No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream?

[ChiBitCTy]

Complete pipe dream by that time frame. Here’s the thing I don’t think most people realize about that these batteries made for electric cars are also not good for the planet, they use up a lot resources to make them and I’m not so sure it’s all that much better or a deal at this moment in time or not (environmentally wise).

One day it’ll be all electric or we will learn how harness and store solar power for long periods of time.

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[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Cuba hasnt had new cars built or imported since the 1960's mostly and they did just fine for at least ten years or more.   The drama over the deadline is a bit overspun, it wont matter so much except to the companies selling these cars themselves who require the production to be more seamless then the effect of a dead stop incurs on the industry.   
   Can they make new electric cars appeal to the those used to the convenience of petrol, thats a bigger test I think yes as the dynamics of the two products are different and there is an advantage to consumers if they want it.    Very long journeys still are favored by the very fast refill a car has in its energy, outside of that its all navigable.

If it has been that easy to do, why are many other car producing companies not making moves to create other alternatives that people can use aside the ones that make uses of petrol or diesel engine, if we are that much interested in having new offers that may erase the totally dependence of the use of petrol or diesel cars, then we may still have a long way to go in achieving this, already there are cars that dont depends on that, but the economic sustainability of using those kind of cars must also be well considered.

[TakeItEasy]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Source ---> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/auto/electric-cars/no-petrol/diesel-car-sales-by-2035-european-parliament-approves-ban/articleshow/97939363.cms

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

Still, there are some 12 years for this, as there is an increase of Electric Vehicles so these things will be less with time to time. As we have seen in some countries there are only those cars which are only running through the batteries I mean they are electric and mostly government can take many benefits from it. The European countries love this way of car advancement and especially the young generation which loves cars which run on electricity and they are chargeable instead of petrol and diesel in which they have to fill their cars with diesel which are too costly.

For the young generation, it will be very expensive the cars which run on petrol and diesel and many countries which are average and there are low salaries for the people so they want it.
I think it would be better for the people of these countries that in 2035 we would see all over the countries there will be only Electric Vehicles and there will be no cars that run on petrol and diesel.

[JeffBrad12]

Complete pipe dream by that time frame. Here’s the thing I don’t think most people realize about that these batteries made for electric cars are also not good for the planet, they use up a lot resources to make them and I’m not so sure it’s all that much better or a deal at this moment in time or not (environmentally wise).

One day it’ll be all electric or we will learn how harness and store solar power for long periods of time.

I don't know whether these battery can be recycled, I guess after sometime of use they lost their element characteristics, the mining of these batteries also caused massive environment damage, it makes me think whether electric vehicle is the right path to go, after all there are hydrogen fueled vehicle that quite literally just produce water as its waste.
quite better if compared with electric vehicle though thats only knowing the basic, but the fact that its so expensive producing the hydrogen fuel is a problem on its own.
the thing is right now, we need something thats efficient, cheap to produce while also saving the planet, and I think we need to make decision about this.
whether to go on hydrogen fuel or electric vehicles, though as said, EV on its own have its own implication of polluting just as bad as fossil fuels.

[bakasabo]

Any EV owners here? Would gladly hear your daily driving and charging routine. I have never driven EV. I have no EV owners among close friends, that will tell the truth about EV. All I have are only those who have bought new EV recently and they are still under impression of a new car, than EV car. I can afford to buy a small EV, but the idea of riding 400km in one way to mother-in-law to other city with just 1 charge scares me, as I am not used to planning route from rare electric charge to charger.

[DrBeer]

Why would you want to make people change their cars? Why not let them drive what they want?
I like my car, I wouldn't want to change it. It's has a gasoline engine, has a nice sound that I enjoy while driving. I don't want an electric car that sounds like nothing, doesn't feel like there's a machine inside, isn't fun. I'm fed up with socialists telling me what to do with my life. If they want people to drive electric cars they should compete on the free market. Make electric cars cheaper and better looking than the gasoline cars instead of trying to force people to choose by taxing and fining them.

Is anyone really forcing you to throw away your gasoline-powered car, take the money out of your account and buy an electric car? I honestly don't know of any such examples. There is popularization and promotion of this technology - here I agree. And many people make their choice in favor of electric cars. Some, like me, can use an "intermediate option" - hybrid cars. If my memory serves me correctly, only Norway imposes any legal restrictions on the sale of personal cars with internal combustion engines.... And that's not accurate.) But in Norway the culture of saving nature and ecology is already high, I think people there will massively switch to electric cars without any coercion.

[shinratensei_]

Any EV owners here? Would gladly hear your daily driving and charging routine. I have never driven EV. I have no EV owners among close friends, that will tell the truth about EV. All I have are only those who have bought new EV recently and they are still under impression of a new car, than EV car. I can afford to buy a small EV, but the idea of riding 400km in one way to mother-in-law to other city with just 1 charge scares me, as I am not used to planning route from rare electric charge to charger.

I've tried EV even having long range traveling with it, 400km for every charge is true, usually you will want to have some checkpoint where you gonna stay for few hours to charge and eat some bread and coffee before the battery completely empty. usually if there's charging outlet with fast charging capability then you will have no worry about charging at least 30 minutes you gonna get around 200km range. but its problem when there's no infrastructure for your EV nearby you will think of finding some place to stay and charge using your own charger which usually gonna take a long time more than 3 hours.
thats why its still ineffective, there are many things need to be improved. after all, waiting for hours while using fossil fuel you only need few minutes to get your vehicle running for another hundred kilometers is already a dissappointment on its own, but surely with time, the technology will advance and gets perfected.

[bakasabo]

What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.

[DrBeer]

What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.

Good example with a "catch"
Answer:
- yes, you have to realize that an electric car assumes that you will plan your route with energy consumption in mind. At the moment, when gas stations for e-cars are not so common.
- If you have an electric car, and you "stop" in a place where there is electricity, you can get minimal help when you are pulled a short distance where there is ...an electrical outlet, and "refuel" your car with the minimum amount of energy needed.
- If you have an internal combustion engine and you stop in the middle of a field where the nearest gas station is 50 kilometers away, you also have a very unpleasant situation. The only hope is that someone will share the gasoline, provided that someone either carries a canister or drains the tank, if they have the necessary equipment. Or will pull to the nearest gas station. Where, for example, there may be a lack of the necessary brand of gasoline.... That's a tricky situation, too. Although I agree, there are more gasoline stations than electric stations.

[poodle63]

What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.

I heard that there are many powerbank for car being in development specifically made for EV that you can carry around just in case but then it'd also take up some spaces in the car unlike petrol based vehicles that usually just need some fuel brought from nearest gas station.
but there are many EV manufacturers that offers service to charge when the battery is running out like for example is hyundai, they offer service like emergency service to help but i don't know how effective it is and how wide is their coverage.
meanwhile its still become a problem needs to be solved after all its not uncommon seeing car running out of gas or electricity.

[bakasabo]

What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.

I heard that there are many powerbank for car being in development specifically made for EV that you can carry around just in case but then it'd also take up some spaces in the car unlike petrol based vehicles that usually just need some fuel brought from nearest gas station.
but there are many EV manufacturers that offers service to charge when the battery is running out like for example is hyundai, they offer service like emergency service to help but i don't know how effective it is and how wide is their coverage.
meanwhile its still become a problem needs to be solved after all its not uncommon seeing car running out of gas or electricity.

I am sure that Hyundai will charge EV owner for this service, and powerbanks are partial solution. I mean, you never know when you completely run out of gas or power in your can. It always happens suddenly. With regular car, you can use any bottle, any container to get some fuel. While such powerbanks for EV I think will be sold only in specific shops. And how huge this powerbank has to be? With 1l bottle with petrol you can ride on average 10km, and it isnt heavy. If EV powerbank is as heavy as AC, then it will quite an adventure to bring it back to car from shop if you stuck in a middle of nowhere.

Like I’ve said, I dont have EV and experience with owning it. Maybe I am dramatizing a lot and life with EV is much easier. But right now I am to cautious of having it as a main car and riding it every day without having a headache of how and where to charge.

[EarnOnVictor]

What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.

The drive for no or minimal combustible engine is a good one and will prevail over time, this might only delay more than the world leaders envisaged, yet it's a project that have come and come to stay for the common good of the earth. All your concerns about the EV are only genuine for now, but have you thought of it in the next 30 years when the initiative would have dominated very well?

By then, all this concern of the distance of getting your battery charged or changed would have long gone since many businesses would have been built around it to the point that you might see where you even get your battery fixed and not only charged. The filling station you see today didn't just sprout overnight, it took time, and the more the petrol engines fade away, the more the EV project springs up, and even those petrol stations you referred to would be converted to the EV workshops.

[bakasabo]

What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.

The drive for no or minimal combustible engine is a good one and will prevail over time, this might only delay more than the world leaders envisaged, yet it's a project that have come and come to stay for the common good of the earth. All your concerns about the EV are only genuine for now, but have you thought of it in the next 30 years when the initiative would have dominated very well?

By then, all this concern of the distance of getting your battery charged or changed would have long gone since many businesses would have been built around it to the point that you might see where you even get your battery fixed and not only charged. The filling station you see today didn't just sprout overnight, it took time, and the more the petrol engines fade away, the more the EV project springs up, and even those petrol stations you referred to would be converted to the EV workshops.

First of all, why you talk about next 30 years, when in topic name it is mentioned 2035. It is just 10 years, which is very short period for history of engines, and there suppose to be no petrol/diesel cars, and all the fuel stations gonna be rebuilt to EV chargers. Also consider that petrol/diesel engine engineers dont just sit and wait until their engines becomes useless. Wont it be easier to create more ecology friendly engine, than convert all fuel stations to electric charging stations?

[Sithara007]

First of all, why you talk about next 30 years, when in topic name it is mentioned 2035. It is just 10 years, which is very short period for history of engines, and there suppose to be no petrol/diesel cars, and all the fuel stations gonna be rebuilt to EV chargers. Also consider that petrol/diesel engine engineers dont just sit and wait until their engines becomes useless. Wont it be easier to create more ecology friendly engine, than convert all fuel stations to electric charging stations?

Honestly I don't think that we will reach this target by 2035. Even in the United States, less than 10% of all the vehicles are EV. And in third world nations (except China), this proportion is much lower. Current EV manufacturing capabilities are not sufficient to increase the number of EVs by 30x to 40x by 2035. Setting up the factories is one thing, but ramping up the mining of essential metals such as Lithium, Nickel and Cobalt is another. Honestly I don't think that the Cobalt production can be ramped up by a lot, since a limited amount of this metal exists on earth's crust.

[bakasabo]

Just cant realize what gonna do all the V8-V12 engine fans if the world turns into EV production only. Personally, one of the reasons why I dont like EV is their sound, or I would better say soundless rides. They sound like the trolleybuses. I would pay for petrol car only for hearing roar every time I press pedal. You might say that owners can always install individual exhaust systems and get that roar (modern manufacturers actually do that by installing sound modifiers with V6+several turbines in fast cars, that used to be V8-V12 in past), but that will always be fake.

[carlfebz2]

Just cant realize what gonna do all the V8-V12 engine fans if the world turns into EV production only. Personally, one of the reasons why I dont like EV is their sound, or I would better say soundless rides. They sound like the trolleybuses. I would pay for petrol car only for hearing roar every time I press pedal. You might say that owners can always install individual exhaust systems and get that roar (modern manufacturers actually do that by installing sound modifiers with V6+several turbines in fast cars, that used to be V8-V12 in past), but that will always be fake.

If you are a car enthusiast then hearing out that V12 or V8 sound would really be just music to the ears on which i do completely agree, but if you are really just that in concern with that then pretty sure
car manufacturer who had switch to EV path would definitely be considering on putting up some speakers just to hear out that ICE kind of sound which would really be that giving out that kind of vibe
but for me then it would really be just still not that enough since you know deep inside that it isnt real. Even myself doesnt really like that kind of thing.Yes, when it comes to efficiency
and really that helping about surroundings due to green energy but i cant really just that resist that with the current internal combustion engine cars is really that still preferable.

If it turns out that there would really be some flipping out with those ICE cars then there's nothing we can do about it but pretty much sure that those old models will definitely be increasing its price?Possibly.
Also, making up that full integration or switch will really be taking up some time which we know that maintaining EV"s wont really come cheap and from that battery alone
then you would definitely be that thinking up twice when time comes.

[bakasabo]

Just my few cents about engine and exhaust sound:

Motorcyclists modify their exhaust system by making it laud not only to piss everyone off, but also to increase their passive safety. If you hear it, you are warned. EV are sometimes so silent, that you sometimes can be scared by their sudden appearance. I think that engine sound increases a bit overall safety. Sometimes people dont bother looking left and right when they pass the street, but hearing incoming car might give that extra 1% of safety.

[Promocodeudo]

The total face-off for this petroleum product is not obtainable, we can only say that the price will reduce drastically because of the new measure on the ground as an alternative, despite that carbon monoxide is a dangerous gas people still prefer gasoline engines because it is more powerful and can discharge its command effectively than electric, much work needs to be done in other to get this alternative energy effective, remodeling of batteries that will feet particular stuff that's meant for, so, for now we should wait for improvement.

[poodle63]

What about the case when you ran out of energy and closest charging station is kilometers away? With regular fuel, you can just walk to gas station, get canister and return. In case there are no cars the are passing by. With EV, you cant just get a small battery at charging station. I agree that this case is more like an exception. But there are cases when charge meter gets a bug and shows you incorrect info. With cars that runs on fuel it is a bit easier. Even if you ran out of fuel, you can still use your AC battery to heat the car (in case you travel not alone), leave it with warning lights and walk to fuel station. With EV, once the battery is empty, the car is just a piece of aluminum, plastic and fabric.

I heard that there are many powerbank for car being in development specifically made for EV that you can carry around just in case but then it'd also take up some spaces in the car unlike petrol based vehicles that usually just need some fuel brought from nearest gas station.
but there are many EV manufacturers that offers service to charge when the battery is running out like for example is hyundai, they offer service like emergency service to help but i don't know how effective it is and how wide is their coverage.
meanwhile its still become a problem needs to be solved after all its not uncommon seeing car running out of gas or electricity.

I am sure that Hyundai will charge EV owner for this service, and powerbanks are partial solution. I mean, you never know when you completely run out of gas or power in your can. It always happens suddenly. With regular car, you can use any bottle, any container to get some fuel. While such powerbanks for EV I think will be sold only in specific shops. And how huge this powerbank has to be? With 1l bottle with petrol you can ride on average 10km, and it isnt heavy. If EV powerbank is as heavy as AC, then it will quite an adventure to bring it back to car from shop if you stuck in a middle of nowhere.

Like I’ve said, I dont have EV and experience with owning it. Maybe I am dramatizing a lot and life with EV is much easier. But right now I am to cautious of having it as a main car and riding it every day without having a headache of how and where to charge.

you're definitely not dramatizing, things with EV gets worse with the fact that battery capability is decreasing along the usage and time passed.
there has been many problems about the battery of some EV suddenly empty out of nowhere, this definitely a serious concern if one wanna own EV.
because we don't know if our EV will eventually got some problems like this, even having powerbank will become useless if the battery isn't healthy.
there are still many problems with EV honestly that still gets unexposed, eventually once it becomes more mainstream, it will have many problems surfacing.
thats when the development would advance for this technology.

[STT]

batteries made for electric cars are also not good for the planet

Really depends on the battery chemistry, how its acquired and made also.  The main thing is technology is advancing this whole avenue of power, we have the possibility to use more natural elements and more easily recycled.   If it weren't for progress the battery and solar power route would not be viable anyway, its come so far it doesnt make too much sense to believe we cannot also continue to advance and see even greater gains.
  We should have a variety of routes in future not just one path, it will still be the case both gas and oil have unique properties that are useful and will be used for another century.  My take on why that is again history, coal was surpassed a century ago its not near to the best since then however it has its uses.