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Question: UEFA Champions League 2022/23 Season Winner?
Real Madrid - 49 (33.3%)
Barcelona - 13 (8.8%)
Manchester City - 51 (34.7%)
Chelsea - 6 (4.1%)
Liverpool - 4 (2.7%)
Paris Saint-Germain - 9 (6.1%)
AC Milan - 2 (1.4%)
Other - 13 (8.8%)
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December 21, 2022, 05:39:53 PM
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@ginsan while it’s true that Bayern have injured player’s but PSG too have problems of their own as Mbappe will be psychologically effected and that could harm PSG chances of winning. Furthermore even with these injuries I feel that Bayern will put up a strong fight, and PSG will have to hope that Mbappe and Messi can work together otherwise they’ll find it difficult to win this fixture.
Mbappe's psychological issue will be resolved before the match because Mbappe, who is now a football hero, also needs the Champions League title.
What happened in the World Cup is normal in football because that is the nature of the game; you either win or lose, but Mbappe's effort was incredible, but luck was not on France's side, and they lost on penalties.
Bayern Munich, on the other hand, can play very well without Mane and perform very well because they have good players who can defeat PSG as well.
The game between psg and munich is not going to be an easy game and especially now that the world cup just ended and two of psg forwards are in their best forms @Lionel Messi and mbappe,  i think it won't be so easy like you are saying for Munich to defeat this psg side especially now that sadio mane who is an essential player for Bayern Munich and a prolific goal scorer in the team is not going to feature in the clash, i think his absence is going to really be a factor in this clash between the two clubs.
Players like Messi and Mbappe who just came out hot from the world cup, will be on fire and inform for their club side as both will be set to stun Bayern Munich with a well deserved victory. I would bet they win or draw with an above >2.5goal margin. Although Munich has had more training time as a team with major of the players around, PSG might opt to rest either Messi or Mbappe due to fatigue unless they decide to play.

I think PSG will win against Bayern Munich. Because all three of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe have shown great performance in the World Cup. If they are able to produce such a performance in the PSG team, no one has the ability to stop this team. Bayern Munich is definitely a strong team and they are also tactical. Even so, I would say that PSG's attack is now the strongest in the world. So I am willing to bet PSG win in PSG vs Bayern Munich match. Unless Messi, Neymar or Mbappe are out of the squad due to injury.

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December 21, 2022, 06:26:27 PM
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It is going to be a very difficult game though and I would not be surprised if PSG would get eliminated although chances for me for them to be eliminated are real slim,as long as Messi and Mbappe are playing in the same team,PSG then there is nothing to worry I would say.
If both players can combine well on the field, of course there is a great chance of winning. The skills of these two PSG players are the best so far. However, in most clubs that have the ability to attack, their defense is very weak. Their opponents will take advantage of counterattacks in these conditions.

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December 21, 2022, 06:37:15 PM
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I think that you're underestimating the mentality that owned by mbappe. As a profesional player and losing in the game was a common thing but i do believe the lost against argentina will not give a long term impact for mbappe's psychology. Mbappe itself was in the same team with messi. The competition in the club will continue but as long as both can working together and that will be so good for PSG. I think that mbappe will not make PSG lose a chance to win the UCL.
Mbappe will be mentally recovered but it takes some time for him to make it happen.
Losing wins is a consequence of the match, but losing in the final is painful. But I don't think it makes sense to see a player mentally affected more than one month after loss, it's just not professional at all. Messi and Neymar can help him recover mentally, they are in the same team for the same end goal.

Mabppe, Neymar and Messi will always be expected to give PSG its first Champions League title. This season they are on a good track, Messi is in good form and mentally while Mbappe also didn't seem too troubled with his form in the final. He and all the other players will return to the team, I hope the relationship between the three is always good.


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December 21, 2022, 07:13:25 PM
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I wonder what would have happened if Barcelona had Messi since the beginning of the season. Let's say that he adapted to Xavi's game plan. Would he still be able to play a big role in Barcelona's advancing to last 16 stage? Or would they still fail in doing so?

To be honest, it feels like even Messi wouldn't be able to save the team by taking responsibility. Because I think it was all due to the wrong strategies prepared by Xavi. The main reason of all the big matches they lost must be Xavi's wrong preferences. Barcelona had such a promising squad actually but they couldn't make it.

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December 21, 2022, 07:26:29 PM
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I wonder what would have happened if Barcelona had Messi since the beginning of the season. Let's say that he adapted to Xavi's game plan. Would he still be able to play a big role in Barcelona's advancing to last 16 stage? Or would they still fail in doing so?

To be honest, it feels like even Messi wouldn't be able to save the team by taking responsibility. Because I think it was all due to the wrong strategies prepared by Xavi. The main reason of all the big matches they lost must be Xavi's wrong preferences. Barcelona had such a promising squad actually but they couldn't make it.
What Didier Deschamps did when he subbed O. Dembele and Giroud in the 41' against Argentina in the World Cup finals was what i was expecting to see from Xavi when the struggled through the group stage of the Champions League especially when the played against Inter Milan and the Second leg against Bayern Munich, but instead he was beclouded with sentiment. Messi's days in Barcelona are over his presence might have caused a difference but i am not sure its a certainty.
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December 21, 2022, 07:42:16 PM
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maybe psg can take advantage of the weakness of the injuries that hit the bayern munich players. Sadio Mane and Neuer, the two main Bayern Munich players, had to rest because of the injuries they had. It's hard to say that Bayern Munich will be able to provide a good fight in the match if we look at the very strong PSG squad this season. but the match on the pitch will be the answer in 90 minutes. but my prediction is that psg will be able to win this match because psg is stressed by the owner to be able to win the champions league and messi, mbappe and neymar will definitely answer that pressure by giving victory in every game.

psg is a club the majority of their players are very qualified of course the game between psg and bayern munich will be like the fake final presented earlier in the champions league this season.
Bayern Munich faced dilemma with two main player are injured, Manuel Neuer have confirmed absent with Bayern Munich until end season after his leg injuring, but for Sadio Mane not official confirm yet how long he need time for recovering, will ability for Bayern Munich against PSG in Champion League or not.

I think PSG have advantage if Bayern Munich missing thier main player actually with Neuer, but have rumor with Croatia goal keeper Dominik Livakovic will replace position by Neuer if reach agreement deal for transfer.

I don't want to make quick conclusion but why do I feel like Parisans had a chance to go ovwr the Germans during the Champions League upcoming February.
Sadio Mane should have gotten better it's over a month since he got Injured, he has a chance of getting fixtured but not sure he is really fit for that tie.

Observing the great performance of KYLIAN MBAPPE and Lionel Messi, the both of them with Neymar Jr included can hurt Bayern Munich that's only if they'll finally play as a team. Since Bayern Munich goalie would be absent they won't find it difficult to score.

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December 21, 2022, 08:08:19 PM
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maybe psg can take advantage of the weakness of the injuries that hit the bayern munich players. Sadio Mane and Neuer, the two main Bayern Munich players, had to rest because of the injuries they had. It's hard to say that Bayern Munich will be able to provide a good fight in the match if we look at the very strong PSG squad this season. but the match on the pitch will be the answer in 90 minutes. but my prediction is that psg will be able to win this match because psg is stressed by the owner to be able to win the champions league and messi, mbappe and neymar will definitely answer that pressure by giving victory in every game.

psg is a club the majority of their players are very qualified of course the game between psg and bayern munich will be like the fake final presented earlier in the champions league this season.
Bayern Munich faced dilemma with two main player are injured, Manuel Neuer have confirmed absent with Bayern Munich until end season after his leg injuring, but for Sadio Mane not official confirm yet how long he need time for recovering, will ability for Bayern Munich against PSG in Champion League or not.

I think PSG have advantage if Bayern Munich missing thier main player actually with Neuer, but have rumor with Croatia goal keeper Dominik Livakovic will replace position by Neuer if reach agreement deal for transfer.

I don't want to make quick conclusion but why do I feel like Parisans had a chance to go ovwr the Germans during the Champions League upcoming February.
Sadio Mane should have gotten better it's over a month since he got Injured, he has a chance of getting fixtured but not sure he is fit for that tie.

Observing the great performance of KYLIAN MBAPPE and Lionel Messi, both of them with Neymar Jr included can hurt Bayern Munich that's only if they'll finally play as a team. Since Bayern Munich's goalie would be absent they won't find it difficult to score.
PSG seems to have the upper hand but may lose in a sliding attempt to underrate the German side. Bayern Munich are doing well since the beginning of this season. With 18 wins and 2 losses from  24 games, They have laid a good foundation so far this season and even if there is any suspected deficiency, it hasn't affected the team yet. As an experienced team, I think Bayern Munich is in the right state to play PSG, but let's see if they are capable of doing it without Neuer.

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December 21, 2022, 08:12:26 PM
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maybe psg can take advantage of the weakness of the injuries that hit the bayern munich players. Sadio Mane and Neuer, the two main Bayern Munich players, had to rest because of the injuries they had. It's hard to say that Bayern Munich will be able to provide a good fight in the match if we look at the very strong PSG squad this season. but the match on the pitch will be the answer in 90 minutes. but my prediction is that psg will be able to win this match because psg is stressed by the owner to be able to win the champions league and messi, mbappe and neymar will definitely answer that pressure by giving victory in every game.

psg is a club the majority of their players are very qualified of course the game between psg and bayern munich will be like the fake final presented earlier in the champions league this season.
Bayern Munich faced dilemma with two main player are injured, Manuel Neuer have confirmed absent with Bayern Munich until end season after his leg injuring, but for Sadio Mane not official confirm yet how long he need time for recovering, will ability for Bayern Munich against PSG in Champion League or not.

I think PSG have advantage if Bayern Munich missing thier main player actually with Neuer, but have rumor with Croatia goal keeper Dominik Livakovic will replace position by Neuer if reach agreement deal for transfer.

Whether the injury to Manuel Neuer will greatly affect the team's overall performance. I don't think so, because the role of a goalkeeper is the last line of defense for a team. before opposing players break through on the opponent's last defense, they must at least get past these other defenders' defenses. after all, Bayern Munich has another potential replacement option that has the same potential as Manuel Neuer. it's just that, until now there has been no official statement issued either from Bayern Munich's management or Mangalesmann, the tactician from Bayern Munich. maybe the only thing that has an effect is the injury to Sadio Mane, it is clear that Bayern Munich's sharpness and speed will decrease.  what's more, they have a tough match against PSG in the round of 26 later.

IMO, Nagelesmann is a very young genius coach, he has several players who can fill the role of Sadio Mane.xone of them is Kingsley Coman, who played very impressively when competing in the world cup even though they lost in the end. I'm sure Nagelsmann still has plenty of time to face PSG later. at the very least, he would formulate something that looked for his opponent's weaknesses. I'm still optimistic, in the next game. these two teams will present a very interesting spectacle.

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December 21, 2022, 08:21:21 PM
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while it’s true that Bayern have injured player’s but PSG too have problems of their own as Mbappe will be psychologically effected and that could harm PSG chances of winning.
I think that you're underestimating the mentality that owned by mbappe. As a profesional player and losing in the game was a common thing but i do believe the lost against argentina will not give a long term impact for mbappe's psychology. Mbappe itself was in the same team with messi. The competition in the club will continue but as long as both can working together and that will be so good for PSG. I think that mbappe will not make PSG lose a chance to win the UCL.
Mbappe will be mentally recovered but it takes some time for him to make it happen.
Professional players always have a very high mentality and Mbappe being here now with all the scorn everywhere isn't it proof that he is mentally very strong.
On the other hand, this is still so far away that even though psychologically right now it is a bit affected by a painful defeat, as a professional player with 2 months I think that is enough to forget about that, especially since he is also a player who is predicted to be very good in the future. if only because of this he is down then the price is clearly not suitable for his mentality and Mbappe knows that.

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December 21, 2022, 09:08:49 PM
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I think that there is enough time for Mbappe psychological feeling to pass and he to feel full power again,he has all the World Cups before him as he is very young of age despite looking extremely mature when playing and that is how true leaders are.

It is going to be a very difficult game though and I would not be surprised if PSG would get eliminated although chances for me for them to be eliminated are real slim,as long as Messi and Mbappe are playing in the same team,PSG then there is nothing to worry I would say.
Now most of the soccer players are professional, and they have strong enough mentality just because of these wins and loses have not enough psychological impact on them even they are also humans and feel about this all but still for me, they are strong enough and can adjust quickly just because of this today I was checking Mbappé is already just after 64 hours from losing final in Qatar today have his training session at PSG which is surely amazing stuff from this wonder kid of soccer.

So now they are preparing for another big challenge which is going to have big impact on them as well with facing Bayern Munich into round of 16 is never been easy for them, but they have to be well organized for this because if they fail to do win this surely it could another dilemma for them and all management of the PSG.
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December 21, 2022, 09:17:25 PM
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It is going to be a very difficult game though and I would not be surprised if PSG would get eliminated although chances for me for them to be eliminated are real slim,as long as Messi and Mbappe are playing in the same team,PSG then there is nothing to worry I would say.
If both players can combine well on the field, of course there is a great chance of winning. The skills of these two PSG players are the best so far. However, in most clubs that have the ability to attack, their defense is very weak. Their opponents will take advantage of counterattacks in these conditions.
Right now, both the players are in their best specially after playing world cup final so hopefully until this match they could be well settled and chemistry could be also good which will help them for having better results against Bayern Munich in this important game even right now mostly peoples feeling after few injuries Bayern Munich is going to be weaker side but most chances they have ability to hit back very quickly which is their strength so most chance this is not going to be easy game for both teams even I personally have feeling now it's time for PSG to win and have fair chance for qualifying into last two with opponents against them could be any English club like Manchester City or Liverpool because right now these both are doing good job as well.
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December 21, 2022, 09:30:12 PM
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Bayern Munich faced dilemma with two main player are injured, Manuel Neuer have confirmed absent with Bayern Munich until end season after his leg injuring, but for Sadio Mane not official confirm yet how long he need time for recovering, will ability for Bayern Munich against PSG in Champion League or not.

I think PSG have advantage if Bayern Munich missing thier main player actually with Neuer, but have rumor with Croatia goal keeper Dominik Livakovic will replace position by Neuer if reach agreement deal for transfer.
one side it will not benefit bayern munich even if they get another goalkeeper in the transfer window because neuer is the best bayern munich has ever had. I believe the situation that occurred in Bayern Munich was very chaotic because of the storm of injuries that were experienced by their core players. this is where we will see Nagelsmann figure in rotating players and can he form a stronger Bayern Munich without the presence of their two core players. that's a strategy that needs to be thought through quickly before they play this match. psg is in the best form, none of their core players are injured even mbappe is in the best form as well as lionel messi. psg is more complete when they face bayern munich later.

in the statistics of the encounter between PSG and Bayern Munich where Bayern Munich did dominate the victory but that was since Lewandowski was still in their squad and the current era might be a differentiator.

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December 21, 2022, 09:35:36 PM
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IMO, Nagelesmann is a very young genius coach, he has several players who can fill the role of Sadio Mane.xone of them is Kingsley Coman, who played very impressively when competing in the world cup even though they lost in the end. I'm sure Nagelsmann still has plenty of time to face PSG later. at the very least, he would formulate something that looked for his opponent's weaknesses. I'm still optimistic, in the next game. these two teams will present a very interesting spectacle.
There are several rumors about Kingsley Coman, who Chelsea are interested in transferring this time, on the other hand there is also news about an exchange for Pulisic, which Bayern also want a loan for Pulisic.
But when it comes to the Champions League and Mane's Injury thing I think this is going too far in fact I'm pretty sure Mane is recovering unless there are some other issues that happen to him when he returns to play because it's still February next year and that leaves 2 months from now.

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December 21, 2022, 09:36:19 PM
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It is going to be a very difficult game though and I would not be surprised if PSG would get eliminated although chances for me for them to be eliminated are real slim,as long as Messi and Mbappe are playing in the same team,PSG then there is nothing to worry I would say.
If both players can combine well on the field, of course there is a great chance of winning. The skills of these two PSG players are the best so far. However, in most clubs that have the ability to attack, their defense is very weak. Their opponents will take advantage of counterattacks in these conditions.
There would be a contradicted between mbappe and messi. I know that how harsh argentina fans were mocking mbappe by losing against argentina but those people forgot that if mbappe has even won world cup title in 2018.
If both can work together and that will be so good for PSG but i think that there will be a contradiction between both. As far as i can see some season already passed by mbappe and messi in PSG without champion league trophy.
The way to get UCL is even harder since this time so many teams were focusing to regenerate their players. Let's see how mbappe will be responding his team mate messi once both work together again in SPG

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December 21, 2022, 10:07:39 PM
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I wonder what would have happened if Barcelona had Messi since the beginning of the season. Let's say that he adapted to Xavi's game plan. Would he still be able to play a big role in Barcelona's advancing to last 16 stage? Or would they still fail in doing so?

To be honest, it feels like even Messi wouldn't be able to save the team by taking responsibility. Because I think it was all due to the wrong strategies prepared by Xavi. The main reason of all the big matches they lost must be Xavi's wrong preferences. Barcelona had such a promising squad actually but they couldn't make it.
What Didier Deschamps did when he subbed O. Dembele and Giroud in the 41' against Argentina in the World Cup finals was what i was expecting to see from Xavi when the struggled through the group stage of the Champions League especially when the played against Inter Milan and the Second leg against Bayern Munich, but instead he was beclouded with sentiment. Messi's days in Barcelona are over his presence might have caused a difference but i am not sure it's a certainty.

Well we can't compare the decision made by France's coach Didier Deschamps in the world cup finals to that of Xavi in the big games of Barcelona, looking at the French team you could easily the replacement of most of the first eleven so make such quick change that changed the outcome of the match was not difficult for him to do and it turned out well for him but you don't blame for not making such decisions to change some players when his team is losing because the team is only sure of the first eleven for now and any match without some of the players it is very certain that Barcelona will loose.

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December 21, 2022, 10:10:04 PM
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Now most of the soccer players are professional, and they have strong enough mentality just because of these wins and loses have not enough psychological impact on them even they are also humans and feel about this all but still for me, they are strong enough and can adjust quickly just because of this today I was checking Mbappé is already just after 64 hours from losing final in Qatar today have his training session at PSG which is surely amazing stuff from this wonder kid of soccer.

So now they are preparing for another big challenge which is going to have big impact on them as well with facing Bayern Munich into round of 16 is never been easy for them, but they have to be well organized for this because if they fail to do win this surely it could another dilemma for them and all management of the PSG.
Different people have different ways to deal with the difficulties they face on their lives, one very common reaction I have seen is that people after a difficult experience prefer to work as hard as possible so they do not have to think about what happened, so there should be little doubt Mbappe is not happy that despite his spectacular performance at the world cup and at the final game he was still unable to get the win, and instead of taking some time to think about it he prefers to go back to his club, train and play again as soon as he can so he can let this bad experience behind him.
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December 21, 2022, 10:17:02 PM
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There would be a contradicted between mbappe and messi. I know that how harsh argentina fans were mocking mbappe by losing against argentina but those people forgot that if mbappe has even won world cup title in 2018.
If both can work together and that will be so good for PSG but i think that there will be a contradiction between both. As far as i can see some season already passed by mbappe and messi in PSG without champion league trophy.
Both Mbappe and Messi were very outstanding in the World Cup, moreover, in the final, Mbappe was exactly super enough. Although his team lost to Argentina, we all know how the his performance of Mbappe, is really outstanding.
If both Messi and Mbappe are really able to unite their strength, solid, and also support each other, actually, PSG should be the strongest team right now. However, they also still have Neymar who is also very talented and his performance is also awesome enough so far. They also have a strong defense, like Hakimi that will probably become more motivated after the World Cup, and still many talented and string players there. But, we know that with this lineup, PSG was not able to rise the UCL trophy in the previous season. Are so many superstars of footballs in a club playing together at one time will not effective because of too much focus on different players? Well, the UCL will be started on Feb 15. And this will not be easy because PSG will meet Bayern. Actually, with the squad lineups, PSG should be stronger and win the match, except that Mbappe probability to transfer to another club as expected.


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December 21, 2022, 10:24:53 PM
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Both Mbappe and Messi were very outstanding in the World Cup, moreover, in the final, Mbappe was exactly super enough. Although his team lost to Argentina, we all know how the his performance of Mbappe, is really outstanding.
The finals was one like no other. Particularly for these two PSG players. They've were Particularly competitive and outstanding in that game. K. Mbappe wasn't really motivated in the first half and at the beginning of the second half but soon after they had there first goal, it all turned to the interesting finals we all hoped it to be. Argentina was fully prepared for this, that's one thing I would say.

I do hope to see the same energy these players who distinguished themselves in the world cup to use in the UCL. PSG needs a champions league they've got what it takes to make it happen in Neyamr, Mbappe and Messi.

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December 21, 2022, 10:34:29 PM
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It is going to be a very difficult game though and I would not be surprised if PSG would get eliminated although chances for me for them to be eliminated are real slim,as long as Messi and Mbappe are playing in the same team,PSG then there is nothing to worry I would say.
If both players can combine well on the field, of course there is a great chance of winning. The skills of these two PSG players are the best so far. However, in most clubs that have the ability to attack, their defense is very weak. Their opponents will take advantage of counterattacks in these conditions.
There would be a contradicted between mbappe and messi. I know that how harsh argentina fans were mocking mbappe by losing against argentina but those people forgot that if mbappe has even won world cup title in 2018.
If both can work together and that will be so good for PSG but i think that there will be a contradiction between both. As far as i can see some season already passed by mbappe and messi in PSG without champion league trophy.
The way to get UCL is even harder since this time so many teams were focusing to regenerate their players. Let's see how mbappe will be responding his team mate messi once both work together again in SPG
So far Messi and Mbappe are very close, only their fans keep them away. Messi and Mbappe will to play professionally for PSG, being in the same boat won't look good if there are contradictions, but considering the previous rumors of Mbappe and Neymar it could be true that your statement has some truth, it doesn't close possibility either. UCL every season is very interesting but this season will be even more interesting, we see other talented young players, like Erling Haaland and Goncalo Ramos. I believe the way to get trophy UCL will not be easy for PSG even also for other clubs.

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December 21, 2022, 11:38:06 PM
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Now most of the soccer players are professional, and they have strong enough mentality just because of these wins and loses have not enough psychological impact on them even they are also humans and feel about this all but still for me, they are strong enough and can adjust quickly just because of this today I was checking Mbappé is already just after 64 hours from losing final in Qatar today have his training session at PSG which is surely amazing stuff from this wonder kid of soccer.

So now they are preparing for another big challenge which is going to have big impact on them as well with facing Bayern Munich into round of 16 is never been easy for them, but they have to be well organized for this because if they fail to do win this surely it could another dilemma for them and all management of the PSG.
Different people have different ways to deal with the difficulties they face on their lives, one very common reaction I have seen is that people after a difficult experience prefer to work as hard as possible so they do not have to think about what happened, so there should be little doubt Mbappe is not happy that despite his spectacular performance at the world cup and at the final game he was still unable to get the win, and instead of taking some time to think about it he prefers to go back to his club, train and play again as soon as he can so he can let this bad experience behind him.

Mbappe's performance in the World Cup was very good. But due to the poor performance of his teammates, France could not become champions. Football is all about a team game. It is difficult to win if you do not perform well as a team. I think Mbappe has definitely learned from that performance in France. He definitely understands how important team performance is. Although the France squad is comparatively stronger than the Argentina squad, they cannot play well. I think Mbappe will now change his style of play like a sailfish. And he will try to fit in with the other players on the team.

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