Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[mak013]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

I think that every casino has such tricks in their ToS. I`ve got return of the bet when i won with the odd about 14. It was "operator mistake". But x2 bet in that match wasn`t "a mistake".
I can`t say that when casino ask KYC - it is scam, but often the casino use to maximize their profit.

Many small or new casinos which don't have enough reputation, they try this type of methods to make player lose or don't give their winnings.
There are a lot, they rejects bets like in your case, they ask for hardest KYC or don't approve your documents, site go down only on your device, etc.
so always play on reputed casinos, and if there is not mistake by you, then you can complaint on sites like askgambler, bitcointalk, etc.

It was a big, well-known casino. I left feedback and got the answer i told: "operator mistake". You can do nothing with it - it is written in ToS. Or they can say about some cheating in the match. And they don`t need to prove something.

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

I think that every casino has such tricks in their ToS. I`ve got return of the bet when i won with the odd about 14. It was "operator mistake". But x2 bet in that match wasn`t "a mistake".
I can`t say that when casino ask KYC - it is scam, but often the casino use to maximize their profit.

If a casino voids such bets then they are going to lose their customer base unless it clearly a mistake from the operator related to odds. And it won't take too long for them to get caught if they are involved in tricky cheatings to avoid paying the won bets.

Casino is just a business too and there is nothing wrong with maximizing their profits as long as they are doing in the right way.

I left it. I think that someone else will make the same. But the result is that i have to spend time for research and try new casino and this casino decreased their loses - i mostly won.

[1714651968]

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[LUCKMCFLY]

Yep, mostly even if you KYC and can withdraw money, you get betting limit that makes gambling in this casino useless. You have to register new user or change casino. I noticed that casino mostly KYC when you`re winning, but i can`t understand when the casino decides to KYC. Sometimes i bet and lose, but get KYC. May be it depends on the match.

To me, those guys in the casinos don't Seem transparent to me , because they are Obviously playing with us and they are making sure that the things they do can be Obvious enough so that they don't work well, I can go into a casino and if they do Something like that to me , I Won't come Back. I'm going to go again, and by the way I'm going there and I'm Talking to my friends not to go Near that casino, what bothers me about casinos like this is that the majority of People who can find them are bad enough for most of us who like Casinos and I'm to Criticize Strongly when they Deceive me , Because I don't like it, they Play with the things that one can do, in this Order of things we when we feel deceived and the caisnouqe do it and do the most to them, it is something Annoying , it is also Annoying when the KYC They Take a long time to Implement it , because they Make you wait a long time and they do not Resolve quickly for the Player to Settle down and Start Playing so that he loses Money and if he Succeeds, then these Types of casinos are very cheating for me, and those who do this type of Practice has nothing in Common.

At the end of the day , a casino who does things Wrong can Realize that When it comes to doing something wrong and taking Advantage , those who lose the most are them , there is no other way, they are the ones who lose the most, I could see that when it comes to to make a casino like this, I don't go , or that's Why I'm very Attentive to the Forum bits to See which Casinos are Actually worth the money, there are Many Reviewers who Always Give and offer the best for us , but when they are honest, when they Really say that before making a Withdrawal they have to Comply with the KYC, but as I have said on many Occasions, before Making any Deposit , the casinos should require the KYC from the Players before making any Deposit , and for this they have What to do and Change the Mentality of Casinos and that is something Difficult , I think that for that to happen there has to be many Crises or something in the Casinos.

I don`t think that we can change it. After the gambler get KYC, he think that he don`t have problems with the casino and continue gambling. Until he get some restriction like bet limit. And they`ll use this trick as long as it possible, telling us that they are struggle with the cheaters

It may be so, but I say that in the future people will look for money no matter how a casino is without KYC , I don't know if decentralized casinos can make a difference and improve in the future, maybe they don't charge every move because they Know that companies will Seek to be more Anonymous and that can have many consequences, especially for casinos that are more centralized and have many clients, because there will be such Persecution that things will be stronger every day there will be people who will always seek to have this type of privileges so that they feel safer when playing, so when we are in a casino we have to be very emphatic in what we are looking for, and if the problem will be this KYC, and although many companies are Doing it for now without problems, it is something which is Still very quiet but People who care about their money will start to give more signals, we are all currently seeing that things with Casinos have changed , that they are now an Obligation to do this KYC thing , but also the Exchanges and almost Everything.

For those reasons we can draw that Conclusion , well I can Draw that conclusion , at one point let's say it's the period of about 3 years where the majority of people realize that the power of bitcoin is destroyed, as they are. At dinner right now , the Price is above $40k , but if the price were to have a rebound of at least $100k, people will Know that this is a safe Asset, where it can be considered without a doubt a valuable asset, even more powerful than the same gold and opting above some solid investments such as Real Estate , the SameGold, oil, among others and that can be unmonitored, with that option, the eras will seek to play and have fun without Restrictions , Because everyone is tired of the fiat System , and with this they can get out of that system Easily, without Going through banks , third parties or as a Government.

[knowngunman]

if KYC is needed, it should be requested as soon as people register. Asking for KYC only when people have funds stuck is a douchebag move, and any company that does this will lose me as a client.

That's how it's supposed to be but opposite is the case nowadays. It's typically best practice to request for KYC upfront because requesting KYC only when funds are stuck will definitely create a stressful and frustrating experience for the customer. It's actually a red flag if a company doesn't have a transparent and straight forward KYC policy and process. Unfortunately, most casinos are found of doing this unless you don't want to to play again. You have no choice other than to accept that controversial KYC policy where they use to say "KYC is not mandatory but they reserve the right to request for it when necessary". It's a big trap and indirectly telling you that KYC is very necessary in a cunning manner.

And yes, the casino will lose you as a client but the big question is are you willing to lose your winning for casinos? I think no, unless the amount is not reasonable and casino will not ask you to complete KYC for just a little amount. If your privacy really matter, one must learn to read and understand every of their terms before clicking on agree and continue.

[EarnOnVictor]

Have seen this many times before and the most famous one is 1xbit scam that have been letting their players deposit , play and lose  but once that player won and need to withdraw? automatically banned that players and will accused of cheating 

I think that every casino has such tricks in their ToS. I`ve got return of the bet when i won with the odd about 14. It was "operator mistake". But x2 bet in that match wasn`t "a mistake".
I can`t say that when casino ask KYC - it is scam, but often the casino use to maximize their profit.

If a casino voids such bets then they are going to lose their customer base unless it clearly a mistake from the operator related to odds. And it won't take too long for them to get caught if they are involved in tricky cheatings to avoid paying the won bets.

Casino is just a business too and there is nothing wrong with maximizing their profits as long as they are doing in the right way.

Can I hear you say that if casinos engage in such T&C scams, they will lose their customers? As a matter of fact, I believe that all of them are doing this, it is only fairer in one casino than the other and they can't do it to every customer, just a few ones that are targetted, especially those ones who have big money or are somewhat threats to the casinos due to their frequent winning. So in this situation, where are you running to, and how do you know you will not be meted with the same experience in another casino? KYC of a thing is one of the ways that casinos are using to cheat their customers, you can imagine the person that had done KYC for the past 2 years, but because the guy is winning, they might be requesting for additional identities in which they could be rejecting consistently and frustrate the person just for him not to use their platform again.

This is real and I don't like it, the house could come up with another idea to send valued winners away better than that. I have witnessed similar cases before, not me but a friend, so I know what I am talking about. Still, some people will be winning and the casino will not stop them, so they know how to moderate their excesses so that it will not be too obvious to the point that everybody altogether will be angry with them. I simply don't know why casinos can't be entirely fair, as to some, they will be quoting unfair terms and conditions just for them not to pay you or kick you out as the case may be.

[Xxmodded]

Quit lot of local casinos in my region have been caught up in such cases,  some to the extent that the player dragged the casino to court but at the end of the day the player still did not get justice,  but just know that the casino is already known as scam casino since the void players bet or refusing to pay players for the winning and blaming it on error from either the odds calculators or providers error.

This has made such casinos avoided by many players who already have information about such standing cases against them and will do whatever it takes to avoid becoming one of such victims of their possible act.

The position of illegal platform casinos is a bit difficult to sue in court because there are no regulations from the government for permits to operate a casino, especially in countries with a Muslim majority, it is certainly difficult to obtain a casino operating permit. I think it wastes too much energy, time and money when taking a casino platform that does not have an operating license from the government to court, it is very clear that the court will openly reject it because casino platforms are not legal and have no legal basis in that country.

I dislike with local casino platform because in my country there are casino platform is not allowed and restrict by government, although have many kinds of casino platform operation but I dislike yet for joining and they have many influencer for promoting their casino site.

[michellee]

if KYC is needed, it should be requested as soon as people register. Asking for KYC only when people have funds stuck is a douchebag move, and any company that does this will lose me as a client.

That's how it's supposed to be but opposite is the case nowadays. It's typically best practice to request for KYC upfront because requesting KYC only when funds are stuck will definitely create a stressful and frustrating experience for the customer. It's actually a red flag if a company doesn't have a transparent and straight forward KYC policy and process. Unfortunately, most casinos are found of doing this unless you don't want to to play again. You have no choice other than to accept that controversial KYC policy where they use to say "KYC is not mandatory but they reserve the right to request for it when necessary". It's a big trap and indirectly telling you that KYC is very necessary in a cunning manner.

And yes, the casino will lose you as a client but the big question is are you willing to lose your winning for casinos? I think no, unless the amount is not reasonable and casino will not ask you to complete KYC for just a little amount. If your privacy really matter, one must learn to read and understand every of their terms before clicking on agree and continue.

And it seems that it has become a habit for many casinos out there to enforce regulations like that. They don't ask for KYC at the start of registration or when gamblers deposit their money, but they ask for it when they want to withdraw their money.

Casinos can give withdrawal limits to gamblers so they don't have to think about KYC if they only withdraw a certain amount of money. We must also be careful and avoid getting caught in that situation. We could ask the support service before we register or deposit the money.

We can know how much money we have to use by asking the support service. And if we want to withdraw the winnings, we must be able to withdraw the money below the limits.

[Wiwo]

Quit lot of local casinos in my region have been caught up in such cases,  some to the extent that the player dragged the casino to court but at the end of the day the player still did not get justice,  but just know that the casino is already known as scam casino since the void players bet or refusing to pay players for the winning and blaming it on error from either the odds calculators or providers error.

This has made such casinos avoided by many players who already have information about such standing cases against them and will do whatever it takes to avoid becoming one of such victims of their possible act.

The position of illegal platform casinos is a bit difficult to sue in court because there are no regulations from the government for permits to operate a casino, especially in countries with a Muslim majority, it is certainly difficult to obtain a casino operating permit. I think it wastes too much energy, time and money when taking a casino platform that does not have an operating license from the government to court, it is very clear that the court will openly reject it because casino platforms are not legal and have no legal basis in that country.

I dislike with local casino platform because in my country there are casino platform is not allowed and restrict by government, although have many kinds of casino platform operation but I dislike yet for joining and they have many influencer for promoting their casino site.

Yeah it a bit difficult to get justice for any wrong done by unlicensed casssino and worst still if gambling is ban in such region where the gambler is located,  and even more so that winning a case against a casino very difficult in general,  it made it more hard for an offence to get the right justice in the long run,  because I have seen a number of such cases against casinos that are taken to court not getting justice at the end sometimes due to corruption and the casino already knowing they way around to deny the gambler justice since they are already used to such act and as a scam casino the will definitely be ready to fight a legal war that is if you can ever get them to court.

The best thing to do is to always play safe on these casinos and by so doing,  you should only gamble on reputable casinos and also make sure to pass through the casino KYC process on time even before you are asked to do so,  because by so doing,  you are putting things in place to avoid future complications such as in this case with the ops,  I am sure that the casino may have mentioned their KYC requirements in their terms of service but the gambler failed to actually read through them to be clear on what faces them at the end.

[mak013]

I don`t think that we can change it. After the gambler get KYC, he think that he don`t have problems with the casino and continue gambling. Until he get some restriction like bet limit. And they`ll use this trick as long as it possible, telling us that they are struggle with the cheaters

It may be so, but I say that in the future people will look for money no matter how a casino is without KYC , I don't know if decentralized casinos can make a difference and improve in the future, maybe they don't charge every move because they Know that companies will Seek to be more Anonymous and that can have many consequences, especially for casinos that are more centralized and have many clients, because there will be such Persecution that things will be stronger every day there will be people who will always seek to have this type of privileges so that they feel safer when playing, so when we are in a casino we have to be very emphatic in what we are looking for, and if the problem will be this KYC, and although many companies are Doing it for now without problems, it is something which is Still very quiet but People who care about their money will start to give more signals, we are all currently seeing that things with Casinos have changed , that they are now an Obligation to do this KYC thing , but also the Exchanges and almost Everything.

For those reasons we can draw that Conclusion , well I can Draw that conclusion , at one point let's say it's the period of about 3 years where the majority of people realize that the power of bitcoin is destroyed, as they are. At dinner right now , the Price is above $40k , but if the price were to have a rebound of at least $100k, people will Know that this is a safe Asset, where it can be considered without a doubt a valuable asset, even more powerful than the same gold and opting above some solid investments such as Real Estate , the SameGold, oil, among others and that can be unmonitored, with that option, the eras will seek to play and have fun without Restrictions , Because everyone is tired of the fiat System , and with this they can get out of that system Easily, without Going through banks , third parties or as a Government.

Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.

[asyakashi]

I don`t think that we can change it. After the gambler get KYC, he think that he don`t have problems with the casino and continue gambling. Until he get some restriction like bet limit. And they`ll use this trick as long as it possible, telling us that they are struggle with the cheaters

It may be so, but I say that in the future people will look for money no matter how a casino is without KYC , I don't know if decentralized casinos can make a difference and improve in the future, maybe they don't charge every move because they Know that companies will Seek to be more Anonymous and that can have many consequences, especially for casinos that are more centralized and have many clients, because there will be such Persecution that things will be stronger every day there will be people who will always seek to have this type of privileges so that they feel safer when playing, so when we are in a casino we have to be very emphatic in what we are looking for, and if the problem will be this KYC, and although many companies are Doing it for now without problems, it is something which is Still very quiet but People who care about their money will start to give more signals, we are all currently seeing that things with Casinos have changed , that they are now an Obligation to do this KYC thing , but also the Exchanges and almost Everything.

For those reasons we can draw that Conclusion , well I can Draw that conclusion , at one point let's say it's the period of about 3 years where the majority of people realize that the power of bitcoin is destroyed, as they are. At dinner right now , the Price is above $40k , but if the price were to have a rebound of at least $100k, people will Know that this is a safe Asset, where it can be considered without a doubt a valuable asset, even more powerful than the same gold and opting above some solid investments such as Real Estate , the SameGold, oil, among others and that can be unmonitored, with that option, the eras will seek to play and have fun without Restrictions , Because everyone is tired of the fiat System , and with this they can get out of that system Easily, without Going through banks , third parties or as a Government.

Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.

political games cannot be eliminated, especially in gambling, maybe the police will play with those who have a lot of money, it's just that if we don't KYC our personal data will be a little safe and most people refuse to give KYC to gambling platforms

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I don`t think that we can change it. After the gambler get KYC, he think that he don`t have problems with the casino and continue gambling. Until he get some restriction like bet limit. And they`ll use this trick as long as it possible, telling us that they are struggle with the cheaters

It may be so, but I say that in the future people will look for money no matter how a casino is without KYC , I don't know if decentralized casinos can make a difference and improve in the future, maybe they don't charge every move because they Know that companies will Seek to be more Anonymous and that can have many consequences, especially for casinos that are more centralized and have many clients, because there will be such Persecution that things will be stronger every day there will be people who will always seek to have this type of privileges so that they feel safer when playing, so when we are in a casino we have to be very emphatic in what we are looking for, and if the problem will be this KYC, and although many companies are Doing it for now without problems, it is something which is Still very quiet but People who care about their money will start to give more signals, we are all currently seeing that things with Casinos have changed , that they are now an Obligation to do this KYC thing , but also the Exchanges and almost Everything.

For those reasons we can draw that Conclusion , well I can Draw that conclusion , at one point let's say it's the period of about 3 years where the majority of people realize that the power of bitcoin is destroyed, as they are. At dinner right now , the Price is above $40k , but if the price were to have a rebound of at least $100k, people will Know that this is a safe Asset, where it can be considered without a doubt a valuable asset, even more powerful than the same gold and opting above some solid investments such as Real Estate , the SameGold, oil, among others and that can be unmonitored, with that option, the eras will seek to play and have fun without Restrictions , Because everyone is tired of the fiat System , and with this they can get out of that system Easily, without Going through banks , third parties or as a Government.

Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.

I don't perfectly understand where you are coming from or where exactly you are driving to, but let me say that, police catching a bitcoiner has nothing to do with the bitcoiner's identity online, police come face to face with alot of people everyday, and if you give them a reason to catch you, they will, that has nothing to do with whether you submitted your kyc document to any entity who then reported to the police that you are into crypto or a gambler.

Myself is from a country where bitcoin transactions are banned, or were banned, and here  I am still doing it, buying and selling bitcoin as it pleased me, the police have never for once catch me or invited me to their station for any questioning or interrogation. I have kyced on a lot of exchanges, in fact, I always verify my identity on every crypto exchange I use, and same also it is with me on gambling casinos, this platforms (the reputable ones) will not just wake up one morning and decide to reveal your personal documents to security agencies except you have committed a crime and an investigation is being carried out.

[SamReomo]

political games cannot be eliminated, especially in gambling, maybe the police will play with those who have a lot of money, it's just that if we don't KYC our personal data will be a little safe and most people refuse to give KYC to gambling platforms

Why would police play with the ones who have a lot of money? I don't think that police has anything to do with the gambling, it would be an out of topic thing. In face as long as we don't share our personal data with anyone especially for KYC purpose then we still have some privacy but when we continue sharing our personal details for KYC verification then there will be no privacy at all.

All of the gambling sites especially the known ones require a form of KYC these days and unfortunately we will have to complete KYC verification willingly or unwillingly. If you want to go for online gambling then be ready for the KYC if you're a high-roller gamblers otherwise you don't have to worry much about KYC.

[Maus0728]

The position of illegal platform casinos is a bit difficult to sue in court because there are no regulations from the government for permits to operate a casino, especially in countries with a Muslim majority, it is certainly difficult to obtain a casino operating permit. I think it wastes too much energy, time and money when taking a casino platform that does not have an operating license from the government to court, it is very clear that the court will openly reject it because casino platforms are not legal and have no legal basis in that country.

I dislike with local casino platform because in my country there are casino platform is not allowed and restrict by government, although have many kinds of casino platform operation but I dislike yet for joining and they have many influencer for promoting their casino site.

Wrong, casinos that don't have it easy when it comes to litigation, they're the easier target because they're the ones that have broken the law by not having a permit/license to operate and any country would be happy to destroy these casinos because they didn't get their taxes out of these profitable businesses and they'll go for it all when they go against these casinos, that's why when these casinos get busted, the owners and the top brass will always choose to flee rather than fight the authority in court.

Also, why would the court reject them when they're illegal? You've said it already, that they are illegal, that's already a court worthy violation. That's also a bullshit to say that a country doesn't have any measures against this kind of case, they're illegal in the country which means that there's a law written that prohibits it and that means that there's a punishment for it in the case that it's violated.

[GiftedMAN]

political games cannot be eliminated, especially in gambling, maybe the police will play with those who have a lot of money, it's just that if we don't KYC our personal data will be a little safe and most people refuse to give KYC to gambling platforms

Why would police play with the ones who have a lot of money? I don't think that police has anything to do with the gambling, it would be an out of topic thing. In face as long as we don't share our personal data with anyone especially for KYC purpose then we still have some privacy but when we continue sharing our personal details for KYC verification then there will be no privacy at all.

All of the gambling sites especially the known ones require a form of KYC these days and unfortunately we will have to complete KYC verification willingly or unwillingly. If you want to go for online gambling then be ready for the KYC if you're a high-roller gamblers otherwise you don't have to worry much about KYC.

we have both KYC and non KYC casinos, so which ever one we are interested in we can register and start betting but non of them can guarantee our successful or winning as a gambler. Once we know what we want to benefit as gamblers we can quickly start betting and trying our luck. Betting has it own risks as gambler and we need to make sure that we gamble responsibly making sure that we don't get addicted to gambling in the shortest means. There are casinos that don't care about us whether we make profits or not, they are just after seeing us gamble and making loses. This kind of casino is not what we really need.

[ScamViruS]

we have both KYC and non KYC casinos, so which ever one we are interested in we can register and start betting but non of them can guarantee our successful or winning as a gambler. Once we know what we want to benefit as gamblers we can quickly start betting and trying our luck. Betting has it own risks as gambler and we need to make sure that we gamble responsibly making sure that we don't get addicted to gambling in the shortest means. There are casinos that don't care about us whether we make profits or not, they are just after seeing us gamble and making loses. This kind of casino is not what we really need.

Non KYC casinos also sometimes force gamblers to do KYC verification. No casino will block a gambler's account for breaking the rules as long as he continues to make losses. The problem starts when a gambler keeps winning regularly and wins a large amount of money. So the casinos claiming non KYC casino sometimes force gamblers to do KYC at the time of withdrawing, so before choosing a casino it is very important to find out how good the reputation of that casino is than looking for a KYC casino, or a non KYC casino.

[Oilacris]

we have both KYC and non KYC casinos, so which ever one we are interested in we can register and start betting but non of them can guarantee our successful or winning as a gambler. Once we know what we want to benefit as gamblers we can quickly start betting and trying our luck. Betting has it own risks as gambler and we need to make sure that we gamble responsibly making sure that we don't get addicted to gambling in the shortest means. There are casinos that don't care about us whether we make profits or not, they are just after seeing us gamble and making loses. This kind of casino is not what we really need.

Non KYC casinos also sometimes force gamblers to do KYC verification. No casino will block a gambler's account for breaking the rules as long as he continues to make losses. The problem starts when a gambler keeps winning regularly and wins a large amount of money. So the casinos claiming non KYC casino sometimes force gamblers to do KYC at the time of withdrawing, so before choosing a casino it is very important to find out how good the reputation of that casino is than looking for a KYC casino, or a non KYC casino.

Yes, you would be able to avoid those headaches if you do just simply stick into those reputable ones.Its true that there would really be those non-KYC at first but on the time that you are
winning big then this is where those issues would really be surfacing or would really be showing up on which it do really sucks if this one really happens because you wont really
be able to know on what you have done and  this is where things turns out to be shit. It would really be that so hassle and would really be that stressful if you do have
locked up funds on a platform specially you do know that you hadnt commit out something or doing something wrong on which it isnt really just that right on that way.

[Hirose UK]

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It was a big, well-known casino. I left feedback and got the answer i told: "operator mistake". You can do nothing with it - it is written in ToS. Or they can say about some cheating in the match. And they don`t need to prove something.

I don't know what actually happened with your bet but when you get win with high odd and then the team just returns the amount of the bet and claims that everything was the operator fault then this doesn't make sense.
Casinos have fairly good system for detecting any problems or errors that occur and of course they should handle these errors from the start instead of making customers disappointed with what they do.
But the requirements contained in Tos regarding KYC are not always used for the casino personal benefit but it all depends on where we gamble, and not all casinos do that kind of thing.

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I left it. I think that someone else will make the same. But the result is that i have to spend time for research and try new casino and this casino decreased their loses - i mostly won.

If it only happens once and of course they say it was an operator error, maybe we can still accept it because it only happened once, but even if it only happened once, it also depends on how much money is at stake and the odds you get.
When large bet with odd big cancelled, plus the result is that we should win big then disappointment is bound to occur.
And in context like this there will be many people who will go looking for another casino if they experience the same thing, it is difficult to find casino that can really give us what we want but at least there are several large, well-reputed casinos that we can use.

[so98nn]

The point mentioned in the OP seems to be focusing on usage of credit card for payment. This is obvious reason any casino would want to verify the KYC in that case. Imagine stolen credit cards being used on casinos, looting the owners without any identity. This money once deposited and wagered can get swapped with other crypto currencies thus preventing anyone to know from where it came?

Thats why better use Bitcoin deposits or other alts so that casinos will never ask for our KYC and it would be more fun to play rather than a burden to verify identity.

In addition, even if casino doesn't ask for KYC then also we need to confirm with tax filing for what purpose the credit card was used. Ultimately it will all come down to that casino and they will also report back. Its better use DEX and only deposit or withdraw in crypto.

[mak013]

Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.

I don't perfectly understand where you are coming from or where exactly you are driving to, but let me say that, police catching a bitcoiner has nothing to do with the bitcoiner's identity online, police come face to face with alot of people everyday, and if you give them a reason to catch you, they will, that has nothing to do with whether you submitted your kyc document to any entity who then reported to the police that you are into crypto or a gambler.

Myself is from a country where bitcoin transactions are banned, or were banned, and here  I am still doing it, buying and selling bitcoin as it pleased me, the police have never for once catch me or invited me to their station for any questioning or interrogation. I have kyced on a lot of exchanges, in fact, I always verify my identity on every crypto exchange I use, and same also it is with me on gambling casinos, this platforms (the reputable ones) will not just wake up one morning and decide to reveal your personal documents to security agencies except you have committed a crime and an investigation is being carried out.

So, as i said, you is too small fish to catch you. The difference between bitcoin criminals and common criminals is that police has not much experience catching bitcoiners. They can catch such users, but they have to make a serious effort for it. If your transactions about $100-$100.000 - it is just waste of time for police. Exchanges and casinos will share your data as the police asks. It is a huge mistake to believe in anonymity in the internet.

[pinggoki]

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No casino will have a hidden policy and still make it known to their customers, Doing this undermines the entire intension of such policy, which is for it to be hidden.
And secondly, I honestly do not know if government usually will have the time to operate a gambling casino, but if they do, then personally, I believe that such casino will be the center of KYC.
But on the other hand, even if governments are to run a gambling casino, it will definitely be an offline casino, not the online one like we all on this forum are already acustomed to.

Anyways, whether government or private online or offline gambling casino, the fact remains that, kyc is something or a process we as gamblers can not run away from forever, we can only avoid casinos with this feature for some time.

I think I've misread and misunderstood it so I might be giving out a bad opinion that's not align with what I truly mean. When I was replying to this, my brain automatically implied with hidden that it's something that's still in the terms and condition but well hidden either by clustering it with words that are fresh in someone's eyes and they might not know or understand it or something that convolutes the simple terms so the readers won't catch on in regards to how they will handle you, your data and your experience in their casino or in short it's implied to me that it's the fine print. Of course if something's hidden, then that means that it's hidden and it won't be shown.

To answer your wondering about the government operating a casino, they have the manpower and gambling is a good source of tax and income if they operate one so it's a must for them to have a department or a government agency that handles gambling and the gambling industry as a whole, if you're a government that can't do that or assign a group of people to manage that small part of your economy and country then you're failing as a government. Totally agree about the KYC part, we need to be able to play with peace and know that we're playing somewhere that's not infested of money launderers.

[Z_MBFM]

Bitcoin costs nothing. No one country allow somebody to print money. So today it costs $40.000, tomorrow - $100.000, a week later - zero. And anonymity is a fake - we regularly see how bitcoin owners are caught by police. We just too small fish for them. That`s why i don`t see any problem with KYC - if someone serious decide to catch some gambler - he can do it even without KYC.

I don't perfectly understand where you are coming from or where exactly you are driving to, but let me say that, police catching a bitcoiner has nothing to do with the bitcoiner's identity online, police come face to face with alot of people everyday, and if you give them a reason to catch you, they will, that has nothing to do with whether you submitted your kyc document to any entity who then reported to the police that you are into crypto or a gambler.

Myself is from a country where bitcoin transactions are banned, or were banned, and here  I am still doing it, buying and selling bitcoin as it pleased me, the police have never for once catch me or invited me to their station for any questioning or interrogation. I have kyced on a lot of exchanges, in fact, I always verify my identity on every crypto exchange I use, and same also it is with me on gambling casinos, this platforms (the reputable ones) will not just wake up one morning and decide to reveal your personal documents to security agencies except you have committed a crime and an investigation is being carried out.

So, as i said, you is too small fish to catch you. The difference between bitcoin criminals and common criminals is that police has not much experience catching bitcoiners. They can catch such users, but they have to make a serious effort for it. If your transactions about $100-$100.000 - it is just waste of time for police. Exchanges and casinos will share your data as the police asks. It is a huge mistake to believe in anonymity in the internet.

Yes, unless it's a minimum million dollar case, the police won't waste time investigating them.  So kyc for gambling, holding or trading with low amount should not be a fear for you.  But one fear is that many casino sites sell users' documents on the black market to perform illegal activities, so you have to be careful about this.  And for this reason, a reputable casino site should be used so that you can be safe from all aspects.  Illegal operators buy documents from users for high fees that many sites cannot afford and sell the documents to them.  So it is better to use reputable sites