Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[so98nn]

I am happy that I have chosen a few casinos that I keep playing on and happy that I am done with their KYC levels also. So far looks good. If they leak my KYC info when I get old and wait for my death, then they can do any shit thing they want with it. Lolz.
I am not sure why this is so critical for many peeps when they expose it. First thing, if you have the guts to invest in a gambling site then be ready to enter in strict environment of the financial ecosystem. You will be asked for KYC, you will lose a hell lot of money, and you will also few times win big rolls. I think that's what gambling is. If you can't just digest the fact that the casino is going to ask you for KYC sometime in the future, then there is no need to be cry baby about it. It's already covered in their policies all the time. They always put rules in such a way that they can get bent at any time in the future. Just trust a casino and get started with it man.

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[danadc]

it stupid to make an account without reading their terms and conditions.
the front page or registering page is like a landing page of a site, which is made to attract users like you by showing bone like we do with dogs.
seeing your profile tells you are a member of this forum for a long time then why you want to play on other casinos when here people are promoting many big and reputable casinos.
you can read real reviews from members of bitcointalk forum.
always read the terms and services carefully before registering at any platform so you cannot worry about situations like this.

Yes, that's true but there are still people who think it's not important so they don't read the terms and conditions so they experience difficulties and some even experience fraud. We must avoid this by always reading and understanding the rules so that when we finish gambling and want to withdraw the money, we will not experience difficulties. If they know that the casino will probably ask them to do KYC at the time of withdrawal and don't want to do it, they should not continue with the registration process. They can look for other casinos that even have a good reputation along with other casinos on this forum. That will save him from problems that will arise later.

Many people fail to do as you have said here. They barely read through policies, terms and conditions of casinos before engaging and most times as a result of bonus and other enticing events ongoing, they assume that the casino would not be that strict since they are looking for members and they will be at firm grips of their assets but they forget that the casino might the casino is also a business that seeks to gain more profit and in that course would go to any length to secure funds for themselves free of charge and the members that failed to read the casino policies would be the ones to fall prey of such trap. This is the reason why prospective participants are advised to always take their time to read through terms and conditions of service so as not to have any issues in the nearest future with the casino.

Before I didn't read the Tos, for me it was like accepting a story where they didn't say such important things, I didn't give it importance, and because I saw that there were many things and well, I'm lazy if I can read that, I'm one of those who likes it accept things and play, but doing so now is a danger because you don't know what you are accepted and a casino can put all its rules, the ones we don't like in there and once we accept those things we have to comply with them, a casino that having the KYC is something that is normal, it is bad but it is already mandatory for everything, that is why it is important to read the Tos because we do not know what we are getting into.

[bitbollo]

Generally, and also in this case... it's useless blame casino or operator because rules allow them to have these kinds of policies.
The same applies also with FIAT casino or bookmaker. I think that the only solution is always... be ready to complete KYC!
Of course avoid betting from a banned country and use VPN etc etc...

[tjtonmoy]

You can not complain when it is stated clearly in their TOS. Every casino requires KYC because of some law put on them by the government where they are located. But I think the problem here is that they ask for KYC only before withdrawals and not before deposits. If they are serious about their security concerns, they should ask for KYC before deposits and not when you are trying to make a withdrawal.

Seems fishy but who knows what kind of security measurements they are taking for them to ask for KYC on withdraw? If you feel like they are not legit and could turn out to be a scam, then there are other reputable gambling platforms that you can choose from. Always choose one that is here for a long time and will stay in the future too.

[Vladv26]

Just because a casino asks for KYC as soon as you are making your first withdrawal that does not make it a scam. In fact, from my experience that's how most casinos that require KYC operate. They initially let you register and deposit up to a certain limit or until you make your first withdrawal, after which you are required to complete the KYC.

In most cases, you would have been required to complete a KYC anyway at some point while playing at that casino, and it's not like they only ask it to people who are requesting a withdrawal. I am referring to casinos in general, not talking here about the casino that was mentioned in OP. All of this should be mentioned in their T&C, so make sure you read it carefully before registering and making a deposit.

[Wiwo]

Did you read their terms and conditions, ask the support, or even do any research before getting involved? A casino or any platform wouldn't put everything up for you to read before you register but it's your responsibility to do that since you are the one who is going to be using his money to use the services and they will just be providing the services while having their rules written in their terms and conditions which are to be read by the customers themselves.

The problem always narrows down to one thing in such cases, not reading the T&C. Then they come up here, open a topic to make everyone aware how pathetic the named casino is and how they got scammed. Almost every casino that has a licence will enforce KYC to its user. After testing the casino and before making a big deposit it is advised to complete KYC. If you don't then you cannot withdraw. Contacting the support does help but that will take time.

In as much as I agree with you, I will still point out that, a casino that really wanna be true in terms of legitimacy, should never allow a gambler deposit money without first passing kyc verification, if they know they won't allow the same user withdraw same money without passing kyc verification.

Take for example, recently, the drivers license which is the document I used in verifying my account on binance expired, I believed I had no issue since I've already verified my binance account years back before the document expired, but that same week my drivers license expired, I was to deposit some Bitcoin to binance, but I discovered Ive been locked out completely, I can deposit nor withdraw, I was asked to submit my renewed drivers license, or go through another verification process with a new document that isnt expired ..
And since I was yet to apply for my drivers license to be renewed, I had to re-verify my account with my national id card before binance allowed me to deposit ..

They probably would have just allowed me deposit , and then refuse me from withdrawing, which is very bad if you ask me .

Same way you bank account will stop working if your documents used expired and you haven't replaced or renew it,  but then also we have to learn a very important lesson from this,  which is that,  but not allowing you not to be able to carry out any activities on the exchange due to expiration of your driver license is a show of the exchange legitimacy and authenticity because if the allow you to deposit and your money get stocked in there,  it will be a different situation altogether and any platform that allows for such free access is likely to end up scaming at the end.

Because that shows that they never care about the security of the user account and that their concern about is the deposit they want to receive.

[macson]

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Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

stay away from this gambling site mate, this is cheating, on all gambling sites there is no KYC for making deposits lol, believe me, when you one day will withdraw your funds or your winnings, they will make it difficult, it's very good that you read the TOS first because usually people are quite lazy about reading them and in the end, they get stuck when they want to make a withdrawal.  In this forum we have many online casinos that are proven to be very honest, open, trustworthy and have been reviewed by trusted members, while the online gambling sites out there only have fake reviews.

[ethereumhunter]

Many people fail to do as you have said here. They barely read through policies, terms and conditions of casinos before engaging and most times as a result of bonus and other enticing events ongoing, they assume that the casino would not be that strict since they are looking for members and they will be at firm grips of their assets but they forget that the casino might the casino is also a business that seeks to gain more profit and in that course would go to any length to secure funds for themselves free of charge and the members that failed to read the casino policies would be the ones to fall prey of such trap. This is the reason why prospective participants are advised to always take their time to read through terms and conditions of service so as not to have any issues in the nearest future with the casino.

Therefore, it is their own fault because they do not read the casino's policies, terms and conditions before they register, so they get into trouble after gambling at the casino. This will continue to happen over and over again if they still don't want to realize their mistake and start reading the rules. If they already know the rules and it turns out there is a requirement to carry out KYC when they want to withdraw their money, that will be their choice, whether they want to continue registering or look for another casino. If they want to continue registering at the casino, they must be ready if the casino asks them to do KYC. But before they do that, they have to make sure that the casino is trustworthy because we will do KYC on the casino. If everything is certain, we register and deposit some money to gamble.

[delfastTions]

There's no way on getting out with those chains because on the time that the government do sees that they are really that behind when it comes to something. They would really be trying out their best to regulate
everything and since we know that crypto platforms would really be still involving fiat conversions and some banking related transactions then its no surprise that they would really be able to require these business to abide with the laws or rules given which it would really be leaving no choice into those business which it would really be passed up into its users.Somewehat even up to now which there are still known platforms which they dont really ask out even if you do win big amount which they could really be able to release it out without strings attached.

For those new casinos which they do have those alterations when it comes to their terms and conditions then its a bit shady or making out some lock ups without knowing on whats the actual reason
and making some alibi about some violation which it is really that a shit situation to be locked or experienced it out.

It seems to me that fewer and fewer casinos that use payments only in cryptocurrencies ignore the requirements for the need to introduce KYC. 
And this, of course, is understandable simply because they are afraid of trouble from local authorities who require reports on who plays in the casino.  In my opinion, there are fewer and fewer countries and jurisdictions that still allow complete anonymity in payments using cryptocurrencies.  But the vector of combating such anonymity of cryptocurrency payments has been launched for many years and, I think, only countries that are very independent from external influence can resist this. 

Moreover, both the governments and heads of these countries must be brave and independent people.  And there are very few such countries in the world.  But such countries still have a chance to preserve the uniqueness of cryptocurrencies as a tool for anonymous financial transactions, although of course these are rather fantasies far from reality.  But theoretically, a country with a population of about a million or several million people could use such mutual payment systems.  The population would only benefit from this and would be content.  Unfortunately, the government here needs to think strategically based on the interests of the population of this country itself, and with such wise rulers and presidents there is now a big problem in the world. 
Because there are practically none.   

[dezoel]

I am happy that I have chosen a few casinos that I keep playing on and happy that I am done with their KYC levels also. So far looks good. If they leak my KYC info when I get old and wait for my death, then they can do any shit thing they want with it. Lolz.
I am not sure why this is so critical for many peeps when they expose it. First thing, if you have the guts to invest in a gambling site then be ready to enter in strict environment of the financial ecosystem. You will be asked for KYC, you will lose a hell lot of money, and you will also few times win big rolls. I think that's what gambling is. If you can't just digest the fact that the casino is going to ask you for KYC sometime in the future, then there is no need to be cry baby about it. It's already covered in their policies all the time. They always put rules in such a way that they can get bent at any time in the future. Just trust a casino and get started with it man.

Well, I don't know if I should blame the people who are afraid to complete their KYC verification or not because on one way, they are not wrong if they are not comfortable sharing their personal identification with platforms either for privacy concerns or being afraid that their details and information might be used in illegal or unethical ways because a lot of platforms and websites sell customer data to other companies for money and those companies might do the same.

However, I also agree that with the time going forward and the events unfolding every now and then, it's pretty obvious that we won't have any other choice than to complete our KYC verification with certain platforms if we want to use their services or we will simply not have anywhere to go for the same services.

[Haunebu]

I am not sure why this is so critical for many peeps when they expose it. First thing, if you have the guts to invest in a gambling site then be ready to enter in strict environment of the financial ecosystem. You will be asked for KYC, you will lose a hell lot of money, and you will also few times win big rolls. I think that's what gambling is. If you can't just digest the fact that the casino is going to ask you for KYC sometime in the future, then there is no need to be cry baby about it. It's already covered in their policies all the time. They always put rules in such a way that they can get bent at any time in the future. Just trust a casino and get started with it man.

Which rock are you living under? Haven't you heard of the word called privacy and why it matters to so many people around the world? Big companies like Facebook(Meta) got screwed primarily because of privacy concerns.

This is why majority of the gamblers are reluctant to submit their KYC in any crypto gambling site regardless of its reputation. Improve your brainpower!

[AbuBhakar]

I am not sure why this is so critical for many peeps when they expose it. First thing, if you have the guts to invest in a gambling site then be ready to enter in strict environment of the financial ecosystem. You will be asked for KYC, you will lose a hell lot of money, and you will also few times win big rolls. I think that's what gambling is. If you can't just digest the fact that the casino is going to ask you for KYC sometime in the future, then there is no need to be cry baby about it. It's already covered in their policies all the time. They always put rules in such a way that they can get bent at any time in the future. Just trust a casino and get started with it man.

Which rock are you living under? Haven't you heard of the word called privacy and why it matters to so many people around the world? Big companies like Facebook(Meta) got screwed primarily because of privacy concerns.

This is why majority of the gamblers are reluctant to submit their KYC in any crypto gambling site regardless of its reputation. Improve your brainpower!

There’s actually nothing wrong on what he said. Casino belongs to gambling industry which AML policy is strictly implemented by their licensor. It’s normal to expect KYC on casino with license since regulators will ask for it to them.

Meta is not a financial services so it's consumer has the right to demand about privacy. There's decentralized casino which offers no KYC. But it's really not possible to demand a no KYC feature on a licensed casino.

[coolcoinz]

A copy of Government Issued Photo ID (in some cases front and back depending on the doc)
A selfie of themselves holding the ID doc
A bank statement/Utility Bill

I always find these rules to be awkwardly built to eliminate a percentage of players and allow the casinos to hold on to their funds.
How can you expect someone who gambles on a crypto casino to have a bank account? Maybe the reason they're using crypto is that they're promoting self-custody?

Utility bills are also a funny requirement that not all of us can meet, because when you rent an apartment, the landlord gets the bills in his name and pays them. When I lived like that I never saw a single bill, as the landlord lived in another town and had everything sent to his home address.

The bill and bank statement request has nothing to do with identifying you and all to do with trying to scam you. This should only be asked of players who are suspected of accessing the site from a restricted country.

[Blitzboy]

There's no way on getting out with those chains because on the time that the government do sees that they are really that behind when it comes to something. They would really be trying out their best to regulate
everything and since we know that crypto platforms would really be still involving fiat conversions and some banking related transactions then its no surprise that they would really be able to require these business to abide with the laws or rules given which it would really be leaving no choice into those business which it would really be passed up into its users.Somewehat even up to now which there are still known platforms which they dont really ask out even if you do win big amount which they could really be able to release it out without strings attached.

For those new casinos which they do have those alterations when it comes to their terms and conditions then its a bit shady or making out some lock ups without knowing on whats the actual reason
and making some alibi about some violation which it is really that a shit situation to be locked or experienced it out.

It seems to me that fewer and fewer casinos that use payments only in cryptocurrencies ignore the requirements for the need to introduce KYC. 
And this, of course, is understandable simply because they are afraid of trouble from local authorities who require reports on who plays in the casino.  In my opinion, there are fewer and fewer countries and jurisdictions that still allow complete anonymity in payments using cryptocurrencies.  But the vector of combating such anonymity of cryptocurrency payments has been launched for many years and, I think, only countries that are very independent from external influence can resist this. 

Moreover, both the governments and heads of these countries must be brave and independent people.  And there are very few such countries in the world.  But such countries still have a chance to preserve the uniqueness of cryptocurrencies as a tool for anonymous financial transactions, although of course these are rather fantasies far from reality.  But theoretically, a country with a population of about a million or several million people could use such mutual payment systems.  The population would only benefit from this and would be content.  Unfortunately, the government here needs to think strategically based on the interests of the population of this country itself, and with such wise rulers and presidents there is now a big problem in the world. 
Because there are practically none.   

Authorities are just extending their power reach. In an ideal world where the government actually cares for its people, wouldnt it be in everyone's best interest to let anonymous payments slide? At the end of the day, they want control, nothing more.

Think about it, they say its for our good, but is it really? If a small country does decide to preserve the anonymity of crypto, it would be a slap in the face for larger nations that bully smaller ones into submission. But these "brave" governments you speak of are practically extinct. Even if they exist, they're walking on eggshells, under the thumb of some global powerhouse.

[Cling18]

A copy of Government Issued Photo ID (in some cases front and back depending on the doc)
A selfie of themselves holding the ID doc
A bank statement/Utility Bill

I always find these rules to be awkwardly built to eliminate a percentage of players and allow the casinos to hold on to their funds.
How can you expect someone who gambles on a crypto casino to have a bank account? Maybe the reason they're using crypto is that they're promoting self-custody?

Utility bills are also a funny requirement that not all of us can meet, because when you rent an apartment, the landlord gets the bills in his name and pays them. When I lived like that I never saw a single bill, as the landlord lived in another town and had everything sent to his home address.

The bill and bank statement request has nothing to do with identifying you and all to do with trying to scam you. This should only be asked of players who are suspected of accessing the site from a restricted country.

Well, it's the fact that we have to deal with. No matter how hard it is to provide the KYC requirements, we still need to comply with it to be able to transact and access all the features of a casino that we have to play with. There are still other alternatives if we want to. If we want to play with the casino of our choice freely then we must meet the requirements.
In our country, in case we're renting and we need to put our utility bills under our names, we usually ask for certificate of actual occupancy which is usually provided by the local government unit. If we're having some trouble with it then we can look for casinos that won't totally ask for KYC yet we should still check if they're legit.

[darkangel11]

As long as it's clearly written in the ToS and you are forced to accept it prior to being allowed to deposit it's fine to demand KYC. Most casinos have to do it to be licensed.
The problem starts when ToS is hidden and that rule is in fine print, hidden somewhere among dozen other rules and you're not even asked to read and accept, but can start gambling right after giving them your email and depositing some money. This should be handled on a case to case basis. Not all casinos are bad and want to cheat you, but some do.

Well, it's the fact that we have to deal with. No matter how hard it is to provide the KYC requirements, we still need to comply with it to be able to transact and access all the features of a casino that we have to play with.

Of course. The point is that some casinos don't require KYC at the beginning and then make it hard for users to pass when they have a decent amount of money to withdraw. I literally saw a casino quote their ToS that says they have 30 days to process your KYC, so imagine that you have $10k in crypto and the coin has just pumped. You want to withdraw and sell it, but have to wait a month until they clear you...
Not to mention that one casino demanded that a player's utility bill is translated to English by the company that issues it... Imagine how long that would take!

[slapper]

A copy of Government Issued Photo ID (in some cases front and back depending on the doc)
A selfie of themselves holding the ID doc
A bank statement/Utility Bill

I always find these rules to be awkwardly built to eliminate a percentage of players and allow the casinos to hold on to their funds.
How can you expect someone who gambles on a crypto casino to have a bank account? Maybe the reason they're using crypto is that they're promoting self-custody?

Utility bills are also a funny requirement that not all of us can meet, because when you rent an apartment, the landlord gets the bills in his name and pays them. When I lived like that I never saw a single bill, as the landlord lived in another town and had everything sent to his home address.

The bill and bank statement request has nothing to do with identifying you and all to do with trying to scam you. This should only be asked of players who are suspected of accessing the site from a restricted country.

Well, it's the fact that we have to deal with. No matter how hard it is to provide the KYC requirements, we still need to comply with it to be able to transact and access all the features of a casino that we have to play with. There are still other alternatives if we want to. If we want to play with the casino of our choice freely then we must meet the requirements.
In our country, in case we're renting and we need to put our utility bills under our names, we usually ask for certificate of actual occupancy which is usually provided by the local government unit. If we're having some trouble with it then we can look for casinos that won't totally ask for KYC yet we should still check if they're legit.

So, we're now complaining about how "tedious" KYC's rules are, right? Well, let me tell you the hard truth about this. Online casinos are not a place for people who don't know what they're doing. Even though KYC has its problems, it is the guardian and a necessary step for anyone who wants to play the game seriously. Now, this certificate of real occupancy you're talking about is a pretty good way to get out of paying rent, isn't it? But keep in mind that every secret and short cut has its own set of risks. Looking for casinos that don't require you to give your name and address? Well, I hope you win that bet. But I have to say it again: the Internet is a vast pit full of traps. Make sure you don't become just another victim of the bad side of online gambling. Because in this game, every move counts. Every. Single. Move.

[Salahmu]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

In most of the casinos, kyc verification process doesn't always display on there dashboard of registration it moves step step after the registration you move to another step from there till you get to the last stage that requires the kyc verification but perhaps you only finish the registration and rush into deposit without doing a thorough check about there verification process or if your will be allowed to make withdrawal without kyc those are things you were supposed to check before depositing because almost all the casinos that enable kyc will always allow you to deposit after registration but can't allow you to make withdraw without verifying your kyc but that doesn't mean they're scam but that's just there policy, perhaps is always advisable after registration you go through the casinos to glance through there features before depositing.

Secondly we shouldn't judge a casinos using a banned country to no if they will accept the registration or not, of course they will accept it because the registration process only requires email and country perhaps the casino would have rejected the registration from a casino banned country if the registration had required phone number verification because for example in my country there was a time the use of Twitter was banned and when people try registering, at first step using email was successful but when they get to phone number verification they rejected it because of the restriction. So I'm not saying the casino you're referring to is a legit casino or not because I have no idea about the particular casino you're referring to but I only respond on the general perspective of casinos in times of kyc verification process.

[delfastTions]

There's no way on getting out with those chains because on the time that the government do sees that they are really that behind when it comes to something. They would really be trying out their best to regulate
everything and since we know that crypto platforms would really be still involving fiat conversions and some banking related transactions then its no surprise that they would really be able to require these business to abide with the laws or rules given which it would really be leaving no choice into those business which it would really be passed up into its users.Somewehat even up to now which there are still known platforms which they dont really ask out even if you do win big amount which they could really be able to release it out without strings attached.

For those new casinos which they do have those alterations when it comes to their terms and conditions then its a bit shady or making out some lock ups without knowing on whats the actual reason
and making some alibi about some violation which it is really that a shit situation to be locked or experienced it out.

It seems to me that fewer and fewer casinos that use payments only in cryptocurrencies ignore the requirements for the need to introduce KYC. 
And this, of course, is understandable simply because they are afraid of trouble from local authorities who require reports on who plays in the casino.  In my opinion, there are fewer and fewer countries and jurisdictions that still allow complete anonymity in payments using cryptocurrencies.  But the vector of combating such anonymity of cryptocurrency payments has been launched for many years and, I think, only countries that are very independent from external influence can resist this. 

Moreover, both the governments and heads of these countries must be brave and independent people.  And there are very few such countries in the world.  But such countries still have a chance to preserve the uniqueness of cryptocurrencies as a tool for anonymous financial transactions, although of course these are rather fantasies far from reality.  But theoretically, a country with a population of about a million or several million people could use such mutual payment systems.  The population would only benefit from this and would be content.  Unfortunately, the government here needs to think strategically based on the interests of the population of this country itself, and with such wise rulers and presidents there is now a big problem in the world. 
Because there are practically none.   

Authorities are just extending their power reach. In an ideal world where the government actually cares for its people, wouldnt it be in everyone's best interest to let anonymous payments slide? At the end of the day, they want control, nothing more.

Think about it, they say its for our good, but is it really? If a small country does decide to preserve the anonymity of crypto, it would be a slap in the face for larger nations that bully smaller ones into submission. But these "brave" governments you speak of are practically extinct. Even if they exist, they're walking on eggshells, under the thumb of some global powerhouse.

Yeah!  Unfortunately, globalization has indeed greatly contributed to the centralization of control and real power in general throughout the world.  I don’t even know if there is at least one or two leaders of a country in the world now who are truly completely independent of such a world government.  Perhaps only Iran and North Korea somehow meet the criteria for complete independence.  And even that is quite conditional because it also partially depends on the supply of goods from neighboring countries.  For the implementation of the Bitcoin project to the fullest, there is currently not a single suitable country.  Maybe only El Salvador showed at least some courage due to the courage of its young and active president Bukele. 
But even in El Salvador, a complete rejection of $ is not possible now.

[Mr. Magkaisa]

      -   It appears that this is the first time I have seen that passing KYC upon registration is required, because, to my knowledge, we will see and know it in the toss. Then, considering that there is no KYC during registration, it becomes absurd that there is one when it comes to withdrawal.

Another issue is that the KYC is frequently only relevant to casinos that are regulated by a government if the country is created and has met the government's standards. This is common in the cryptocurrency industry.