No petrol/diesel car sales by 2035/ Reality or dream?

[Ozero]

Absolutely right. If humanity wants to survive and at the same time preserve all life on our planet, economic gain can no longer be applied here. You need to act decisively and toughly.

That's what they want you to think that the survival of the human race is up to you. It's not up to the Russians who are burning down whole cities, but up to you, driving your car to work. You have to cut emissions by 5% by switching to an expensive electric car. If a country like Germany or the UK goes 100% electric cars, it will decrease the global emissions by 0.1%. That's because for the UK their total share of CO2 is 1% and you can't switch off the whole industry, so cars all together will be maybe 10% of UK's emissions and 0.1% globally. At the same time to make up for that demand for batteries China will have to increase their emissions and their share is almost 30% so you won't help the world at all. All you will do is help corporations that make these electric cars and China that produces batteries and emissions will stay as they were. No, scratch that, they will increase, because while UK lowers that by 0.1% and China increases by 0.1%, Russia will burn a couple more villages and lose a few expensive aeroplanes in the process and the world will become warmer.

All the same, Russians are burning entire cities in Ukraine and, of course, they themselves are being burned by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and they are rotting in the fields of Ukraine, which also harms the environment and contributes to global warming.

  Last May, after six months of continuous fighting, the Russians captured the ruins of the small town of Bakhmut and in the process lost about 23,000 of their soldiers killed and about 80,000 wounded. Almost a year later, the Russians had their next victory: on February 17, they occupied the ruins of the town of Avdeevka. At the same time, the commander of the operational-strategic group of troops (OSGV) "Tavria" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Tarnavsky reported that during the four months of the active phase of the Avdeevka defensive operation (from October 10, 2023 to February 17, 2024) in the Avdeevka direction, the total losses of Russian troops amounted to: 47,186 people (killed and wounded), 364 tanks, 748 armored vehicles, 248 artillery systems and other weapons, including 5 downed aircraft.
https://war.gordonua.com/unichtozhili-rezerv-dlja-nastuplenija-tarnavskij-rasskazal-ob-obshchikh-poterjakh-rf-v-bojakh-za-avdeevku-1698176.html

Also, during the assaults on Avdeevka, which covers an area of 30 square kilometers and where about 30,000 people lived before the war, the Russians dropped about 500 tons of explosives on the city with controlled bombs alone. After the Ukrainian Armed Forces retreated to new fortified positions, the Russians shot civilians who came out to meet them. These are considered the “liberators” of the Russian-speaking population in Donbass.

Can you imagine how much heat was released every day from the explosions of thousands of mines, bombs and shells on just one sector of the front and from hundreds and thousands of burning armored vehicles?

[blckhawk]

Tell that to the oil companies and the Arab regions that have a ginormous oil reserves, they wouldn't like the idea that their oil won't be as valuable as they are right now, there's a reason why we're making a meme out of people that have invented an alternative fuel for their cars or just generally inventing something that will help humanity while helping the environment being killed or disappearing after their inventions. For me, it's still a dream, besides the statement that I've said, look at Tesla and other electric powered cars, they don't seem to be performing really well compared to gas guzzling cars, they're also not that looking good compared to those cars, what I mean by that is I'd rather have the '67 Impala than a Tesla because it looks much cooler.

[darkangel11]

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And you'd pay probably the same price for that Impala, if not higher because they can reach north of $40k. If we're talking Vietnam era cars I'm more of a Mustang Shelby fan, but wouldn't say no to a Camaro either. Combustion engine cars were beautiful and although electric engines are good with all the power, torque, low noise, but for them to succeed they'd need more efficient, lighter batteries and the companies would have to price them accordingly and stop trying to make people use electric cars by taxing them and creating no entry zones.

Can you imagine how much heat was released every day from the explosions of thousands of mines, bombs and shells on just one sector of the front and from hundreds and thousands of burning armored vehicles?

Exactly, that's what I'm trying to say. They both sides lost so many people, destroyed land, killed civilians, not to mention local fauna, lost equipment, released harmful smokes that polluted the air and at the same time idiots in Brussels think how to tax people whose cars don't meet Euro 6 standards.

[Fortify]

Many governments are moving to push hard to reduce sales of diesel and petrol cars, the European Parliament has officially approved a law banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the EU from 2035

The landmark law will require carmakers to cut down CO2 emissions by 100 percent.
The 100 percent cut in CO2 emissions from new cars sold would make it impossible to sell petrol or diesel-powered cars in the 27-country bloc. The law that comes into effect in phases that will require a 55 percent cut in CO2 emissions for new cars starting 2030, which is a much higher target in comparison to the current 37.5 percent.

Some reports indicate that the costs of running an electric car are actually lower than the costs of running a car with an internal combustion engine.
So, will this goal be achieved by the year 2035? Will the cars be more efficient and at a good price compared to current prices, or is it a policy that may take decades?

While the amount of electric car sales is definitely going up, it does not seem like the close timeframes - like 2030 or even 2035 are going to be realistic for the most advanced economies to make a shift over. Not only because of the production level of these cars, but they massive amount of infrastructure that still need to be built out in order to properly support such a transition. While it is a noble goal, countries also need to consider how dirty it really is to extract the resources that produce these batteries and also how the electric grid will be powered long term, but this is somewhat alleviated by lots of renewables coming online. That being said, oil production also has a finite shelf life and as it starts to dwindle in future, those costs may play a major part in the transfer.

[bakasabo]

Has anyone monitored how (of if) electricity prices changed when electric EV became more affordable and available? If we take fuel prices, then they during last few years managed to increase almost twice, then the price dropped for 50%, and now its growing again (example, in 2021 diesel cost ~1.10 EUR, then it jumped to ~2,00 EUR, got back to ~1,40 EUR, and now it is around 1,70 EUR). About a year ago (I can measure it as a price stated in my electricity bill, so mine will be constant for next 4 years), the cost of one kW was about 10 cents. I know that some properties have market electricity price policy.

Long story short, does it become less profitable to charge EV than it was several years ago? Where the situation with price is going? I remember that in my childhood diesel cost twice less than petrol, now it is more expensive. Gas used to cost 1/5 of petrol price, now it is only 1/2 cheaper. Are we having the same situation with EV?

[retreat]

Tell that to the oil companies and the Arab regions that have a ginormous oil reserves, they wouldn't like the idea that their oil won't be as valuable as they are right now, there's a reason why we're making a meme out of people that have invented an alternative fuel for their cars or just generally inventing something that will help humanity while helping the environment being killed or disappearing after their inventions. For me, it's still a dream, besides the statement that I've said, look at Tesla and other electric powered cars, they don't seem to be performing really well compared to gas guzzling cars, they're also not that looking good compared to those cars, what I mean by that is I'd rather have the '67 Impala than a Tesla because it looks much cooler.

However, petrol/diesel is still needed by heavy vehicles in developing countries that have limited access to electricity supplies, especially mining vehicles or vehicles for projects in the middle of the forest, which are far from access to electricity. In particular, battery charging infrastructure and various devices related to electric vehicles are still expensive and this is why the adoption of EVs in the future is still hampered and the elimination of petrol/diesel by 2035 is just a dream.

[DrBeer]

Just a couple of days came across information about plans to develop a new "old" engine - water engine - by TOYOTA. Not a hydrogen engine, but a water engine. The benefits are enormous:
1. Technologically, it is an "extension" of the internal combustion engine scheme.
2. the fuel is water, yes it requires purification, but it is still widely available and has a low price.
3. absolutely ecological
4. Does not require global modernization of production.

There is nothing super unique in the development base - hydrogen-powered internal combustion engine, hydrogen is obtained by electrolysis from water.

[pinggoki]

Just a couple of days came across information about plans to develop a new "old" engine - water engine - by TOYOTA. Not a hydrogen engine, but a water engine. The benefits are enormous:
1. Technologically, it is an "extension" of the internal combustion engine scheme.
2. the fuel is water, yes it requires purification, but it is still widely available and has a low price.
3. absolutely ecological
4. Does not require global modernization of production.

There is nothing super unique in the development base - hydrogen-powered internal combustion engine, hydrogen is obtained by electrolysis from water.

Good luck developing that without the CIA or the oil barons killing the main inventor/engineer of the project because that technology is going to be a big threat to them with oil barons being hurt the most because their prime product will lose it's value in the market and their hoard of barrels of oil would be worth next to nothing, they might have some value still because not all will be using water as fuel anytime soon but it's peanuts compared to now and with CIA, they're friends with oil barons so they need to do their bidding to keep the USA in good terms with these oil barons. There's literally something unique with that system and unless you're an inventor too that can prove me wrong, I don't think it's right to discredit the impact that it will entail to the future.

[yohananaomi]

Everyone saw how activists protest against high co2, pollution, cheer for renewable enegry. How they sit on highways, block traffic and etc. From the success of their activity, depends the reality of EV or reduction of petrol/diesel production. What do you think about that? Is there logic in this? Or they will complain and protests also against EV in future?

Here in my country electric vehicles either public transport or private already started rolling out few years ago and the government even has plans to fully modernize public transport into an eco-friendly platforms but public transport groups wants an extension to further evaluate the feasibility study regarding the modernization.

Your government is already thinking about a long-term plan where it is possible that petrol and diesel will become increasingly difficult to obtain and could also be expensive, and indeed, air pollution will become increasingly uncontrollable.Of course, the plan to replace all public transportation with electric power [environmentally friendly] is a necessity and must be implemented immediately because development is also inevitable, nature needs to recover from carbon dioxide pollution, and it needs to be replaced with renewable energy.I think now the whole world is also thinking about continuing to update means of transportation with ones that are environmentally friendly and inevitable.

Absolutely right. If humanity wants to survive and at the same time preserve all life on our planet, economic gain can no longer be applied here. You need to act decisively and toughly. If earlier we believed that global climate change would be slow and that it would not affect us, then in recent years we have clearly seen that we were wrong. Climate change is happening very quickly. Scientists believe that next year the warm Gulf Stream, which washes European countries, may stop and then it will become sharply colder in Europe. But this is just the beginning. Then everything will cascade in geometric progression.

There is no other way to say that there must be firmness in situations where uncontrolled climate change often occurs because humans cannot control themselves to be able to preserve nature well. So there must be firmness in maintaining all of that, and you are right that climate change is currently happening very quickly at any time. It seems like scientists are already worried about this. I think what you are saying will happen in the future when the temperature will change drastically, and it could be that European countries will be colder than usual and tropical countries will be hotter.
Precisely because it is still early days, at least there must be prevention as soon as possible so that fruiting can return to normal.

[Dailyscript]

Tell that to the oil companies and the Arab regions that have a ginormous oil reserves, they wouldn't like the idea that their oil won't be as valuable as they are right now, there's a reason why we're making a meme out of people that have invented an alternative fuel for their cars or just generally inventing something that will help humanity while helping the environment being killed or disappearing after their inventions. For me, it's still a dream, besides the statement that I've said, look at Tesla and other electric powered cars, they don't seem to be performing really well compared to gas guzzling cars, they're also not that looking good compared to those cars, what I mean by that is I'd rather have the '67 Impala than a Tesla because it looks much cooler.

However, petrol/diesel is still needed by heavy vehicles in developing countries that have limited access to electricity supplies, especially mining vehicles or vehicles for projects in the middle of the forest, which are far from access to electricity. In particular, battery charging infrastructure and various devices related to electric vehicles are still expensive and this is why the adoption of EVs in the future is still hampered and the elimination of petrol/diesel by 2035 is just a dream.

Hugeblack saw this coming! It was a vision to him and now it is a reality. Very soon petrol and other fractions of it will all be gone. To be sincere if am fucking rich to the extent i can afford my solars panel and inverter, buy my tesla car. I wont have anything to do with diesel or petrol. The rate at which government are manipulating the price of them is so annoying. And this is affecting countries with the natural resources.

[Lanatsa]

Just a couple of days came across information about plans to develop a new "old" engine - water engine - by TOYOTA. Not a hydrogen engine, but a water engine. The benefits are enormous:
1. Technologically, it is an "extension" of the internal combustion engine scheme.
2. the fuel is water, yes it requires purification, but it is still widely available and has a low price.
3. absolutely ecological
4. Does not require global modernization of production.

There is nothing super unique in the development base - hydrogen-powered internal combustion engine, hydrogen is obtained by electrolysis from water.

Good luck developing that without the CIA or the oil barons killing the main inventor/engineer of the project because that technology is going to be a big threat to them with oil barons being hurt the most because their prime product will lose it's value in the market and their hoard of barrels of oil would be worth next to nothing, they might have some value still because not all will be using water as fuel anytime soon but it's peanuts compared to now and with CIA, they're friends with oil barons so they need to do their bidding to keep the USA in good terms with these oil barons. There's literally something unique with that system and unless you're an inventor too that can prove me wrong, I don't think it's right to discredit the impact that it will entail to the future.

This is what i do really have in mind on which it would really be impossible that there would really be no killing on this one if this one would be pushed through. We do know on how big oil/gas industry and how
many those billionaires are milking from it. Do we really think that they would really be just simply allowing such transition? Even EV's had already quite sometime into its existence but it didnt really that much
getting much more progress or getting that kind of popularity or something like that.  We dont know on what the future holds but we arent that blind that due to this severe pollution on which our mother earth
is really that suffering or having that damage. Its not really that bad on having that transition in between petrol/diesel cars to EV is really that hard.

Reality or dream? There's no way that we could really be able to tell on what would really be that the future holds or what would happen. This is why
if you do see that there's such transitions then human beings would really be just that adjusting into that.

[bakasabo]

I feel like EV is going to have the same faith as petrol cars with gas installation have. It was about economy on first place, and gas seemed to pollute atmosphere less than diesels or petrol. It was a trend. Now where have those gas cars gone? I rarely see advertisement about gas installation, rarely see such cars on trading platforms. EV could have same faith, just a trend. People will try it, fans will keep buying such cars, but majority will still use engines with internal combustion.

[DrBeer]

Just a couple of days came across information about plans to develop a new "old" engine - water engine - by TOYOTA. Not a hydrogen engine, but a water engine. The benefits are enormous:
1. Technologically, it is an "extension" of the internal combustion engine scheme.
2. the fuel is water, yes it requires purification, but it is still widely available and has a low price.
3. absolutely ecological
4. Does not require global modernization of production.

There is nothing super unique in the development base - hydrogen-powered internal combustion engine, hydrogen is obtained by electrolysis from water.

Good luck developing that without the CIA or the oil barons killing the main inventor/engineer of the project because that technology is going to be a big threat to them with oil barons being hurt the most because their prime product will lose it's value in the market and their hoard of barrels of oil would be worth next to nothing, they might have some value still because not all will be using water as fuel anytime soon but it's peanuts compared to now and with CIA, they're friends with oil barons so they need to do their bidding to keep the USA in good terms with these oil barons. There's literally something unique with that system and unless you're an inventor too that can prove me wrong, I don't think it's right to discredit the impact that it will entail to the future.

I'm not in favor of world conspiracy theories, reptiloids, and an oil-based world government
Yes, there are interests of this or that group, but for example, if we talk about oil - if we were such villains as you described it - we would have oil at 2000 dollars per barrel and there was a ban on any means of transportation except for vehicles on the internal combustion engine and every inhabitant of the Earth would be obliged to buy it.
You are not confused that the "owners" of oil are now divided into several groups, absolutely contradictory and with different interests.

The real problem is that 50-30-20 years ago there was no technology, equipment and ability to produce real mass product. In the last decade technology has moved forward very much, so I start to realize ideas that 50 years could exist only as IDEAS, and no one was killed for them

[serveria.com]

A couple of days ago, several big car manufacturers announced that they will keep the conventional internal combustion engines in production. R&D teams are going back to the labs until at least 2039. Why such a decision has been made? Was it caused by the Tesla meltdown in the US this winter? Or perhaps Toyota bosses being sceptical about EV? I'm not sure what was the reason, but many people are starting to admit that EV tech is not mature enough to be used en masse yet. 

[Ozero]

A couple of days ago, several big car manufacturers announced that they will keep the conventional internal combustion engines in production. R&D teams are going back to the labs until at least 2039. Why such a decision has been made? Was it caused by the Tesla meltdown in the US this winter? Or perhaps Toyota bosses being sceptical about EV? I'm not sure what was the reason, but many people are starting to admit that EV tech is not mature enough to be used en masse yet. 

The main thing is that the course towards abandoning gasoline and diesel engines was chosen, although a little late, but correctly. Now we no longer have to take into account the economic side of introducing electric or other engines that are environmentally friendly in comparison. The consequences of global climate change will in any case cause much greater economic damage in the future.

The fact that large manufacturers of gasoline and diesel engines do not really want to change their established production is understandable. But the state can easily “convince” them if it raises their taxes many times over for such environmentally harmful activities.

[Dunamisx]

We already have new innovations and inventions of models of cars that doesn't use petrol as engine fuel, instead they are using solar or other renewable energy source, but more are to be discovered about this varieties on how they can be adopted on a large scale use and duration, we cannot keep using the petroleum as the only dependent source of all moving vehicles, we ,must try to get in more of this new inventions in case of future uncertainties about the abundance of these natural resources and their availability. 

[tsaroz]

This could be a reality considering the pace of Electric vehicles that are increasing around the world. Electric cars has proved them to be superior than ICE ones in performance.
Some people do argue that the electricity produced are done by burning coal or fossil fuel but that's too changing rapidly with the world adopting renewables at an unprecedented rate. The nation I live in generate 90% of electricity from renewables and are planning to get rid of fossil fuel in near future. Along with the adoption of renewables, there should also be promotion for ev adoption so that the adoption is quicker. Not only renewables and ev are better for environment and climate but it also improves the air quality and overall cleanliness of the city. Can't gurantee for everyone but a lot of countries would have 100% EV by 2035.

[WillyAp]

In one of the hottest regions in Venezuela people reported exploding batteries.
Have you fingered yourself in a car whose bottom is full battery and the firefighters roll on with water?
Being electrocuted and not burned 2 choices we have.

Fuel cell is by far the better technique. Personalized transport was as shortsighted as they come.

[RockBell]

We already have new innovations and inventions of models of cars that doesn't use petrol as engine fuel, instead they are using solar or other renewable energy source, but more are to be discovered about this varieties on how they can be adopted on a large scale use and duration, we cannot keep using the petroleum as the only dependent source of all moving vehicles, we ,must try to get in more of this new inventions in case of future uncertainties about the abundance of these natural resources and their availability. 

The era of fuel-using cars is gradually coming to an end because the world is trying to reduce the amount of carbon been producing and if you look at places like Africa most of our cars like 80 % of them are using fuel and too much exposure to carbon dioxide as put our planet to risk. so companies are trying to reduce the production of fossil cars but the problem now is that in the process of providing a solution to our problem, we are creating more problems because even the cars they are trying to provide are not cheap, so how can we afford it when it is at that rate since they don't want to help matters we are going to continue using our fossil cars since those are the once we can afford. if not having an electric car will be nice.

[Hispo]

In one of the hottest regions in Venezuela people reported exploding batteries.
Have you fingered yourself in a car whose bottom is full battery and the firefighters roll on with water?
Being electrocuted and not burned 2 choices we have.

Fuel cell is by far the better technique. Personalized transport was as shortsighted as they come.

Would you care to provide the source of that information about exploding batteries in Venezuela? I am Venezuelan and I have not seen news about it here.
Also, I would like to point out that electrical vehicles here are quite rare and are reserved for people who have much money to pay for those. Even though we are going through a political and economical crisis, this is still an oil producing country and because of it, this may be one of the last countries in this continent which will choose to go through the transition from gasoline to electrical vehicles.
It is simply not convenient for the current political administration to encourage people to switch to electrical vehicles, because of how much this country is dependant on the selling of oil to the inner market and also the our foreign costumers.

By the way, water itself does not conduct electricity, it has to have disolved ions on it for it to be able to transport electrons, nevertheless, it would be possible the water being used by firefighters to indeed have some concentrations of minerals and salts which could make it suitable for the transport of electricity, how knows... It depends on the source of the tap water.