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Thank you for acknowledging that Ukraine didn't implement those two points. Words have meanings, you should look up differences between "impossible" and "undesirable"!
1) "did Ukraine abide by the Minsk agreements from 2014 until 2022?" -> "Of course, they did." 2) "This point was not fulfilled by Russia. It was impossible to accomplish anything else with Russia."
That is objectively called lying! You're not going to raise any support by lying! You can't expect anyone with half a brain to fall for such cheap trick! You can finger point all day long, explain how they weren't fair, or provide reasons why Ukraine didn't implementing Minsk agreements by blaming DPR/LPR not implementing other points first, that's all fine, but what you cannot do is fool people by saying that Ukraine implemented Minsk agreements. That's just a lie, you ruin any credibility you've had by claiming such nonsense, and trying to make idiots out of the readers! ..
I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE. This is public information, there is nothing new in what I am saying and you are simply looking at one side with absolute disregard for any element of balance or equanimity in the information provided. Minsk II it was a manoeuvre by Adolf Putin to pat the back of Macron and let him think he was on the path to the Nobel Peace Price. No wonder Adolf Putin considered that Europe would not do anything. RE credibility and taking people for fools, you need now to answer a few questions: 1) Did Adolf Putin's RF respect THEIR side of the agreement? 2) The RF is justified on an attempt to a full invasion of Ukraine because the treaty was, in your view, not respected by Ukraine? Is that your idea of proportionality? 3) If so, would not now an full scale invasion of the RF be justified by Adolf Putin's actions? You should not try to play this cheap and accuse when anyone can learn about the fact even with a minimum search. No wonder you are defending this war of aggression and the mass killings. Following reports of Ukrainian positions being shelled from the Russian side of the border, between 22 and 25 August 2014, Russian artillery, personnel, and what Russia called a "humanitarian convoy" crossed the border. Russian crossings reportedly occurred both in areas that were controlled by pro-Russian forces and those that were not, such as the south-eastern part of Donetsk Oblast, near Novoazovsk.[42][43] The Head of the Security Service of Ukraine, Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, called the events of 22 August a "direct invasion by Russia of Ukraine" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas#cite_note-53The Minsk II deal set out military and political steps that remain unimplemented. A major blockage has been Russia’s insistence that it is not a party to the conflict and therefore is not bound by its terms. In general, Moscow and Kyiv interpret the pact very differently, leading to what has been dubbed by some observers as the “Minsk conundrum”. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/9/what-is-the-minsk-agreement-and-why-is-it-relevant-nowThe agreement contains a timeline for implementation but no binding mechanism, though certain elements—for example, promises to respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine, efforts by France and Germany to help restore financial links with the separatist territories, and promises to continue trilateral dialogue between the EU, Ukraine, and Russia as well as the Normandy-format discussions—are quite important from a technical perspective. https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/59059
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE.
Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917.
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE.
Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917. I think that there is plenty of Ukraine and that, even with just the assets that can be taken from Adolf Putin, his family and the plutocrats it could become a great country to live and work in. The billions in London and NY flats, the gold reserves that are outside Russia, the immense asset base that all the plutocrats have all around Europe... You can move your yatch, but you cannot move your villas in Spain, you flats in London, your gold in the US.... You cannot move your planes unless you want the confiscated, you cannot sell your shares,... More than enough for a fair war compensations. It will be an epically "Karma" situation that the wealth stolen by the Plutocrats and Adolf Putin from the RF people end up as schools, hospitals, road and bridges all shiny and new right across the border and protected by a NATO treaty.
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE.
Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917. I think that there is plenty of Ukraine and that, even with just the assets that can be taken from Adolf Putin, his family and the plutocrats it could become a great country to live and work in. The billions in London and NY flats, the gold reserves that are outside Russia, the immense asset base that all the plutocrats have all around Europe... You can move your yatch, but you cannot move your villas in Spain, you flats in London, your gold in the US.... You cannot move your planes unless you want the confiscated, you cannot sell your shares,... More than enough for a fair war compensations. It will be an epically "Karma" situation that the wealth stolen by the Plutocrats and Adolf Putin from the RF people end up as schools, hospitals, road and bridges all shiny and new right across the border and protected by a NATO treaty. Yup, west will "help" them as much as it "helped" Kurds, Libyans, Syrians, etc...there's no chance that they ever see any of those money I suggest you to read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE.
Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917. I think that there is plenty of Ukraine and that, even with just the assets that can be taken from Adolf Putin, his family and the plutocrats it could become a great country to live and work in. The billions in London and NY flats, the gold reserves that are outside Russia, the immense asset base that all the plutocrats have all around Europe... You can move your yatch, but you cannot move your villas in Spain, you flats in London, your gold in the US.... You cannot move your planes unless you want the confiscated, you cannot sell your shares,... More than enough for a fair war compensations. It will be an epically "Karma" situation that the wealth stolen by the Plutocrats and Adolf Putin from the RF people end up as schools, hospitals, road and bridges all shiny and new right across the border and protected by a NATO treaty. Yup, west will "help" them as much as it "helped" Kurds, Libyans, Syrians, etc...there's no chance that they ever see any of those money I suggest you to read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081Western help has ruined many countries like Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. These countries will take decades return to where they were before western forces came in to help them. I don't see an early end of Ukraine war, all major world powers have created enough mess in this beautiful country which used to hub of food supply for the whole world. I am afraid we may face serious food crisis if this war continues.
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BTW, I'm a bit confused by wheat shortage...Ukraine is producing 24 out of 750 million tonnes of world production...that is around 3%... how can such tiny number have such big influence on price
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BTW, I'm a bit confused by wheat shortage...Ukraine is producing 24 out of 750 million tonnes of world production...that is around 3%... how can such tiny number have such big influence on price
By itself, this figure is within the limits of natural fluctuations from year to year. But it looks like 2022 has decided to compete for the title of the year of the perfect storm, because in France there is a two-month drought, in India there is a drought and abnormal heat, and Russia expects a record harvest, but prudently limited the export of wheat to unfriendly countries. As a result, the Ukrainian three percent has increased to double digits and this is already causing serious concern on a global scale. Especially when you consider that wheat is not only spaghetti and bread, but also the basis for animal feed. Well, the human factor has not been canceled, let me remind you that the oil crisis in the 70s of the last century was caused by a real decrease in oil supplies from the Middle East by only 7%, and the rest was done by expectations and fears. The main thing is not to lose heart. Poland's deputy climate minister is advising Poles to gather firewood in the forest to keep their homes warm in the winter amid rising fuel prices.
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE.
Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917. I think that there is plenty of Ukraine and that, even with just the assets that can be taken from Adolf Putin, his family and the plutocrats it could become a great country to live and work in. The billions in London and NY flats, the gold reserves that are outside Russia, the immense asset base that all the plutocrats have all around Europe... You can move your yatch, but you cannot move your villas in Spain, you flats in London, your gold in the US.... You cannot move your planes unless you want the confiscated, you cannot sell your shares,... More than enough for a fair war compensations. It will be an epically "Karma" situation that the wealth stolen by the Plutocrats and Adolf Putin from the RF people end up as schools, hospitals, road and bridges all shiny and new right across the border and protected by a NATO treaty. Yup, west will "help" them as much as it "helped" Kurds, Libyans, Syrians, etc...there's no chance that they ever see any of those money I suggest you to read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081Western help has ruined many countries like Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. These countries will take decades return to where they were before western forces came in to help them. I don't see an early end of Ukraine war, all major world powers have created enough mess in this beautiful country which used to hub of food supply for the whole world. I am afraid we may face serious food crisis if this war continues. It was wrong for the US to invade Iraq, there was no justification. Kuwait war was justified IMHO because they were defending it against the Iraq invasion. Afghanistan was another mistake. Going after Bin Laden is one thing, but building democracy in this region? Not sure I followed that logic. As for Syria, well, there was ISIS which was a threat to the whole world, so I think both the US and Russia were justified in crushing them. As for this current war, other than just a land grab I see no other justification. Historical revisionism at its best. All the talk about NATO expansion, 'denazification', 'demilitarization', and 'genocide of the Russian peoples' are just empty propaganda points. This war started with the aggression, occupation, and annexation of Crimea in Feb 2014. Followed up by the Russian invasion of Donbas in March 2014. Putin sells this war as a defensive war against the 'Russian peoples' but it is a war of conquest, plain and simple. There were no Russian people in Ukraine before 2014. Just because someone speaks Russian as their first language, it does not make him Russian. Many Canadians speak North American English but are not Americans, or speak French, yet are not French, they are Canadians. The same goes for Russian-speaking Ukrainians. They are Ukrainians. Many became Russians, no doubt. But to bomb and level the country? How nuts does someone has to be? Nazism or more precisely imperialism 101. I think Russia poke the wrong wolverine. They will have their ass handed to them. Sooner or later. It will be 100 times worse for them than Afghanistan and in the end, they will go home empty-handed.
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As for this current war, other than just a land grab I see no other justification. Historical revisionism at its best. All the talk about NATO expansion, 'denazification', 'demilitarization', and 'genocide of the Russian peoples' are just empty propaganda points.
This war started with the aggression, occupation, and annexation of Crimea in Feb 2014. Followed up by the Russian invasion of Donbas in March 2014.
Putin sells this war as a defensive war against the 'Russian peoples' but it is a war of conquest, plain and simple. There were no Russian people in Ukraine before 2014.
Just because someone speaks Russian as their first language, it does not make him Russian. Many Canadians speak North American English but are not Americans, or speak French, yet are not French, they are Canadians. The same goes for Russian-speaking Ukrainians. They are Ukrainians. Many became Russians, no doubt. But to bomb and level the country? How nuts does someone has to be?
Nazism or more precisely imperialism 101. I think Russia poke the wrong wolverine. They will have their ass handed to them. Sooner or later. It will be 100 times worse for them than Afghanistan and in the end, they will go home empty-handed.
I note that Ukraine itself is actively pushing Russian-speaking Ukrainians to become Russian. Ukraine stopped paying pensions to residents of Donbass, Ukraine cut off water to residents of Crimea after the referendum, Ukraine turned off the Internet and cellular communications for residents of the Kherson region, etc. Imagine that your mobile phone has stopped working and now you need a Russian SIM card, which can only be obtained with a Russian passport, which is issued according to a simplified scheme right next to a mobile phone shop. Of course, many of the townsfolk in such circumstances made their choice in favor of Russia and I cannot blame them for their lack of patriotism. This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which does not climb into any gates. If Russian-speaking Ukrainians live there, why the fuck are you shooting at them?
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... Sooner or later. It will be 100 times worse for them than Afghanistan and in the end, they will go home empty-handed.
Logic dictates that if Russia just wanted some easy resource there would be a ton of other places which would make a lot more sense. IIRC, they were in Khazakstan less than a year ago to re-seat some WEF favorite after he had the great idea to not allow un-vaxxed into banks to get their money and was headed for safety out of the place in a private jet the next day. That coincided with a world-wide loss of appetite for heavily coerced injections among the leaderships funny enough. Likely temporary until some more ducks are in a row though. (Parenthetically, it's crap like that which makes me pretty suspicious about 'Young Global Leader' Putin when Klaus Schwab brags up that Putin is one of his brood.) Ukraine had, on paper at least, a formidable military and good defensive infrastructure by world standards. Not exactly 'low hanging fruit'. Russia would have had a much better time of it just taking care of unfinished business in Georgia and that sort of thing if he was bent on theft and conquest. Maybe he's just getting to it. Wouldn't surprise me.
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As for this current war, other than just a land grab I see no other justification. Historical revisionism at its best. All the talk about NATO expansion, 'denazification', 'demilitarization', and 'genocide of the Russian peoples' are just empty propaganda points.
This war started with the aggression, occupation, and annexation of Crimea in Feb 2014. Followed up by the Russian invasion of Donbas in March 2014.
Putin sells this war as a defensive war against the 'Russian peoples' but it is a war of conquest, plain and simple. There were no Russian people in Ukraine before 2014.
Just because someone speaks Russian as their first language, it does not make him Russian. Many Canadians speak North American English but are not Americans, or speak French, yet are not French, they are Canadians. The same goes for Russian-speaking Ukrainians. They are Ukrainians. Many became Russians, no doubt. But to bomb and level the country? How nuts does someone has to be?
Nazism or more precisely imperialism 101. I think Russia poke the wrong wolverine. They will have their ass handed to them. Sooner or later. It will be 100 times worse for them than Afghanistan and in the end, they will go home empty-handed.
I note that Ukraine itself is actively pushing Russian-speaking Ukrainians to become Russian. Ukraine stopped paying pensions to residents of Donbass, Ukraine cut off water to residents of Crimea after the referendum, Ukraine turned off the Internet and cellular communications for residents of the Kherson region, etc. Imagine that your mobile phone has stopped working and now you need a Russian SIM card, which can only be obtained with a Russian passport, which is issued according to a simplified scheme right next to a mobile phone shop. Of course, many of the townsfolk in such circumstances made their choice in favor of Russia and I cannot blame them for their lack of patriotism. This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which does not climb into any gates. If Russian-speaking Ukrainians live there, why the fuck are you shooting at them? re: Ukraine itself is actively pushing Russian-speaking Ukrainians to become RussianIt is Russia that is giving Russian passports to anyone who speaks Russian, willy-nilly. re: Ukraine cut off water to residents of Crimea after the referendumAfter Russia annexed its territory re: Ukraine turned off the Internet and cellular communications for residents of the Kherson regionIt was Russia who did that since they control the area. They are forcing people to use Rubles and Russian cell operators. They are trying to annex Kherson to Russia, forcing people to get Russian passports. Why would Ukraine want Kherson residents to leave Ukraine? What are you saying? re: many of the townsfolk in such circumstances made their choice in favor of Russia You favor your kidnappers when you want to live. re: This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of UkraineUkrainian army shelled Russian positions in response to attacks on their positions. re: If Russian-speaking Ukrainians live there, why the fuck are you shooting at them?Because the Russian FSB and military were shooting at the Ukrainian army. Remove all Russian military from Ukraine and shooting will stop. Why did you come in the first place? Why the fuck did you come to Crimea THEN Donbas in 2014? It is time for you to go home.
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re: This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ukrainian army shelled Russian positions in response to attacks on their positions.
Ukraine is methodically shelling the residential areas of Donetsk, where there are no Russian positions and there were just peaceful people living there. Even when Russia bombarded Kyiv with cruise missiles in response to the recent shelling of Donetsk, the factory workshops where tanks were being repaired were hit. It is time for you to go home.
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... Sooner or later. It will be 100 times worse for them than Afghanistan and in the end, they will go home empty-handed.
Logic dictates that if Russia just wanted some easy resource there would be a ton of other places which would make a lot more sense. IIRC, they were in Khazakstan less than a year ago to re-seat some WEF favorite after he had the great idea to not allow un-vaxxed into banks to get their money and was headed for safety out of the place in a private jet the next day. That coincided with a world-wide loss of appetite for heavily coerced injections among the leaderships funny enough. Likely temporary until some more ducks are in a row though. (Parenthetically, it's crap like that which makes me pretty suspicious about 'Young Global Leader' Putin when Klaus Schwab brags up that Putin is one of his brood.) Ukraine had, on paper at least, a formidable military and good defensive infrastructure by world standards. Not exactly 'low hanging fruit'. Russia would have had a much better time of it just taking care of unfinished business in Georgia and that sort of thing if he was bent on theft and conquest. Maybe he's just getting to it. Wouldn't surprise me. Control of the Black Sea and fertile farmlands in Eastern Ukraine nevermind coal and natural gas, they have plenty of those. Ukraine is a large strategic piece of land that creates a military buffer zone between the south-west and west. That is why Russia wants to exterminate 40+ million people and destroy and then rebuild the area. Erase Ukrainian culture and replace it with Russian culture. That is the plan. It is clearly visible in how they proceed in the occupied territories. Any visible signs of Ukrainian culture are being erased. Putin and his acolytes are hellbent on exterminating Ukrainians and creating more lebensraum for the Russian military.
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re: This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ukrainian army shelled Russian positions in response to attacks on their positions.
Ukraine is methodically shelling the residential areas of Donetsk, where there are no Russian positions and there were just peaceful people living there. Even when Russia bombarded Kyiv with cruise missiles in response to the recent shelling of Donetsk, the factory workshops where tanks were being repaired were hit. Methodically? Jesus, you need to stop watching whatever you are watching. Donetsk does not know there is/was a war in Ukraine. Have you seen pictures of Donetsk and Mariupol? Compare pictures of both cities from 2021 and now. Which one looks like it was bombed? It is time for you to go home.
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re: This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ukrainian army shelled Russian positions in response to attacks on their positions.
Ukraine is methodically shelling the residential areas of Donetsk, where there are no Russian positions and there were just peaceful people living there. Even when Russia bombarded Kyiv with cruise missiles in response to the recent shelling of Donetsk, the factory workshops where tanks were being repaired were hit. Methodically? Jesus, you need to stop watching whatever you are watching. Donetsk does not know there is/was a war in Ukraine. Have you seen pictures of Donetsk and Mariupol? Which one looks like it was bombed? What's wrong with Mariupol? Maybe release 2,500 Azov Nazis from captivity and award them with medals for military prowess? Ukraine would shell Donetsk on a larger scale if it could. But it can’t, because it doesn’t shoot from stationary positions, but in the run-shot-ran mode, because if you stand still for a long time, ten shells will fly in response to each projectile. Cowardly killers, you can only fight civilians.
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re: This is not to mention the regular shelling of residential areas of Donetsk by the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ukrainian army shelled Russian positions in response to attacks on their positions.
Ukraine is methodically shelling the residential areas of Donetsk, where there are no Russian positions and there were just peaceful people living there. Even when Russia bombarded Kyiv with cruise missiles in response to the recent shelling of Donetsk, the factory workshops where tanks were being repaired were hit. Methodically? Jesus, you need to stop watching whatever you are watching. Donetsk does not know there is/was a war in Ukraine. Have you seen pictures of Donetsk and Mariupol? Which one looks like it was bombed? What's wrong with Mariupol? Maybe release 2,500 Azov Nazis from captivity and award them with medals for military prowess? Ukraine would shell Donetsk on a larger scale if it could. But it can’t, because it doesn’t shoot from stationary positions, but in the run-shot-ran mode, because if you stand still for a long time, ten shells will fly in response to each projectile. Cowardly killers, you can only fight civilians. Ok, now I know you don't know much about what is happening in Ukraine.
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... Ukraine is a large strategic piece of land that creates a military buffer zone between the south-west and west. That is why Russia wants to exterminate 40+ million people and destroy and then rebuild the area. Erase Ukrainian culture and replace it with Russian culture. That is the plan. ...
Since there is no credible evidence for this even though they have already a ton of opportunities, it's pretty clearly a 'plan' that originates in your own fever-dream mind mostly. With help from psychological operations targeting your caliber of person of course. Actually I kind of doubt that even you really believe very much of the BS you've been spouting, but whether or not it's not of much consequence.
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... Ukraine is a large strategic piece of land that creates a military buffer zone between the south-west and west. That is why Russia wants to exterminate 40+ million people and destroy and then rebuild the area. Erase Ukrainian culture and replace it with Russian culture. That is the plan. ...
Since there is no credible evidence for this even though they have already a ton of opportunities, it's pretty clearly a 'plan' that originates in your own fever-dream mind mostly. With help from psychological operations targeting your caliber of person of course. Actually I kind of doubt that even you really believe very much of the BS you've been spouting, but whether or not it's not of much consequence. Here's a summary of this report. I know, I know, it's not Russian propaganda or written by big time youtube conspiracy theorists so you will just dismiss it and attempt to appear more intelligent than anyone who relies on experts and journalists rather than youtube conspiratards. I'll post it anyway. Russia is responsible for inciting genocide and perpetrating atrocities that show an “intent to destroy” the Ukrainian people, a new legal analysis signed by more than 30 independent experts concluded.
The report, published Friday by the Washington-based New Lines Institute for Strategy and Policy and the Montreal-based Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights, also concludes that there is “serious risk of genocide in Ukraine,” and that states have a legal obligation to prevent genocide from occurring.
It cited denials from high-level Russian officials and state media commentators of the existence of a distinct Ukrainian identity, and dehumanizing claims that Ukrainians are Nazis and “are therefore deserving of punishment.” The report also points to Russian authorities’ rewarding soldiers suspected of mass killings in Ukraine, among other evidence.
“The purveyors of incitement propaganda are all highly influential political, religious and State-run media figures, including President Putin,” the report says. “There is mounting evidence that Russian soldiers have internalized and are responding to the State propaganda campaign by echoing its content while committing atrocities.”
Genocide, often seen as the ultimate crime, has a precise legal definition: “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.”
The joint report Friday included input from about three dozen experts on genocide and international law, including several former ambassadors and others who were involved in the creation and proceedings of international criminal tribunals.
Their analysis pointed to a genocidal pattern of Russian forces’ targeting of Ukrainian civilians, including evidence of mass executions and torture of civilians in areas that were occupied by Russian forces, such as the Kyiv suburb of Bucha, as well as deliberate attacks on shelters, evacuation routes and humanitarian corridors; sieges of Ukrainian cities; and indiscriminate bombing of residential areas. The report also cited sexual violence and reports of the forcible deportation of Ukrainians to Russia. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/27/genocide-ukraine-russia-analysis/
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE.
Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917. I think that there is plenty of Ukraine and that, even with just the assets that can be taken from Adolf Putin, his family and the plutocrats it could become a great country to live and work in. The billions in London and NY flats, the gold reserves that are outside Russia, the immense asset base that all the plutocrats have all around Europe... You can move your yatch, but you cannot move your villas in Spain, you flats in London, your gold in the US.... You cannot move your planes unless you want the confiscated, you cannot sell your shares,... More than enough for a fair war compensations. It will be an epically "Karma" situation that the wealth stolen by the Plutocrats and Adolf Putin from the RF people end up as schools, hospitals, road and bridges all shiny and new right across the border and protected by a NATO treaty. Yup, west will "help" them as much as it "helped" Kurds, Libyans, Syrians, etc...there's no chance that they ever see any of those money I suggest you to read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081Are you aware of what it means to be accepted into the EU? It immediately triggers a number of large aid packages for any region that is below the average wealth, income or employment. I am no fool, this comes with strings attached, but it would be in Ukraine's hands to make good use of these resources and become a marvellous place in the next decade with growth and thriving cultural life. I recommend you to read this web page (it is shorter and TBH less expensive than the book you mention) https://ec.europa.eu/info/research-and-innovation/funding/funding-opportunities/funding-programmes-and-open-calls_enHorizon Europe Health Programme Cohesion Fund Environment and climate action (LIFE) European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) Structural Reform Support Programme (SRSP) European Structural and Investment Funds (ESIF) Research Fund for Coal and Steel (RFCS) Do you wonder why Ukraine would rather show the middle finger to Adolf Putin now? But, particularly, since Adolf Putin is making such an effort on getting RF assets (and his own) frozen, there may be extra support on the ground of "war reparations"... why not? It is not like if Europe is going to ask the RF any favours in the future IMHO.
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I am saying that I consider the treaty signed under threats and it was never fully followed by ANYONE.
Now it doesn't matter, forget about the Minsk agreements, they have lost their relevance. There are two types of people, some in a difficult situation ask "What to do?", while others ask "Who is to blame?". I urge you not to engage in fruitless searches on whom to blame for what happened, this is an infantile position in life. It is wiser and more productive to actively look for a way out of the current situation, and not the reasons for getting into it. It will take about the same amount of force, but the result will be significantly different. Now Ukraine is facing an incredibly difficult challenge associated with the complete loss of its statehood - that's what you should focus on! Otherwise, there will be no Ukraine soon, as it did not exist before 1917. I think that there is plenty of Ukraine and that, even with just the assets that can be taken from Adolf Putin, his family and the plutocrats it could become a great country to live and work in. The billions in London and NY flats, the gold reserves that are outside Russia, the immense asset base that all the plutocrats have all around Europe... You can move your yatch, but you cannot move your villas in Spain, you flats in London, your gold in the US.... You cannot move your planes unless you want the confiscated, you cannot sell your shares,... More than enough for a fair war compensations. It will be an epically "Karma" situation that the wealth stolen by the Plutocrats and Adolf Putin from the RF people end up as schools, hospitals, road and bridges all shiny and new right across the border and protected by a NATO treaty. Yup, west will "help" them as much as it "helped" Kurds, Libyans, Syrians, etc...there's no chance that they ever see any of those money I suggest you to read this book: https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hit-John-Perkins/dp/0452287081Are you aware of what it means to be accepted into the EU? It immediately triggers a number of large aid packages for any region that is below the average wealth, income or employment. I am no fool, this comes with strings attached, but it would be in Ukraine's hands to make good use of these resources and become a marvellous place in the next decade with growth and thriving cultural life. I recommend you to read this web page (it is shorter and TBH less expensive than the book you mention) https://ec.europa.eu/info/research-and-innovation/funding/funding-opportunities/funding-programmes-and-open-calls_enHorizon Europe Health Programme Cohesion Fund Environment and climate action (LIFE) European Regional Development Fund (ERDF) Structural Reform Support Programme (SRSP) European Structural and Investment Funds (ESIF) Research Fund for Coal and Steel (RFCS) Do you wonder why Ukraine would rather show the middle finger to Adolf Putin now? But, particularly, since Adolf Putin is making such an effort on getting RF assets (and his own) frozen, there may be extra support on the ground of "war reparations"... why not? It is not like if Europe is going to ask the RF any favours in the future IMHO. Do you think that Russia leaves the Ukrainian aid packages alone as they conquer more and more of the Ukraine? Heck no! They gobble up the material wealth of Ukraine as they roll over her. It won't be enough to make up for the sanctions, but it's a start. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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