Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[Branko]

Again and again your favourite topic. Seriously when are you going to read today's news??

To the bet, how do you propose to find out who won the bet? I am guessing you intend to use one of your "sources"?

Meanwhile Ukraine has shut the oil pipe that was supplying Ruzzian oil to Hungary. Orban may be under a little bit of pressure now I am guessing.

That's very wise move by Ukraine, who get 42% of its electricity from Hungary...simply brilliant

https://www.reuters.com/world/hungary-slovakia-ask-european-commission-mediate-with-ukraine-over-lukoil-2024-07-22/

[paxmao]

Again and again your favourite topic. Seriously when are you going to read today's news??

To the bet, how do you propose to find out who won the bet? I am guessing you intend to use one of your "sources"?

I propose we get an independent third party to hold the bet, and that party should make a judgement call once Germany officially releases its findings and conclusions, if "RF has destroyed the Nord Streams". How do you propose we do it?

I do not trust a report from Germany, they have their interests and may want to recover the costs, which will never happen if they say it was Ruzzia. Any other brilliant idea or are you finally going to understand that there will probably never be a convincing evidence of who and why?

If your read my posts I usually "likely" or "I believe"... far different from asserting.

  you funny, let's try it again big man.

How much do you want to bet and how do you propose we settle the bet on your claim that "RF has destroyed the Nord Streams".

Simple question no?

I am not sure of what you find funny or not - not that I care.

Please, read what's written: It is not possible to settle that claim. There is a reason why secret ops are called secret.

There may be circumstantial evidence, a suspicion here or there or those newspaper articles you like to link... but a picture of the guy setting the bomb wearing full Ruzzian camouflage with a check signed by Vladimir or whatever... that's not going to be there. There may be a degree of "evidence" but nothing conclusive. I think that I cannot say anything more clearly.

However my offer remains open...would you like to go over some of your past claims? They may be much easier to fact check?

Meanwhile, I hope you do not need to refill your tank in Hungary. I think Ukraine if giving them a taste of what means to be out of the EU's umbrella.

How it started:
Please, state your bet. And make sure it is about something I have said little liar.

Whats funny is how you're trying to wiggle your way out of this. So now you're saying that there's no independent third party you would trust to make a binary judgement call on your claims? What do you think your claims are worth after this?

There is nothing more to say about this. There is no way of settling a result on the bet you propose.

But, again, we can go over all the statements you have made on this thread and choose something that can be easily fact-checked. Or are you trying to wiggle your way out of everything you have written here?

Again and again your favourite topic. Seriously when are you going to read today's news??

To the bet, how do you propose to find out who won the bet? I am guessing you intend to use one of your "sources"?

Meanwhile Ukraine has shut the oil pipe that was supplying Ruzzian oil to Hungary. Orban may be under a little bit of pressure now I am guessing.

That's very wise move by Ukraine, who get 42% of its electricity from Hungary...simply brilliant

https://www.reuters.com/world/hungary-slovakia-ask-european-commission-mediate-with-ukraine-over-lukoil-2024-07-22/

Please, do not oversize the images so much, you can make your point equally well.

Ukraine can choose from where to get the electricity in the future, there is enough connectivity. Obviously, they already thought of it. At this moment seems like Ukraine has simply taken a sovereign decision and apply "sanctions" to Ruzzia oil. I wonder if Orban is going to try for the EU to help him

https://www.german-economic-team.com/en/newsletter/ukraines-electricity-grid-synchronisation-with-the-eu-2/#:~:text=On%2016%20March%202022%2C%20the,for%202023%20at%20the%20earliest.

In the current electricity situation in Ukraine, which Ukrainian companies Ukrenergo and DTEK (producers, distribution grid operators) report on daily, the demand for electricity is very low due to the war: only 12-13 GW are currently being demanded of the approximately 53 GW of installed capacity.

[BADecker]

Gee, paxmao. Did you give up trying to get me to bet with you that the Russian Black Sea corridor through what was formerly Ukraine land doesn't exist?

[Violatoor]

Again and again your favourite topic. Seriously when are you going to read today's news??

To the bet, how do you propose to find out who won the bet? I am guessing you intend to use one of your "sources"?

Meanwhile Ukraine has shut the oil pipe that was supplying Ruzzian oil to Hungary. Orban may be under a little bit of pressure now I am guessing.

That's very wise move by Ukraine, who get 42% of its electricity from Hungary...simply brilliant

https://www.reuters.com/world/hungary-slovakia-ask-european-commission-mediate-with-ukraine-over-lukoil-2024-07-22/

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/452311298_3514317315533517_929285732353764931_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_eui2=AeGr9ML-KREBe1jn864eKA_lC6Rklt-abPULpGSW35ps9cm_Qr_4lou5LjvtMBsiFDD35hGAa5pSBWAXTWftr1ek&_nc_ohc=vbXgDyTK8pEQ7kNvgFv2Zgr&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=00_AYBRHKHmWqoLRGi4hH72PUZPEbNopqGeD82EnFdcGLPTzg&oe=66A5B071

I hope Ukraine will be helped properly, but what next? Will she pull off another year of war?

[paxmao]

Again and again your favourite topic. Seriously when are you going to read today's news??

To the bet, how do you propose to find out who won the bet? I am guessing you intend to use one of your "sources"?

Meanwhile Ukraine has shut the oil pipe that was supplying Ruzzian oil to Hungary. Orban may be under a little bit of pressure now I am guessing.

That's very wise move by Ukraine, who get 42% of its electricity from Hungary...simply brilliant

https://www.reuters.com/world/hungary-slovakia-ask-european-commission-mediate-with-ukraine-over-lukoil-2024-07-22/

I hope Ukraine will be helped properly, but what next? Will she pull off another year of war?

It depends. At this point many options are possible, including one or more years of war.

[Branko]

"The poll found that 32 percent of Ukrainians said they would accept ceding territory to "achieve peace and preserve independence,"
compared to 26 percent in February this year. It was 9 percent in February 2023."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-support-for-ceding-territory-surges/ar-BB1qupjG

[tvbcof]

"The poll found that 32 percent of Ukrainians said they would accept ceding territory to "achieve peace and preserve independence,"
compared to 26 percent in February this year. It was 9 percent in February 2023."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-support-for-ceding-territory-surges/ar-BB1qupjG

The population is suffering a die-off and it's dis-proportionally impacting the suicidal/retarded who don't see how the game is being played and who would fight and die for the current power structures who are molding Ukraine's demographics as we speak.  Russia is just being used as a tool for the project.

Maybe it isn't such a good idea to beat up a large contingent of one's population if they are heard speaking their mother tongue.  Unless, of course, problems are exactly what the leadership/owners want.  As the pain of the war drags on and intensifies, what is left of the more historic Ukrainian population is increasingly willing to accept any fate offered to them by the technocrats.  It's not clear that that would have been the case absent a significant trauma.

[BADecker]

"The poll found that 32 percent of Ukrainians said they would accept ceding territory to "achieve peace and preserve independence,"
compared to 26 percent in February this year. It was 9 percent in February 2023."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-support-for-ceding-territory-surges/ar-BB1qupjG

The population is suffering a die-off and it's dis-proportionally impacting the suicidal/retarded who don't see how the game is being played and who would fight and die for the current power structures who are molding Ukraine's demographics as we speak.  Russia is just being used as a tool for the project.

Maybe it isn't such a good idea to beat up a large contingent of one's population if they are heard speaking their mother tongue.  Unless, of course, problems are exactly what the leadership/owners want.  As the pain of the war drags on and intensifies, what is left of the more historic Ukrainian population is increasingly willing to accept any fate offered to them by the technocrats.  It's not clear that that would have been the case absent a significant trauma.

Besides, unlike in the US, when the wrong people were in office in Ukraine, millions migrated elsewhere. These people are still Ukrainians. When you take their vote of migration into account, the overwhelming majority wants peace... didn't even want the war in the first place... didn't even want the current regime at all... didn't want Zelensky. That's the majority of Ukrainians because half a million Ukrainians have died in the war.

Bring peace to Ukraine, and these Ukrainians just might come back.


Watch: Russia Mounts Ballistic Missile Strike On Western Arms Depot In Ukraine


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-russia-mounts-ballistic-missile-strike-western-arms-depot-ukraine
The Russian Defense Ministry on Tuesday published footage purporting to show the destruction of a large warehouse filled with US-supplied weapons, specifically including a HIMARS multiple rocket launcher system. The depot was destroyed by a Russian ballistic missile, with the video showing an extensive building engulfed in huge flames.

Russian media details that the US-supplied HIMARS system was "discovered by a surveillance drone and was tracked to a hangar in the village of Novopetrovka, in Ukraine's Nikolayev Region."

"The location was hit by a ballistic missile fired by an Iskander-M system, the Russian military reported on Monday, adding that the HIMARS and its crew had been destroyed," the report continues. The destruction and aftermath was then filmed by Russian surveillance drones.

Meanwhile, Ukraine launched its own attack, this time sending drones to Russia's Krasnodar Region's Kavkaz port, which lies on the eastern side of Kerch Strait.

It was a rare moment that Ukraine attacked a ferry, resulting in a handful of casualties and one death.

"The Kiev regime has once again attempted to carry out a terrorist act on the territory of the Krasnodar Region. This morning the drones attacked a ferry in the port of Kavkaz. Unfortunately, there are casualties and a fatality among the crew members and port employees," the region's governor wrote on Telegram.

A fire also resulted after the rare attack on the ferry as it was in operation. However, reports suggest the ferry was not carrying large groups of civilians at the time it was struck.

Ukraine has not backed off its frequent cross-border drone strikes on Russian territory. Moscow has at the same time stepped-up its targeting of Western assets and weapons inside Ukraine, in a continued escalation spiral.
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[DaRude]

Again and again your favourite topic. Seriously when are you going to read today's news??

To the bet, how do you propose to find out who won the bet? I am guessing you intend to use one of your "sources"?

I propose we get an independent third party to hold the bet, and that party should make a judgement call once Germany officially releases its findings and conclusions, if "RF has destroyed the Nord Streams". How do you propose we do it?

I do not trust a report from Germany, they have their interests and may want to recover the costs, which will never happen if they say it was Ruzzia. Any other brilliant idea or are you finally going to understand that there will probably never be a convincing evidence of who and why?

If your read my posts I usually "likely" or "I believe"... far different from asserting.

  you funny, let's try it again big man.

How much do you want to bet and how do you propose we settle the bet on your claim that "RF has destroyed the Nord Streams".

Simple question no?

I am not sure of what you find funny or not - not that I care.

Please, read what's written: It is not possible to settle that claim. There is a reason why secret ops are called secret.

There may be circumstantial evidence, a suspicion here or there or those newspaper articles you like to link... but a picture of the guy setting the bomb wearing full Ruzzian camouflage with a check signed by Vladimir or whatever... that's not going to be there. There may be a degree of "evidence" but nothing conclusive. I think that I cannot say anything more clearly.

However my offer remains open...would you like to go over some of your past claims? They may be much easier to fact check?

Meanwhile, I hope you do not need to refill your tank in Hungary. I think Ukraine if giving them a taste of what means to be out of the EU's umbrella.

How it started:
Please, state your bet. And make sure it is about something I have said little liar.

Whats funny is how you're trying to wiggle your way out of this. So now you're saying that there's no independent third party you would trust to make a binary judgement call on your claims? What do you think your claims are worth after this?

There is nothing more to say about this. There is no way of settling a result on the bet you propose.

But, again, we can go over all the statements you have made on this thread and choose something that can be easily fact-checked. Or are you trying to wiggle your way out of everything you have written here?

...

Step1: Make a ridiculous claim.
Step2: Call me a liar, ask for a bet on something you you previously said.
Step3: Dismiss all unfavorable sources. And claim that burden of proof on your claim is unattainable to all humankind.

Are all of the claims that you make impossible to prove? So you just make up whatever? If not please list few which you feel should be resolved in the near future in favor of current UA leadership.

[nakitalk]

Again and again your favourite topic. Seriously when are you going to read today's news??

To the bet, how do you propose to find out who won the bet? I am guessing you intend to use one of your "sources"?

Meanwhile Ukraine has shut the oil pipe that was supplying Ruzzian oil to Hungary. Orban may be under a little bit of pressure now I am guessing.

That's very wise move by Ukraine, who get 42% of its electricity from Hungary...simply brilliant

https://www.reuters.com/world/hungary-slovakia-ask-european-commission-mediate-with-ukraine-over-lukoil-2024-07-22/

I hope Ukraine will be helped properly, but what next? Will she pull off another year of war?

It depends. At this point many options are possible, including one or more years of war.

But Ukraine does not have such resources, especially human ones.

[BADecker]

Note that the freezing of Russian funds that are held in US banks, etc., is a breach of trust by the US. Russia did not do anything against the US. Rather, the US has been 'messing' with Russia for decades. This is simply another way.

Be careful how you trust the US. She ain't trustworthy.


Russia promises a response to the West’s “theft” of its assets as EU plans to send interest earned on Russian funds to Ukraine


https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-07-24-russia-promises-response-theft-assets-eu.html
The European Union has announced its intention to send over the first tranche of interest earned by frozen Russian funds to Kiev next month, and Russia has vowed to respond to what it maintains is theft.

The European Commission's Josep Borrell announced on Monday that the $1.5 billion in interest will be sent to Ukraine during the first week of August to help the country cover its arms purchases.

A spokesman for the Kremlin, Dmitry Peskov, said that there will be retaliation against the West for expropriating the assets, with legal proceedings in the works against the entities that they believe stole roughly $282 billion worth of Russian assets. The money in question is still frozen.
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[paxmao]

[..]

Step1: Make a ridiculous claim.
Step2: Call me a liar, ask for a bet on something you you previously said.
Step3: Dismiss all unfavorable sources. And claim that burden of proof on your claim is unattainable to all humankind.

Are all of the claims that you make impossible to prove? So you just make up whatever? If not please list few which you feel should be resolved in the near future in favor of current UA leadership.

Would you like to have a bet on some of the easy to fact=check claims you have made? I am asking again because you seem to repeat over and over the same line, but do not answer this simple question.

Yes, in favour of the UN recognised nation of Ukraine, I would like to predict that Ruzzia is going to be hit with more drone attacks in oil and gas facilities costing millions and making this war more and more expensive.

For example, today Ruzzia is minus one ferry in Kerch. "Slavyanin" was the name of the ship that has now become a habitat for seafood and coraline especies. Would you like to see some evidence of this or would you like to take my word for it? (it is a trick question, do not walk into it).

Also, there has been another hit in Tuapse. No wonder, it is quite large and apparently not very well protected. There is plenty of millions of Roubles to be destroyed in there. This is a veery expensive short and long term war

[Branko]

Meanwhile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mluOlz2Ry8M

[BADecker]

^^^ Great little video. Decades ago I was going to learn Russian. Maybe I'll pick it up, now. It will help me understand the war.

[paxmao]

^^^ Great little video. Decades ago I was going to learn Russian. Maybe I'll pick it up, now. It will help me understand the war.

Great idea!!!!!! Best way to learn a language is by direct contact with it! And I heard that they are offering the Ruzzian nationality just for simply signing a contract! Easy, go for it, send us pics of the Red Square!

[BADecker]

^^^ Great little video. Decades ago I was going to learn Russian. Maybe I'll pick it up, now. It will help me understand the war.

Great idea!!!!!! Best way to learn a language is by direct contact with it! And I heard that they are offering the Ruzzian nationality just for simply signing a contract! Easy, go for it, send us pics of the Red Square!

I haven't check into it lately. Is the US allowing its citizens to visit Russia? I don't know if I would want to go during the unstable times of this war with Ukraine. But you are right. Immersing one's self in the society will help them with language.

[GalFrance]

^^^ Great little video. Decades ago I was going to learn Russian. Maybe I'll pick it up, now. It will help me understand the war.

This is a very complex language, but in any case, good luck to you, it will be useful!

[DaRude]

[..]

Step1: Make a ridiculous claim.
Step2: Call me a liar, ask for a bet on something you you previously said.
Step3: Dismiss all unfavorable sources. And claim that burden of proof on your claim is unattainable to all humankind.

Are all of the claims that you make impossible to prove? So you just make up whatever? If not please list few which you feel should be resolved in the near future in favor of current UA leadership.

Would you like to have a bet on some of the easy to fact=check claims you have made? I am asking again because you seem to repeat over and over the same line, but do not answer this simple question.

Yes, in favour of the UN recognised nation of Ukraine, I would like to predict that Ruzzia is going to be hit with more drone attacks in oil and gas facilities costing millions and making this war more and more expensive.

For example, today Ruzzia is minus one ferry in Kerch. "Slavyanin" was the name of the ship that has now become a habitat for seafood and coraline especies. Would you like to see some evidence of this or would you like to take my word for it? (it is a trick question, do not walk into it).

Also, there has been another hit in Tuapse. No wonder, it is quite large and apparently not very well protected. There is plenty of millions of Roubles to be destroyed in there. This is a veery expensive short and long term war

First, Please, state your bet. And make sure it is about something I have said little liar.

Then, Would you like to have a bet on some of the easy to fact=check claims you have made?

I can't decide which definition is more appropriate in this case.


Both sides are in in "favour of the UN recognised nation of Ukraine" the question is who's puppet head will lead it.

"predict that Ruzzia is going to be hit with more drone attacks" Nostradamus, this is a joke right?

As expected, a non-answer. Next, what compromises during negotiations do you think would put Ukraine in a worst position than the terms presented by Russia to Sullivan before this all began? As usual, don't really expect you to answer open ended questions, so let's try a direct one. Would you support ending this conflict with Ukraine not joining NATO and giving up territory based on current frontlines? A simple Yes or NO would suffice.

Fully expect more deflection from you, so to get ahead of that i'll even make my points first, i would consider the following concessions a loss for Russia:

• Russia giving up control of Crimea
• Ukraine is allowed to join NATO
• Current leadership stays in control of Ukraine.
• Russian language doesn't get the official status in Ukraine
• Outside of Crimea demarcation line doesn't matter much as long as those parts of Ukraine go back under Russia's sphere of influence

[BADecker]

There are a whole lot of people who support Ukraine by vote. Are these people ready to fight for her and die for her? Or is it only the governmental people in this support, basically? Historically, the Ukraine government was against Jews and Poles... by exterminating them.


Ukraine's Neo-Nazi Government Is Supported by the International Community


https://michelchossudovsky.substack.com/p/ukraine-neo-nazi-government-intl-community
Sponsored by the Swiss Government (15-16 June, 2024) it resulted in a chaotic public relations ploy rather than a peace initiative. Russia had not been invited to attend.

The fundamental issue, which was carefully avoided is that the dominant Nazi faction within the Kiev government exerts its power in the realm of intelligence, internal affairs, national security and the military.

It's a proxy regime in liaison with its U.S.-NATO sponsors.

Amply documented, the 2014 EuroMaidan US Sponsored Coup d'Etat was carried out with the support of the two Nazi factions: Svoboda and Right Sektor headed by Dmytro Yarosh.
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[paxmao]

[..]

Step1: Make a ridiculous claim.
Step2: Call me a liar, ask for a bet on something you you previously said.
Step3: Dismiss all unfavorable sources. And claim that burden of proof on your claim is unattainable to all humankind.

Are all of the claims that you make impossible to prove? So you just make up whatever? If not please list few which you feel should be resolved in the near future in favor of current UA leadership.

Would you like to have a bet on some of the easy to fact=check claims you have made? I am asking again because you seem to repeat over and over the same line, but do not answer this simple question.

Yes, in favour of the UN recognised nation of Ukraine, I would like to predict that Ruzzia is going to be hit with more drone attacks in oil and gas facilities costing millions and making this war more and more expensive.

For example, today Ruzzia is minus one ferry in Kerch. "Slavyanin" was the name of the ship that has now become a habitat for seafood and coraline especies. Would you like to see some evidence of this or would you like to take my word for it? (it is a trick question, do not walk into it).

Also, there has been another hit in Tuapse. No wonder, it is quite large and apparently not very well protected. There is plenty of millions of Roubles to be destroyed in there. This is a veery expensive short and long term war

First, Please, state your bet. And make sure it is about something I have said little liar.

Then, Would you like to have a bet on some of the easy to fact=check claims you have made?

I can't decide which definition is more appropriate in this case.

Both sides are in in "favour of the UN recognised nation of Ukraine" the question is who's puppet head will lead it.

"predict that Ruzzia is going to be hit with more drone attacks" Nostradamus, this is a joke right?[...]

Same question, same answer: you have chosen something that is nearly impossible to be conclusively proven and you have chosen a way to resolve the bet that is a one -party report. Nothing can come out of that (except you calling me narcisist... I guess that's an upgrade from "Nazi" which is the usual attempt to attack my credibility or whatever they think they are doing. So, again...

Would you like to have a bet on some of the easy to fact=check claims you have made? I am asking again because you seem to repeat over and over the same line, but do not answer this simple question.

You cannot... can you? You know you have posted so much bullshit here that I will have a choice of maybe hundreds of fakes and misrepresentations.

The nation of Ukraine shall choose whoever they choose. You can exercise your individual freedom to disagree. Basically, they do not need a puppet, they need someone that represents their interests (hint: it is not Moscow, Moscow represents the interests of Moscow).

The definition you are looking for applies to yourself: liar but if you wish to look for some others: liar, propagandist, Kremlin troll, Kremlin apologist, supporter of infanticides,... you can choose and you will be right in any of them.

No is not a joke, Ukraine will keep using drones to destroy oil facilities. I can bet on that if you wish? Or do you know it is going to happen?

But maybe you want to bet that Ukraine will not be able to use ATACAMS and hit valuable targets? Or do you know that it is going to happen?

But there must be something more than "puppets" here, lets have a look a Poland vs Ukraine. Poland leaves their ties with Ruzzia, Ukraine keeps them and...

What happens when you become independent from Moscow and free to pursue your own interests and alliances...



Now, go try convince Ukrainians that they should have a Lukashenko "in their best interest".