No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream?

[Gallar]

So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

If you look at the current developments, the manufacture of electric cars is being developed by several large companies such as Mercedes Benz, Toyota and Tesla which are owned by Elon Musk. Even the Tesla car created by Elon Musk can be said to have succeeded in bringing the name electric car to the world. Because the Tesla is the best-selling electric car on the market and is in demand by electric car enthusiasts. So actually there are quite a lot of electric car enthusiasts nowadays. Especially if in 2035, it is likely that 80% of people in the world will switch from petrol/diesel fueled cars to electric powered cars. So, in my opinion, all of these plans will most likely come true, because even now in several countries there are already many citizens who use electric-powered cars. Such as China, Norway, Iceland and Sweden.

Then in my opinion in the future electric cars will indeed be a vehicle that is most suitable for use. Because electric cars are more environmentally friendly and do not destroy nature in this world. Unlike gasoline-fueled cars, it's clear that all of that is quite damaging to nature. And gasoline fuel is not likely to always be there, due to the limited supply on this earth. So switching to an electric car is indeed the right thing. But all of that really requires careful preparation throughout the world, because like battery charging stations, there must be existing and evenly distributed in various countries. But I'm sure all those plans will most likely come true.

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[xSkylarx]

I own both electric and petrol car, not the high-end/flagship one like Tesla, BMW, or Benz tho, just mid-level car Daihatsu and Hyundai. I can vouch that monthly maintenance for electric car is less demanding and less pricy, my take is that electric car has significantly less liquid involve in their engine. I haven't need to replace the Battery so I don't know the real cost. The cost of petrol vs electric power is also significantly less, but it also because the cost of electricity today is relatively cheaper, so if the electric car become more mainstream and the electricity cost is getting higher, there might be not much of a different.

Have you ever tried petrol cars that has compressed or liquefied natural gas modification? They use tiny amount of petrol to start the car, but later switch to natural gas. Natural gas cost twice less than petrol or diesel. Natural gas is cleaner than petrol or diesel. It takes almost same amount of time to fill tank as with petrol or diesel car. You can ride same distance with natural gas as with electric battery. Natural gas modification cost around 1000 EUR, you do need to do engine maintenance every 10-15km. With electric cars you only save on oil change, oil and oil filter. That is like 100-200 EUR twice a year, but the cost of electric battery change plus battery unit will kill all the saving.

No, I have never tried, and to be honest this is the first time I have ever heard of this such modification. Are you sure that it needs maintenance for every 10-15km, because that's like half of my one-way commute daily and that's a huge drawback for most people I think.

My car battery replacement cost is estimated to be about $1000 to $1500, and it is guaranteed for 8 years, in those 8 Years span, I only need two times maintenance for the electric cars, and from what I heard it will cost $200-$250 each. For the fuel car, you are right two times maintenance of my petrol car in total is $200 ($100 each) for a year, for 8 Years it's already $1600 I could still save $100, combined with the less money I spent for fuel, and lower tax for electric vehicle, I could save a significant amount of money.

All that estimation is assuming that both cars running well and doesn't need an extra maintenance.

Sorry, it is 10-15k km. My bad. Cars that run on natural gas were popular in Europe for some time. The car consumes slightly more gas than regular petrol, but the price of the gas was 4 times lower than petrol. Often such modifications were installed on a car with high volume engines, like 3-5l. The trick was that you still got that V8 or V10 sound, but spend on fuel like you have 1.0l Yaris.

Another reason why I see that switch to only electric cars is gonna be far in future is the range electric cars can cover. How many km can you cover with your electric car with one battery charge? With my diesel sedan I can make around 1000km with 60l of diesel and spend 5min to refill to make another 1000km. Travelling with electric cars seems complicated today.

With the current technology right now, 1000km is not yet achievable, but if it is, then the problem is really charging time. Like you've said, it takes only 5 minutes to refill, whereas in electricity, it needs to be charged over night or a couple of hours, and you still need to pay it. When talking about saving time, the gasoline or diesel car will win, but if you want to save money (except maintenance, only the ratio of charger and fuel prices), then the electric car wins. This is the only part that the electric car won, as most people right now prefer the traditional one, but again, in the future, we don't know that electric cars are far better than today's car.

[Truthlovecoins]

It is a possibility that petrol/diesel cars would have almost, if not totally been upgraded for electric cars.
The pecks of the petrol/diesel engine will constantly be in contest till electric powered cars can be of greater efficiency and of sustained economic value.

I saw a documentary on YouTube of how an electric car owner carries around a small petrol generator to power his Tesla once the battery was low and no charging spot close by. This is one challenge that will see the demand for electricity consumption triple and the need for modular standard plants and distribution points worldwide.

Unless countries come together to adopt the electric cars upgrade, cars running on diesel/petrol might even still be available till a century from now.

[icalical]

I own both electric and petrol car, not the high-end/flagship one like Tesla, BMW, or Benz tho, just mid-level car Daihatsu and Hyundai. I can vouch that monthly maintenance for electric car is less demanding and less pricy, my take is that electric car has significantly less liquid involve in their engine. I haven't need to replace the Battery so I don't know the real cost. The cost of petrol vs electric power is also significantly less, but it also because the cost of electricity today is relatively cheaper, so if the electric car become more mainstream and the electricity cost is getting higher, there might be not much of a different.

Have you ever tried petrol cars that has compressed or liquefied natural gas modification? They use tiny amount of petrol to start the car, but later switch to natural gas. Natural gas cost twice less than petrol or diesel. Natural gas is cleaner than petrol or diesel. It takes almost same amount of time to fill tank as with petrol or diesel car. You can ride same distance with natural gas as with electric battery. Natural gas modification cost around 1000 EUR, you do need to do engine maintenance every 10-15km. With electric cars you only save on oil change, oil and oil filter. That is like 100-200 EUR twice a year, but the cost of electric battery change plus battery unit will kill all the saving.

No, I have never tried, and to be honest this is the first time I have ever heard of this such modification. Are you sure that it needs maintenance for every 10-15km, because that's like half of my one-way commute daily and that's a huge drawback for most people I think.

My car battery replacement cost is estimated to be about $1000 to $1500, and it is guaranteed for 8 years, in those 8 Years span, I only need two times maintenance for the electric cars, and from what I heard it will cost $200-$250 each. For the fuel car, you are right two times maintenance of my petrol car in total is $200 ($100 each) for a year, for 8 Years it's already $1600 I could still save $100, combined with the less money I spent for fuel, and lower tax for electric vehicle, I could save a significant amount of money.

All that estimation is assuming that both cars running well and doesn't need an extra maintenance.

Sorry, it is 10-15k km. My bad. Cars that run on natural gas were popular in Europe for some time. The car consumes slightly more gas than regular petrol, but the price of the gas was 4 times lower than petrol. Often such modifications were installed on a car with high volume engines, like 3-5l. The trick was that you still got that V8 or V10 sound, but spend on fuel like you have 1.0l Yaris.

Another reason why I see that switch to only electric cars is gonna be far in future is the range electric cars can cover. How many km can you cover with your electric car with one battery charge? With my diesel sedan I can make around 1000km with 60l of diesel and spend 5min to refill to make another 1000km. Travelling with electric cars seems complicated today.

With the current technology right now, 1000km is not yet achievable, but if it is, then the problem is really charging time. Like you've said, it takes only 5 minutes to refill, whereas in electricity, it needs to be charged over night or a couple of hours, and you still need to pay it. When talking about saving time, the gasoline or diesel car will win, but if you want to save money (except maintenance, only the ratio of charger and fuel prices), then the electric car wins. This is the only part that the electric car won, as most people right now prefer the traditional one, but again, in the future, we don't know that electric cars are far better than today's car.

I really don't have a problem with the range, mine can reach up to 450km for a full battery, and that's more than enough for my daily commute. I have done a 500km+ road trip and I don't find any discomfort since there is a fast charging facility on each rest area along the toll road. But I do agree that the charging time is a problem, with home charging you need more than 6h to charge the battery from 10% to 80% it's not a problem if you always remember to charge the car. I once forgot to charge it and need to travel extra 18km for a fast charging that I don't actually need, just to charge the car, I waste more than 1h, 30mins to reach the fast charging and another 40 to charge. There is only one fast charging in the big city that covers like a whole region, or else you need to get in the toll road rest area, and paid extra to enter the toll road. It's annoying.

[Razmirraz]

With the current technology right now, 1000km is not yet achievable, but if it is, then the problem is really charging time. Like you've said, it takes only 5 minutes to refill, whereas in electricity, it needs to be charged over night or a couple of hours, and you still need to pay it. When talking about saving time, the gasoline or diesel car will win, but if you want to save money (except maintenance, only the ratio of charger and fuel prices), then the electric car wins. This is the only part that the electric car won, as most people right now prefer the traditional one, but again, in the future, we don't know that electric cars are far better than today's car.

Initially the pros and cons always adorned when a new breakthrough was launched, assessments in terms of ease of refueling/charging the battery, maintenance costs and purchase price were always a comparison between the two. Regardless of the pros and cons that occur in the midst of society, no one can resist technological developments. Just imagine if oil supplies are running low and the price is getting higher, of course this will be a new problem that makes oil-fuel car owners have to spend more money than usual when refueling.

Electric cars are the latest breakthrough in the automotive world, to cover a wider market, of course, car manufacturers will design cars with all the conveniences and advantages to attract consumers. Electric cars are more environmentally friendly than oil-fueled cars because they don't produce carbon emission residue in the form of Co2, besides that electric cars are also economical in terms of maintenance because they don't need to change oil, spark plugs, coils and replace radiator water. In terms of convenience (pollution free), no need to pay when charging and economical in maintenance, it is very likely that electric cars will dominate the road in the future.

[slapper]

So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

If you look at the current developments, the manufacture of electric cars is being developed by several large companies such as Mercedes Benz, Toyota and Tesla which are owned by Elon Musk. Even the Tesla car created by Elon Musk can be said to have succeeded in bringing the name electric car to the world. Because the Tesla is the best-selling electric car on the market and is in demand by electric car enthusiasts. So actually there are quite a lot of electric car enthusiasts nowadays. Especially if in 2035, it is likely that 80% of people in the world will switch from petrol/diesel fueled cars to electric powered cars. So, in my opinion, all of these plans will most likely come true, because even now in several countries there are already many citizens who use electric-powered cars. Such as China, Norway, Iceland and Sweden.

Then in my opinion in the future electric cars will indeed be a vehicle that is most suitable for use. Because electric cars are more environmentally friendly and do not destroy nature in this world. Unlike gasoline-fueled cars, it's clear that all of that is quite damaging to nature. And gasoline fuel is not likely to always be there, due to the limited supply on this earth. So switching to an electric car is indeed the right thing. But all of that really requires careful preparation throughout the world, because like battery charging stations, there must be existing and evenly distributed in various countries. But I'm sure all those plans will most likely come true.

Yes, the popularity of electric automobiles continues to grow, and manufacturers like Tesla have become household names. But isn't it a little bit unrealistic to expect that 80% of people will make the move to electric automobiles by 2035? Such a radical transformation necessitates substantial adjustments to existing infrastructure. There should be as many charging stations as there are gas stations. And what about electrical grids? Can they take care of the extra work?

You are correct that electric cars have a smaller environmental impact than gas-powered vehicles. However, "less than" does not mean "none." These automobiles and their batteries nevertheless have an environmental impact during production. Who or what generates the power? If it is caused by the combustion of fossil fuels, then all we are doing is relocating the pollution.

[karabiber]

So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

There is every tendency it could be achieved because I believe that they are more technological enclind, like from the part of my country where CO2 is that common we may find it very difficult for ruling out a diesel and fuel engine cars. The electric engine are more environmental and economical friendly which is far more better and easier to use than C02. As per the price, as time keeps going the more lesser it becomes because usually when a newly products is being flooded in the market there would be a higher demand which could possibly inflate the cost price since is on a higher demand but with time it becomes available as usual vehicle after fuel/diesel might have gotten rid off.

Technological advancement isn't the hindrance, but rather the companies that are built around petrol. These guys will try their hardest to prevent electric car domination, and it will be the hardest battle that electric car manufacturer will encounter. People are actually raring to buy electric cars, and are actually opting for the said cleaner alternative for transportation. But what can they do if the governments themselves are not cooperating with this advancement?

With the decision of a handful of people, gasoline and diesel fueled cars will not be in 2035, is it? I don't want to say bad things. The decision of the so called decision makers who think about our world more than themselves does not bind me. If the countries that call themselves the knight of democracy can take this decision alone, it is not possible to talk about democracy. This decision which will be very critical, should be asked to the public first.

It is completely bogus that electric cars do not harm the environment and it is a decision that will do nothing but cut down on people's transportation. Electric cars do not make long distances and hot weather is very dangerous for these cars. Stopping a system that has been going on uninterrupted for 100 years is nothing short of utter stupidity. I will defend Gasoline and Diesel forever. They are indispensable elements for the development of humanity and civilization.

[bakasabo]

I really don't have a problem with the range, mine can reach up to 450km for a full battery, and that's more than enough for my daily commute. I have done a 500km+ road trip and I don't find any discomfort since there is a fast charging facility on each rest area along the toll road. But I do agree that the charging time is a problem, with home charging you need more than 6h to charge the battery from 10% to 80% it's not a problem if you always remember to charge the car. I once forgot to charge it and need to travel extra 18km for a fast charging that I don't actually need, just to charge the car, I waste more than 1h, 30mins to reach the fast charging and another 40 to charge. There is only one fast charging in the big city that covers like a whole region, or else you need to get in the toll road rest area, and paid extra to enter the toll road. It's annoying.

You see. Charging station are the weakest points in switch to electric cars. Doing 18km to make a fast charge is like 20minutes of your life just to get there. With petrol or diesel you would be on at home already enjoying your dinner. Long charging time, even with fast charge is the problem. As soon as we get such charging station everywhere, charging price would go up. This is millions or billions to be spend on installment and etc. And most important, no one hasnt invented a real fast charger. 40min for a fast charge is still a lot of time. With driving time here and there it could be 1/24 of a day. Are people ready to spend so much time just to charge their car?

[Argoo]

With the decision of a handful of people, gasoline and diesel fueled cars will not be in 2035, is it? I don't want to say bad things. The decision of the so called decision makers who think about our world more than themselves does not bind me. If the countries that call themselves the knight of democracy can take this decision alone, it is not possible to talk about democracy. This decision which will be very critical, should be asked to the public first.

It is completely bogus that electric cars do not harm the environment and it is a decision that will do nothing but cut down on people's transportation. Electric cars do not make long distances and hot weather is very dangerous for these cars. Stopping a system that has been going on uninterrupted for 100 years is nothing short of utter stupidity. I will defend Gasoline and Diesel forever. They are indispensable elements for the development of humanity and civilization.

In recent years, we have experienced dramatic climate change very strongly. At the same time, scientists and experts argue that it will become worse every year if humanity does not radically change its behavior in relation to environmental damage. Largely due to the high consumption of oil, gas and coal, humanity has come to the brink of destroying itself and its planet. Therefore, states and their unions will be forced to take very tough measures to prevent this from happening. The transition to electric cars and the abandonment of gasoline and diesel engines is just the beginning of such global changes. And no one will any longer look at the whims of individual groups of people or even individual states. Those who oppose will face very severe sanctions and punishments.

[Antotena]

With the decision of a handful of people, gasoline and diesel fueled cars will not be in 2035, is it? I don't want to say bad things. The decision of the so called decision makers who think about our world more than themselves does not bind me. If the countries that call themselves the knight of democracy can take this decision alone, it is not possible to talk about democracy. This decision which will be very critical, should be asked to the public first.

It is completely bogus that electric cars do not harm the environment and it is a decision that will do nothing but cut down on people's transportation. Electric cars do not make long distances and hot weather is very dangerous for these cars. Stopping a system that has been going on uninterrupted for 100 years is nothing short of utter stupidity. I will defend Gasoline and Diesel forever. They are indispensable elements for the development of humanity and civilization.

In recent years, we have experienced dramatic climate change very strongly. At the same time, scientists and experts argue that it will become worse every year if humanity does not radically change its behavior in relation to environmental damage. Largely due to the high consumption of oil, gas and coal, humanity has come to the brink of destroying itself and its planet. Therefore, states and their unions will be forced to take very tough measures to prevent this from happening. The transition to electric cars and the abandonment of gasoline and diesel engines is just the beginning of such global changes. And no one will any longer look at the whims of individual groups of people or even individual states. Those who oppose will face very severe sanctions and punishments.

Green house emission is a big challenge that need to be tackle. I can't remember where I see something similar to this but it was similar to how the world will be free of green house emissions by 2025 and I think we are just 2 years on the year before reaching that year and look at us today, we are still fighting for the green house emissions from industrial environment and from cars that use fossil fuels.

Why didn't the government also not intervene into renewable energy alternative to make life easy for all, electric car are super expensive, solar electricity is also expensive, these are among the primary thing they need to combat if they want to achieve this by 2030.

[Doan9269]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The use of petrol and diesel may not be stopped by the government yet unless we have a unified use of the alternative to them both, now we have to see the way these alternatives have to served us first, how acceptable are they going to appear to the people and also if truly their use is going to be widely available for everyone without being sentiment, so what we should focused on for now is about how we can encourage and source out for what the people will appreciate and be a long lasting solution for generations, if not, we can be using both the petrol and diesel engine on drvices till there's a success in the introduction of something new, this may be through the use of wind, solar or bio gas means of generation.

[philipma1957]

When electric cars have two battery setups. You can have a 1 minute battery swap thus giving you 100 km cruise. The pack pops out and a charged one pops in.

The main battery would be bigger and allow say 500 km on a slow full charge.

 a two battery system would be decent.

The portable battery would be 100% swappable with all new electric cars.

Ev at 100 percent for all of us can’t happen unless they offer the two battery system .

Personally I would like to see it happen but I know human nature and I doubt it does.

[RamBahadur.Gurung]

All the hydrocarbon run vehicles can't be replaced with electric vehicles. I don't think that it is possible to manufacture enough EV batteries for that purpose. In the earth's crust, we have a limited amount of lithium, cobalt and nickel available and this amount is not enough to manufacture huge number of batteries. So unless someone comes up with some new battery technology, this is never going to happen.

[kingvirtus09]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Electric vehicles are gradually becoming a reality in our country. Because others understand that this would assist with gasoline expenses, it will also help to reduce pollution in cities. There are three-wheeled vehicles, E-bikes, and electric four wheel vehicles.

So, in the future, it may be possible to remove diesel or gasoline from automobiles. I'm not sure if they'll produce something like that doesn't require gasoline for airplanes or ships at sea. I believe it is still unclear at this time.

[DrBeer]

recently sold my favorite Toyota Prado For some time I was looking for a car for myself. I will say this - the next one will most likely be a fully electric car. Now I have also taken a Toyota hybrid Rav4. Beautiful car, comfortable, economical, but with internal combustion engine. Why? If I lived in a country where the situation was peaceful and everything was predictable, I would take an electric car. But... my country is under terrorist attack, and we expect new massive shelling of peaceful cities and infrastructure. So an electric car in my situation is a somewhat risky option. If I can always buy gasoline, I will not be able to charge an electric car, with a certain probability, either it will be very difficult or it will be partially charged. But ... believe in our victory, peaceful life and ... electric car

[Juse14]

recently sold my favorite Toyota Prado For some time I was looking for a car for myself. I will say this - the next one will most likely be a fully electric car. Now I have also taken a Toyota hybrid Rav4. Beautiful car, comfortable, economical, but with internal combustion engine. Why? If I lived in a country where the situation was peaceful and everything was predictable, I would take an electric car. But... my country is under terrorist attack, and we expect new massive shelling of peaceful cities and infrastructure. So an electric car in my situation is a somewhat risky option. If I can always buy gasoline, I will not be able to charge an electric car, with a certain probability, either it will be very difficult or it will be partially charged. But ... believe in our victory, peaceful life and ... electric car

Is it possible for our country to use electric cars, and what about cars that still use petrol, do they have to sell them? or should I throw it away? This will definitely be the same question from everyone. Unfortunately, the government invites us to use electric cars or vehicles but instead petrol is still subsidized, even if the government wants to regulate the use of electric cars for its people, the payment is also subsidized, wouldn't it be nice if we had electric vehicles but the proceeds come from the government. Oh yes, what happens to the cars that people already own, can they exchange them for electric cars? Is all this just rubbish? That's why before taking steps to call for the use of electric vehicles, education must also be provided to the people so that they can save the energy they already have.

[philipma1957]

All the hydrocarbon run vehicles can't be replaced with electric vehicles. I don't think that it is possible to manufacture enough EV batteries for that purpose. In the earth's crust, we have a limited amount of lithium, cobalt and nickel available and this amount is not enough to manufacture huge number of batteries. So unless someone comes up with some new battery technology, this is never going to happen.

Good point if correct.

here is a nickel estimate.
https://nickelinstitute.org/blog/2020/january/reserves-resources-and-recycling-is-there-enough-nickel/

so 89 million left for sure and 300 million for maybe

we mine 2 million yearly.  If all numbers are true the question is how much of the 2 million mined goes to batteries right now.

I get this number  from a google search

Will Adams, Head of Base Metals and Battery Research at Fastmarkets, calculates roughly 45kg of nickel per vehicle, which meant 70,000 tonnes in 2018 growing to perhaps 600,000 tonnes by 2025.

45kg a car

google search says 85 million cars a year.

so 85million x 45 =  3825 million kgs of nickel needed or around 3.825million tons a year

So we go to 5 million tons a year vs 2 million .  we have 89+300= 389

plus we can recycle .  So for nickel it could work.

Not sure about lithium or cobalt

[EFS]

Even if they fix battery problem I don't think it's possible to switch to electric cars by 2035, that's too early. I believe it takes at least 50 years to make that change. EU may push for closer timeframe but for other parts of the world petrol will still dominate. The production and development of electric vehicles is still progressing very slowly. When you calculate the world population and the need for cars, it becomes clear that this isn't possible in the near future.

[philipma1957]

Even if they fix battery problem I don't think it's possible to switch to electric cars by 2035, that's too early. I believe it takes at least 50 years to make that change. EU may push for closer timeframe but for other parts of the world petrol will still dominate. The production and development of electric vehicles is still progressing very slowly. When you calculate the world population and the need for cars, it becomes clear that this isn't possible in the near future.

You know they could do a mix of ev's and hybrids really fast.

I don't understand why they don't push in that method first.

I like the telsa my partner owns one, but they could have a built in gas based generator which would

make the car be able to get to a super charger.

[jasonjm]

Most of the countries in the World are looking to reduce greenhouse gas emissions to play their role in climate protection initiatives. The UK is looking to ban petrol and diesel cars by 2030. Other European countries are also following suit. America also set the goal to reduce the sales of petrol and diesel cars by 2035.
It is clear that shifting to electric vehicles is becoming a reality, and by 2035, it will be implemented in most of the countries.