at all, but you can't say that people who have 6k worth of mining equipment are disadvantaged.  I bought my first house for less than that. 

By no means do I have a poor perspective on people in the usa.  In the us anyone can get a house loan, and again the loan payment and insurance will always be less than rent.  If for some reason the market crashes and they have cheaper prices, you can walk away without penalty. Situations in other 1st world countries are probably similar. For the 3rd world countries, they barely have electricity and internet, I don't think this discussion really applies to them.

You are indeed one ignorant person. You know shit about life, particularly outside the block you live in.

When you refer to a 3rd world country, take a note, that there are all beauties of modern civilization in there. Maybe even more, than in US. The key difference from developed countries is, that the middle class is almost disappeared in 3rd world countries and the rich are getting even more wealthy by abusing and enslaving of those in poverty. Believe me, you will not trust your vision, if you see those castles engraved in gold the rich people in developing countries live in. Their vehicles, also covered in gold or other precious metals. And army of slaves, behind them...

This is in Brazil, for example:


Regarding renting or buying a house, have you considered about the fact, that 30% of US population has a bad credit history or a bankruptcy, hence they can not get a mortgage loan? Educate yourself a bit, before making those hilarious statements...

https://www.nmhc.org/Content.aspx?id=4708

wow, this looks almost like a setup from the "Soylent Green" or "Elysium"
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August 04, 2014, 11:08:45 PM
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What you saying about learning context is an option - but the SW does not work with learning context - not in voltage/freq scaling, and not in AC2DC scaling. In voltage/freq scaling I recalibrate every voltage change - because temperature difference can cause difference in results and there are too many contexts (voltage/heat)., and in AC2DC the user can set it to 1380W if he wants to recalibrate.

I don't want to restart system too often, it will cause too many questions without any real value (imo).

The issue that I was raising is that temperatures in my DC are expected to fluctuate a lot (nearly as much as the outside temps) within a single day. Reconfiguring a miner for each time of the day is not a practical solution. Using settings that work in the worst case is a practical solution, but it's not optimal. I don't know that

I haven't seen any of my ASICs go above 85°C yet. Is performance on 200+V systems usually thermally throttled on the ASIC level or limited by PSU capacity, or is it limited by something else?

The temperature coefficient algorithm I suggested shouldn't require any additional restarts. You can think of the current firmware as being equivalent to using a tempco of 0%/°C for all of the variables. A non-zero value could be hard- or soft-coded into the firmware. If the tempco being used in the firmware is smaller than the physically accurate value, then the algorithm would converge on a configuration that is nearly optimal for the hottest conditions experienced but suboptimal for the coldest conditions experienced. If the tempco used is higher than the physically accurate value, then optimal for cold conditions but suboptimal for hot. I think it's unlikely that 0%/°C is the optimal value for all of those values, but it's possible that the optimal value is close enough to 0%/°C that it's not worth your time to code it. My quick-and-dirty estimate suggests it would, at least if either PSU heat rejection or thermal throttling is the bottleneck on performance.

You said that temperature didn't make a difference between 25°C and 35°C. I'm curious how you tested that.

P.S.: Can you guys take the rent vs. own argument to another thread, please?

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August 04, 2014, 11:30:30 PM
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The temperature coefficient algorithm I suggested shouldn't require any additional restarts. You can think of the current firmware as being equivalent to using a tempco of 0%/°C for all of the variables. A non-zero value could be hard- or soft-coded into the firmware.

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Why don't you code it up and submit a pull request ?
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The thing I find most surprising is that ST is still pricing the Sept. SP30 machines at $3895 + shipping.  For the same price, I can buy 4+ TH of S3 machines and mine 4 - 5 BTC before the SP30 starts mining. To be competitive, the SP30 should be priced no more than 2.5 BTC

Yea, I'm confused about the pricing as well. I think they must pay a premium in raw materials or pay a shitload of money to get them built or something to have a premium price like that. They need to start ordering cheap ass China materials and build with that, lowering the overall price making the end product more appealing to potential customers. Yea, their rigs are rock solid and made like tanks but in my opinion maybe their purchasing decisions could be a little better.

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The thing I find most surprising is that ST is still pricing the Sept. SP30 machines at $3895 + shipping.  For the same price, I can buy 4+ TH of S3 machines and mine 4 - 5 BTC before the SP30 starts mining. To be competitive, the SP30 should be priced no more than 2.5 BTC

Yea, I'm confused about the pricing as well. I think they must pay a premium in raw materials or pay a shitload of money to get them built or something to have a premium price like that. They need to start ordering cheap ass China materials and build with that, lowering the overall price making the end product more appealing to potential customers. Yea, their rigs are rock solid and made like tanks but in my opinion maybe their purchasing decisions could be a little better.

Simply put, they are over built for a system with an expected lifetime of 6 - 9 months.
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Thank you for letting me know you are the first to reach the limit of 28nm Sha256 engineering.
Thank you again.

RockerBox is certainly not the limit of 28nm SHA256 engineering.
PickAxe our 3rd gen is also 28nm. The fact that we're using exactly the same process means one less production risk for us. We gained a lot from the issue we encountered with the first wafers lots of RockerBox.
I believe that there is still a lot room for improvement.

I would have an interest in buying a PickAxe if you allowed cc or paypal and If you did not do it as a long preorder.  2 weeks or less and  I would be in.

 Same as I asked to use with the sp30 and the sp10  as I still believe you sell the best gear. 

In the same boat, unfortunately SP-Tech wants to keep their sales model as pre-order only. Manufactures have the ability to change that and sell out of stock but choose not to because of the less risk to them. All the risk then shifts to the buyer and we see what happens. Please, don't get me wrong, and from previous posts, I think SP-Tech is probably one of the best makers of mining hardware around and I do look forward and eager to see what is on the horizon and future. I think they did the best they could with what they had and believe me, they didn't like the results and specs of their SP30 just as much as the customer's didn't.

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