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August 20, 2022, 02:30:51 AM
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Remember that Adrien Broner supposedly had a comeback fight against Figueroa?

AB withdraw from that fight citing mental health issues,

Andrien Borner withdrawal in the fight against Omar is really quite sad, because actually I hope that the fight between Andrien Borner and Omar Figueroa will provide an interesting spectacle because after all Andrien Borner is one of the boxers who is quite good and able to win four division titles, but indeed mental problems make someone have to be handled properly and that reason can be a reasonable reason for his resignation, as a substitute fighter I hope that in the ring Sergey Lipinets will be able to put up a strong fight against Omar Figueroa and become an interesting main fight besides the re-fight that I the most waiting for Oleksandr Usyk vs Anthony Joshua.

Sad for who? the boxing fans? I'm not sure if he had one in this boxing community. His antics his trash talking, his brandish style makes casual fans doesn't like this dude. And after Maidana beat his ass, his aura of invincibility is gone, and he become a laughing stock and meme all over the internet. And even if he shows up and win this fight, I don't think he can make a comeback in the 140 lbs and become a factor in that weight class, his best years are over now.

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August 20, 2022, 04:07:57 AM
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Joshua vs Usyk will be happening tomorrow in my time zone and as i looked at the odds, it seems that we have a juicy one for Joshua to win via decision. I know that Joshua's confidence is not so high right now but boy this odds is hard to pass up because i know he can win this rematch just like what he did in their rematch with Ruiz where he did what he needed to do for him to him and my bet ticket won too with an odds of 5.2.

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August 20, 2022, 12:09:53 PM
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Before the fight starts this is what I think and my pick for the Usyk vs. Joshua 2: Rage on the Red Sea event

Oleksandr Usyk VS Anthony Joshua

Stake odds for this match are 1.51 for Usyk while 2.65 for Joshua, it seems that many are favoring Usyk because of their 1st match because there are many that think that Usyk outclassed Anthony Joshua in their first match in the 1st round we can see that Usyk is using faints to check the reaction of Joshua, you can see that Oleksandr Usyk really is a technical fighter, we can see that Oleksandr Usyk got the patient the calculating thoughts to initiate a great set up for Joshua, at 1st I thought that Usyk is a hard puncher that is very reliable of his strength but after watching their fight Usyk is really one step ahead of Anthony Joshua always catching Joshua with a lead right counter punch, so for me, my pick will be Oleksandr Usyk although I really like Anthony Joshua I think that he doesn't stand a chance against Usyk, so Usyk is my pick,

Zhilei Zhang VS Filip Hrgovic

Stake odds for this fight are 1.10 for Hrgovic while 7.60 for Zhang, Another fight that I think I will make my pick was the co-main event for this fight I see that Filip Hrgovic is a knock-out artist for having so much KO/TKO on his records pretty much I can surely say that Filip Hrgovic has the punching power he needs to win in this fight, but this bet is not really profitable at all so I am staying away with the bet,
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August 20, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
Last edit: May 14, 2023, 04:53:57 PM by Eternad
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This odds is indeed juicy because AJ is hungry to get his revenge fight but since this a heavyweight bout. I’m probably more on the KO pick rather than decision because we know that this 2 boxer can give a lethal blow on any round that will cause a KO. I think this is the reason too why the bookmaker is very confident on providing that kind of juicy odds despite of the skills of the player.

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August 21, 2022, 06:39:16 AM
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Nice win for Usyk with 2.95 odds. It was a close one because it's a split decision but I believe Usyk deserves to win that match. The rivalry is now officially over and we have no hype opponent for Fury, so let's see if they'll fight soon.

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August 21, 2022, 07:16:00 AM
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So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.

 
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August 21, 2022, 07:38:55 AM
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Nice win for Usyk with 2.95 odds. It was a close one because it's a split decision but I believe Usyk deserves to win that match. The rivalry is now officially over and we have no hype opponent for Fury, so let's see if they'll fight soon.
Joshua did all he could, but Usyk deserved the win. I feel Usyk did not only win this fight, but he went on to prove that he is a better and stronger boxer than Joshua is, which was hard for Joshua to take, after the fight he went on a strange rant which till now i cannot understand what he was trying to say, i think the burden of losing that match was so much and it got into his head, Joshua is a good fighter, and he was a good champ in his time, but he needs to work harder and develop better to beat the best fighters, else it won't be possible. Usyk v Fury? We will all like to see it happen, hope it does.

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August 21, 2022, 07:49:35 AM
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So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.
The results were quite surprising because as a substitute for Broner, Lipinets actually only had a little time to prepare for the fight, but in fact Lipinets were able to compensate and even fight quite crazy by releasing many heavy blows at Figueroa, I think,  what Figueroa father did was actually true because in the 8th round, Lipinets were really quite brutal with many targeting Figueroa head as a target, so it was clear that Lipinets dominated enough without any resistance from Figueroa who had been stuck at the side of the ring.

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August 21, 2022, 02:17:09 PM
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So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.
The results were quite surprising because as a substitute for Broner, Lipinets actually only had a little time to prepare for the fight, but in fact Lipinets were able to compensate and even fight quite crazy by releasing many heavy blows at Figueroa, I think,  what Figueroa father did was actually true because in the 8th round, Lipinets were really quite brutal with many targeting Figueroa head as a target, so it was clear that Lipinets dominated enough without any resistance from Figueroa who had been stuck at the side of the ring.

It is not surprising because when a boxer is replaced at the last moment, all the training and preparation of the other boxer is wasted.  They (Figueroa) prepare a strategy against Broner but instead got Lipinet at the last moment.  If you remember the last fight of Paquiao the same thing happen, his camp prepare for the fighter replaced by Ugas but got Ugas at the last minute so Pacquiao have trouble adjusting during the fight and lost.
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August 21, 2022, 06:33:08 PM
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The result of the Usyk vs. Joshua 2: Rage on the Red Sea

Oleksandr Usyk VS Anthony Joshua ROUND 12 - DECISION - WIN

Anthony Joshua is using his height and reaches in punishing Usyk, but that up jab from Usyk has surprised Joshua so much, Anthony Joshua might be pushing with a different style this time but it was not enough because Oleksandr Usyk is a calculating fighter, but Anthony Joshua is looking for a knockout win but Usyk is in a safer approached, you can see that with head movement Usyk is always using it, while Joshua doesn't have much head movement for Usyk to expose that, we can see that Joshua now has given a warning for a hammer fist on round 9 Usyk is now feeling those liver punch from Joshua and we can see Usyk running to escape Joshua's punches now on round 10 Usyk made a comeback giving a volume of punches to Joshua a decision win is not for Anthony Joshua he surely needs to Knock Usyk down, and that is his game plan but because of that speed and volume of punches Usyk won the match,

Zhilei Zhang VS Filip Hrgovic ROUND 12 - DECISION - WIN

In this fight, I thought that Zhilei Zhang won it, a knockout in the early rounds great technical punches by Zhang that always capitalize with great strength but that was all in the early rounds because Hrgovic is the one that exceeded the punches in the later rounds and we can see that Zhilei Zhang is now the one that is always being saved by the bell, now and you can see the Fatigue on Zhilei Zhang it was, and on the 12 round, he is surely tired he is now running to the corner just to be safe on Filip Hrgovic punches, on the near time end of the 12th round, he also though because of the early Knockdown he won the fight,
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August 21, 2022, 06:44:59 PM
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It is not surprising because when a boxer is replaced at the last moment, all the training and preparation of the other boxer is wasted.  They (Figueroa) prepare a strategy against Broner but instead got Lipinet at the last moment.  If you remember the last fight of Paquiao the same thing happen, his camp prepare for the fighter replaced by Ugas but got Ugas at the last minute so Pacquiao have trouble adjusting during the fight and lost.
No one expected indeed if Sergey Lipinets could win the fight, no better than from Broner made me doubt if Sergey Lipinets would be able to throw Omar to the floor, especially when I saw the boxing history of Sergey Lipinets who just lost to Jaron Ennis in 2021 but he was able to show great fight yesterday, what you said seems to be true, because while during Omar focused more on anticipating the fighting style and also the weaknesses of Broner, but in the end what he learned before the fight started was in vain after Broner retreated and I think every fighter has different fighting styles and weaknesses as well as Broner and Sergey Lipinets.

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August 21, 2022, 07:32:36 PM
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Zhilei Zhang VS Filip Hrgovic ROUND 12 - DECISION - WIN

In this fight, I thought that Zhilei Zhang won it, a knockout in the early rounds great technical punches by Zhang that always capitalize with great strength but that was all in the early rounds because Hrgovic is the one that exceeded the punches in the later rounds and we can see that Zhilei Zhang is now the one that is always being saved by the bell, now and you can see the Fatigue on Zhilei Zhang it was, and on the 12 round, he is surely tired he is now running to the corner just to be safe on Filip Hrgovic punches, on the near time end of the 12th round, he also though because of the early Knockdown he won the fight,

Not gonna lie, Zhang hit a lot of good punches on Hrgovic during this bout. The problem is, Hrgovic refused to give up and fought until the end. Hrgovic may not have scored a lot of power punches during the bout, but he sure as hell landed a lot of them in Zhang's body. Those jabs and soft punches may have saved Hrgovic on this match up. If only those punches thrown by Zhang had more power in them..

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August 21, 2022, 11:00:58 PM
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So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.
The results were quite surprising because as a substitute for Broner, Lipinets actually only had a little time to prepare for the fight, but in fact Lipinets were able to compensate and even fight quite crazy by releasing many heavy blows at Figueroa, I think,  what Figueroa father did was actually true because in the 8th round, Lipinets were really quite brutal with many targeting Figueroa head as a target, so it was clear that Lipinets dominated enough without any resistance from Figueroa who had been stuck at the side of the ring.

I think it's not surprising at all because the odds favor Lipinets. And if I'm not mistaken, Lipinets is also preparing a fight on the next couple of weeks. So he is already in shape even before being tap as a replacement for AB.

Also, as @lionheart78 has pointed out, sometimes this replacement fighters can really gave big problems on the opposing side because they are not prepared for it.

@DU18 mentioned LIpinets lost to Ennis, Jarod is one of the best prospects in 140-147 lbs.

 
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Not gonna lie, Zhang hit a lot of good punches on Hrgovic during this bout. The problem is, Hrgovic refused to give up and fought until the end. Hrgovic may not have scored a lot of power punches during the bout, but he sure as hell landed a lot of them in Zhang's body. Those jabs and soft punches may have saved Hrgovic on this match up. If only those punches thrown by Zhang had more power in them..

Zhilei Zhang Gas out in the end, and he can not keep up anymore, while Filip Hrgovic, is much patient in landing his punches, but surely even though Zhang was almost at his 40 years his punching power is superb, knocking Hrgovic on the early rounds, but surely it was not enough because Zhilei Zhang has gas out in the near end of the rounds he keeps on gasping for air and even running to the corner when the time ends,
 
Right now on the victory of Oleksandr Usyk against Anthony Joshua, Osyk now wants a fight agaisnt Tyson Fury if Fury wants a match against him, I think that will be one remarkable fight, but against Tyson Fury I would surely go with Fury because of his strength and power, he could eventually Knock Usyk fast,

Next upcoming event on boxing that I think many are anticipating are

Sept 4: Los Angeles Andy Ruiz Jr. VS Luis Ortiz

Sept 17: Las Vegas  Canelo Alvarez vs. Gennadiy Golovkin

Oct. 15: Melbourne, Australia Devin Haney vs. George Kambosos Jr.

Oct. 15: Brooklyn Deontay Wilder vs. Robert Helenius

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So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.
The results were quite surprising because as a substitute for Broner, Lipinets actually only had a little time to prepare for the fight, but in fact Lipinets were able to compensate and even fight quite crazy by releasing many heavy blows at Figueroa, I think,  what Figueroa father did was actually true because in the 8th round, Lipinets were really quite brutal with many targeting Figueroa head as a target, so it was clear that Lipinets dominated enough without any resistance from Figueroa who had been stuck at the side of the ring.

It is not surprising because when a boxer is replaced at the last moment, all the training and preparation of the other boxer is wasted.  They (Figueroa) prepare a strategy against Broner but instead got Lipinet at the last moment.  If you remember the last fight of Paquiao the same thing happen, his camp prepare for the fighter replaced by Ugas but got Ugas at the last minute so Pacquiao have trouble adjusting during the fight and lost.

The same situation with Ancajas because he originally prepared for a title defense fight against Kazuto Ioka but was replaced last minute by Fernando Martinez and Ancajas ultimately lost the title he held for quite a long time. These instances can't be predicted because the original boxer wanted to participate in the fight but an issue surfaced later on which resulted in a need for a substitute just like this time.


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August 22, 2022, 06:23:29 PM
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So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.
The results were quite surprising because as a substitute for Broner, Lipinets actually only had a little time to prepare for the fight, but in fact Lipinets were able to compensate and even fight quite crazy by releasing many heavy blows at Figueroa, I think,  what Figueroa father did was actually true because in the 8th round, Lipinets were really quite brutal with many targeting Figueroa head as a target, so it was clear that Lipinets dominated enough without any resistance from Figueroa who had been stuck at the side of the ring.

I think it's not surprising at all because the odds favor Lipinets. And if I'm not mistaken, Lipinets is also preparing a fight on the next couple of weeks. So he is already in shape even before being tap as a replacement for AB.

Also, as @lionheart78 has pointed out, sometimes this replacement fighters can really gave big problems on the opposing side because they are not prepared for it.

@DU18 mentioned LIpinets lost to Ennis, Jarod is one of the best prospects in 140-147 lbs.

Yup, Lipinets has the advantage needed to win and defeat Omar because he have already trained for this fight in about weeks or months even before he was called to sub for Broner while on the other hand, the latter is still blinded and was preparing for Broner because he and his camp didn't expected that Broner would withdraw last minute.

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August 22, 2022, 08:14:37 PM
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So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.
The results were quite surprising because as a substitute for Broner, Lipinets actually only had a little time to prepare for the fight, but in fact Lipinets were able to compensate and even fight quite crazy by releasing many heavy blows at Figueroa, I think,  what Figueroa father did was actually true because in the 8th round, Lipinets were really quite brutal with many targeting Figueroa head as a target, so it was clear that Lipinets dominated enough without any resistance from Figueroa who had been stuck at the side of the ring.

I think it's not surprising at all because the odds favor Lipinets. And if I'm not mistaken, Lipinets is also preparing a fight on the next couple of weeks. So he is already in shape even before being tap as a replacement for AB.

Also, as @lionheart78 has pointed out, sometimes this replacement fighters can really gave big problems on the opposing side because they are not prepared for it.

@DU18 mentioned LIpinets lost to Ennis, Jarod is one of the best prospects in 140-147 lbs.

Yup, Lipinets has the advantage needed to win and defeat Omar because he have already trained for this fight in about weeks or months even before he was called to sub for Broner while on the other hand, the latter is still blinded and was preparing for Broner because he and his camp didn't expected that Broner would withdraw last minute.

And that is why Figueroa was really mad at Broner for pulling out at the last minutes because his preparations have been ruined. Anyhow, both Figueroa and Broner are past their primes to either way it's going to be a boring fight for boxing fans. This is Figueroa's last fight probably or if he continues to fight, he will be just the fighting for the money or just a stepping stone for young fighters. for Broner, not sure if he has contract or something with PBC or Showtime, but we might see the same, just 1 or 2 fights for him assuming he can get over his mental issues and then he is done with boxing.

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August 22, 2022, 10:37:32 PM
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The same situation with Ancajas because he originally prepared for a title defense fight against Kazuto Ioka but was replaced last minute by Fernando Martinez and Ancajas ultimately lost the title he held for quite a long time. These instances can't be predicted because the original boxer wanted to participate in the fight but an issue surfaced later on which resulted in a need for a substitute just like this time.

Even if there's no sudden replacement, Jerwin Ancajas might probably still lose that supposed original fight.

The reason is very clear and it was stated by his team. Ancajas is not in good shape because of his hard training to catch the required weight. That resulted in him not performing on his usual and Ioka might take that as an advantage.

As I read on some reports, that's the focus now of Ancajas camp as they are really preparing seriously to get a win on a rematch against Martinez.
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August 22, 2022, 11:20:45 PM
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So the replacement of Broner won the fight against Omar Figueroa, not sure if fans have bet on this fight, but I totally skip this one. Lipinets stop Figueroa, his corner and father wave the white flag and ask the referee to stop the fight as his son is taking too much punishment in the hands of Lipinets. He also drops Omar in the second round. Not sure though is this win will have a bearing in the 140 lbs. Possible that Lopez who won over Campa can fight Lipinets as another step up fight for him to be "legitimate" 140 lbs contender, so lets's see.
The results were quite surprising because as a substitute for Broner, Lipinets actually only had a little time to prepare for the fight, but in fact Lipinets were able to compensate and even fight quite crazy by releasing many heavy blows at Figueroa, I think,  what Figueroa father did was actually true because in the 8th round, Lipinets were really quite brutal with many targeting Figueroa head as a target, so it was clear that Lipinets dominated enough without any resistance from Figueroa who had been stuck at the side of the ring.

I think it's not surprising at all because the odds favor Lipinets. And if I'm not mistaken, Lipinets is also preparing a fight on the next couple of weeks. So he is already in shape even before being tap as a replacement for AB.

Also, as @lionheart78 has pointed out, sometimes this replacement fighters can really gave big problems on the opposing side because they are not prepared for it.

@DU18 mentioned LIpinets lost to Ennis, Jarod is one of the best prospects in 140-147 lbs.

Yup, Lipinets has the advantage needed to win and defeat Omar because he have already trained for this fight in about weeks or months even before he was called to sub for Broner while on the other hand, the latter is still blinded and was preparing for Broner because he and his camp didn't expected that Broner would withdraw last minute.

And that is why Figueroa was really mad at Broner for pulling out at the last minutes because his preparations have been ruined. Anyhow, both Figueroa and Broner are past their primes to either way it's going to be a boring fight for boxing fans. This is Figueroa's last fight probably or if he continues to fight, he will be just the fighting for the money or just a stepping stone for young fighters. for Broner, not sure if he has contract or something with PBC or Showtime, but we might see the same, just 1 or 2 fights for him assuming he can get over his mental issues and then he is done with boxing.

Omar confirmed that he will be retiring from boxing,

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“I’m very disappointed about the outcome,” Figueroa said. “My team and I worked so hard during this training camp. My body has reached its limit. I’ve been doing this for 27 years and my body has finally said enough. I’m just sorry I’ve disappointed the fans. The change of opponents didn’t affect me. I think I’ve reached the end of the line here in boxing. It occupied my life for 27 years. My body just gave up. It didn’t respond.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/figueroa-ive-doing-this-27-years-my-body-finally-said-enough--168526

At least he realizes that he can't pull the trigger anymore and that his body is telling him to not fight anymore. He just had a daughter born to that's good if he will just enjoy his life with his family and hopefully he had save enough money to live a good life. And he mentioned about his mental issues as well, (bipolar) and he was able to overcome it.

 
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August 22, 2022, 11:45:33 PM
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The same situation with Ancajas because he originally prepared for a title defense fight against Kazuto Ioka but was replaced last minute by Fernando Martinez and Ancajas ultimately lost the title he held for quite a long time. These instances can't be predicted because the original boxer wanted to participate in the fight but an issue surfaced later on which resulted in a need for a substitute just like this time.

Even if there's no sudden replacement, Jerwin Ancajas might probably still lose that supposed original fight.

The reason is very clear and it was stated by his team. Ancajas is not in good shape because of his hard training to catch the required weight. That resulted in him not performing on his usual and Ioka might take that as an advantage.

As I read on some reports, that's the focus now of Ancajas camp as they are really preparing seriously to get a win on a rematch against Martinez.

i can agree with you here. it doesn't matter who the opponent is, as long as he is prepared for the fight, he can win. because a legend in the making can accept any opponent that will challenge his belt no matter the circumstances are presented to him. so if their camp was saying he was in no shape, then he really was, as seen from the match also. now that he tasted defeat, it will be his motivation to redeem himself.

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