Casinos not asking for KYC to register and play, but do require it to withdraw

[CoinMin3r]

If KYC is must, I think they mustn't allow users play/use their casino until they fill their details and get accepted rather than let them deposit and play from the very beginning. It may be somewhere in TOS but letting them play/deposit but deny withdrawal asking KYC is totally unfair and somewhat scam/cheating. Then it will be like one way door. One can enter but can't exit.

[Hamphser]

If KYC is must, I think they mustn't allow users play/use their casino until they fill their details and get accepted rather than let them deposit and play from the very beginning. It may be somewhere in TOS but letting them play/deposit but deny withdrawal asking KYC is totally unfair and somewhat scam/cheating. Then it will be like one way door. One can enter but can't exit.

This do only happen with those scammy sites out there and pretty sure that once a certain person/gambler would really be able to experience this shit condition then it would really be spreading like wildfire
on where platforms/companies wouldnt really be liking that if they are really that running a legit business but if its a scam then it would be surely busted sooner or later. Yes, its written on the terms and conditions but we know that things that stated there could really be changed up and this is something that we should really be thinking into or something that we would really be aware.

In overall, you would really be able to avoid all of these possible experiences if you are really just that simply sticking with the current best and known in the market and dont tend to touch up new platforms
or into those who arent that much popular. Who would really be making up such consideration? I would definitely be sticking into those places on which you do saw that it do gives out that
kind of confidence and worry free.

[Dunamisx]

If KYC is must, I think they mustn't allow users play/use their casino until they fill their details and get accepted rather than let them deposit and play from the very beginning. It may be somewhere in TOS but letting them play/deposit but deny withdrawal asking KYC is totally unfair and somewhat scam/cheating. Then it will be like one way door. One can enter but can't exit.

We will need to understand their own side of view as well because all that matters here is just a business strategy and nothing more, the gambling platforms will prefer seeing that they allow gamblers have the first encounter with their platform and finds it easy to bet without having challenges in doing that, then to later request for kyc in which can be the only reason they can use to hold customers down to their platform for the sake of those that wont be able to provide the requirements for it.

[LUCKMCFLY]

A proper discussion will result to any positive approach so don't hide anything and just be open to your partner about what you are doing.

As long as we do things well and without harming anyone it is better, and if we are aware that we are not doing anything wrong then there is no reason to forget anything about the partner, also if we start to see if a partner is not accompanying us in In good times and in bad times, the least we have to do to reward him is to give him his position in that sense, to tell him something so important, the casino is not a good activity, we cannot allow people to think that, it is something normal, it is fun and it is something that we should always consider doing healthily if we are mature in it, our partner must understand us, in my personal case my wife tells me to bet to see if we win something more.

[EarnOnVictor]

If KYC is must, I think they mustn't allow users play/use their casino until they fill their details and get accepted rather than let them deposit and play from the very beginning. It may be somewhere in TOS but letting them play/deposit but deny withdrawal asking KYC is totally unfair and somewhat scam/cheating. Then it will be like one way door. One can enter but can't exit.

If you are preaching fairness, you might preach from now till eternity and nothing will happen and once the law of the land is backing them up, you have no say here. This is why we should be conversant with the happening around the business we do, and even if we can't read all the terms and conditions, we should endeavour to read the important parts that are crucial to our immediate dealings with the casinos. And as long as a casino is not preaching no-KYC, they have every right to ask you for the KYC completion at any time. It is we customers who should try to be up and doing and expect it at any time if we can't do it from the beginning.

No one will pretend that the KYC is not supposed to be done, and whether they ask for it in the beginning, middle or at the end of our plays and transactions, it does not matter. What matters is for us to make sure that we do it since that's the standard procedure while dealing with duly registered casinos. So, instead of preaching fairness, we should stop being too smart in our ways to be playing too relaxed with good casinos, such gamblers should be blamed and not the casinos when they eventually ask. Even if you are not sure of the casino, why not ask them directly if they will ask you for the KYC completion or not so that you know whether to leave or continue playing with them or find time to complete the KYC earlier instead of crying foul later?

[Onyeeze]

There's what you fail to understand.... They've got T/C's and that should be Thier modus operandi..yeahh? Anything outside that isn't accountable to them... There's no casino that'll hide Thier KYC preference and remind of it when you wanna withdraw... They won't just bother you or make it compulsory at the start,...but ofcourse that gives everyone the privilege to think of boycotting their rules, that's also exactly where the problem comes...

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

every casino platform once their customers to verify before the participate in their platform or deposit any font in their platform except it is the platform of Casino that have the mindset of scamming that we hide their kyc for their customers so it is good for a customer itself to ask for kyc before the person deposit any money in the platform of a casino website because if you have not done your kyc at the certain point a platform of casino might withheld  you not to withdraw, so basically I know that casino platform work according to their rules and regulations.

[Sunderland]

every casino platform once their customers to verify before the participate in their platform or deposit any font in their platform except it is the platform of Casino that have the mindset of scamming that we hide their kyc for their customers so it is good for a customer itself to ask for kyc before the person deposit any money in the platform of a casino website because if you have not done your kyc at the certain point a platform of casino might withheld  you not to withdraw, so basically I know that casino platform work according to their rules and regulations.

Even though you have done with the KYC verification, the casino has the right and its legal for them to ask their players to do KYC again.
So, do not think that after done with the KYC, your account has been whitelisted by the casino.
And the initial KYC is just a basic KYC, you will not be asked to submit source of income/proof of income, video calls, utility bills, etc.

Also, not all casinos that do not provide KYC features or refuse to accept KYC at the beginning are a bad casino. It could be just their marketing tricks to attract new customers.

[paxmao]

If KYC is must, I think they mustn't allow users play/use their casino until they fill their details and get accepted rather than let them deposit and play from the very beginning. It may be somewhere in TOS but letting them play/deposit but deny withdrawal asking KYC is totally unfair and somewhat scam/cheating. Then it will be like one way door. One can enter but can't exit.

It is very obvious that this asymmetric treatment of entry and exit is not casual but rather by design and at this point I wonder if these casinos could not be accused of having money that is illegal, that is, you do not allow withdrawal without identification but they are keeping that cash themselves so, if the money is not legal, they are holding illegal money.

[Onyeeze]

every casino platform once their customers to verify before the participate in their platform or deposit any font in their platform except it is the platform of Casino that have the mindset of scamming that we hide their kyc for their customers so it is good for a customer itself to ask for kyc before the person deposit any money in the platform of a casino website because if you have not done your kyc at the certain point a platform of casino might withheld  you not to withdraw, so basically I know that casino platform work according to their rules and regulations.

Even though you have done with the KYC verification, the casino has the right and its legal for them to ask their players to do KYC again.
So, do not think that after done with the KYC, your account has been whitelisted by the casino.
And the initial KYC is just a basic KYC, you will not be asked to submit source of income/proof of income, video calls, utility bills, etc.

Also, not all casinos that do not provide KYC features or refuse to accept KYC at the beginning are a bad casino. It could be just their marketing tricks to attract new customers.

do you know when Casino have the authority to ask you story update your document for kyc upload or verification it is when the document is not authentic or there is a error somewhere in your document so they will need you to reverify your document so if they do so there are absolutely right because many people use a fake document to verify their casino account based on they have the mindset of scam in them and that is why they refer to use their original and the official document verified casino account so I'm not against them in such art but I know where casino used to do wrong which every person have it own observation

[EarnOnVictor]

every casino platform once their customers to verify before the participate in their platform or deposit any font in their platform except it is the platform of Casino that have the mindset of scamming that we hide their kyc for their customers so it is good for a customer itself to ask for kyc before the person deposit any money in the platform of a casino website because if you have not done your kyc at the certain point a platform of casino might withheld  you not to withdraw, so basically I know that casino platform work according to their rules and regulations.

Even though you have done with the KYC verification, the casino has the right and its legal for them to ask their players to do KYC again.
So, do not think that after done with the KYC, your account has been whitelisted by the casino.
And the initial KYC is just a basic KYC, you will not be asked to submit source of income/proof of income, video calls, utility bills, etc.

Also, not all casinos that do not provide KYC features or refuse to accept KYC at the beginning are a bad casino. It could be just their marketing tricks to attract new customers.

Well, let me take the remark that the casino has the right to demand of you to complete the KYC again as a mistake because, at times, we may not be sensitive to the overbearing nature of these casinos, and this makes us cheat ourselves. Fine, they may ask you to complete the KYC again due to one reason or the other, but is the reason genuine and is the motive right? That's the first thing we should look at here. However, that "right" context is too much power-inclined in my opinion. The reason they often get away with this is because no one has sued them about it, at least, it is not popular if such has happened. We have our rights as well, only that things like this are often overlooked by gamblers.

If sued, the court may overturn their demand and let you withdraw your money from them, so it is not about one "right", it is just because they have that "Power" which you mistake for the "Right." Fine, they can ask you for additional documents as well, that's a better bargain, but still, all these show the excesses and misrepresentation of casinos in my opinion. I tell you, asking for videos, for instance, is just nonsense to me. What if a look-alike did the video? In my family, my brothers may do this for me and nothing will happen. This is why I do not like the idea from the beginning, it has never been a very good way to verify, only that some companies like to make life miserable for their customers for some ulterior reasons, rather than genuine.

[freedomgo]

If KYC is must, I think they mustn't allow users play/use their casino until they fill their details and get accepted rather than let them deposit and play from the very beginning. It may be somewhere in TOS but letting them play/deposit but deny withdrawal asking KYC is totally unfair and somewhat scam/cheating. Then it will be like one way door. One can enter but can't exit.

Might be unfair but if they aren't violating the law then they can legally operate and your complain is nothing. I guess that's just the norms now, even the most popular casinos now doesn't require KYC document right away, they just let your plan, on my part,  I have this casino that I have been using for years now and still my account is KYC free, and mind you, this casino is regulated so it's not really a must for them.

AFAIK, they can initiate that casino if they want to, so if we understand responsible gambling, maybe that's part of it to ensure that we don't break any of their TOS, so we won't face problem in the future, especially when we are winning.

[bSpend]

Just a warning in case it prevents someone from falling into this shitty scheme.

I was checking a crypto-casino with very easy entry just asking email and country, and allowed deposits in the main cryptos. I didn't need to deposit anything to realize that to withdraw funds they did require a complete KYC with ID, etc. I also tested registering from a banned country and even indicating it on the form, and it does not prevent you from making a deposit.

I guess I stated the obvious, but I don't see the point for gamblers in using this.
 
**Snip

Yeah, pretty fair: give me 2K with no questions, but you won't be able to get a penny without fulfilling the rules. I'ts a regulatory joke. Even is a gambler trap: " I'll try to make it a big ammount so it's worth it to do the paperwork, then you loose. Unacceptable

I guess this is it, you are complely right with all that you have said, most especially, your closing remark, so much agree with that.
I've never come across this casino, but already, everything about the is screaming scam, scam, and more scam.

It is totally wrong and unethical to allow potential users to freely register on your casino, and even deposit money and gamble, then turn around to demand full kyc verification from same user upon them requesting a withdrawal of funds, and I guess the big question would be, what then happens if the users is unable to complete the kyc verification process for one reason or the other? Maybe due to the user not having the requested document and so on.
This casino is scammy and I personally feel that their license be revoked, this is if they are even registered.

[virasog]

It is totally wrong and unethical to allow potential users to freely register on your casino, and even deposit money and gamble, then turn around to demand full kyc verification from same user upon them requesting a withdrawal of funds, and I guess the big question would be, what then happens if the users is unable to complete the kyc verification process for one reason or the other? Maybe due to the user not having the requested document and so on.
This casino is scammy and I personally feel that their license be revoked, this is if they are even registered.

My concern is not that the gambler does not have the required documents for KYC but the issue is that even if he has the required documentation for the KYC, the gambling sites may still not accept the KYC if the withdrawal amount is big and they do not want that the gambler becomes eligible for a withdraw.

There are a lot of complications in case you do not want do the KYC initially. I think one should read the terms and conditions first and if there is a KYC requirement at any stage, better do it on the first stage and avoid any problems later. If you do not want to do the KYC, better play at KYC free casino that will not ask for KYC even at the time of withdrawal.

[LUCKMCFLY]

My concern is not that the gambler does not have the required documents for KYC but the issue is that even if he has the required documentation for the KYC, the gambling sites may still not accept the KYC if the withdrawal amount is big and they do not want that the gambler becomes eligible for a withdraw.

In the event that things are like this, that they do not accept the KYC so that I cannot withdraw, that for me is a scam, that is what I would say from the beginning because it is not possible that with everything up to date and they say no, now it is Thus, and apart from a very great lack of respect towards one as a player, apart from everything else in casinos it should be the same, if a person had not won but had lost a large amount of money, then is that fair? If it doesn't matter at all, they don't even bother to see if there was an error in the player's bet or something , but rather that the money was spent and that's it, then those kinds of things are what aren't very fair

[Awaklara]

My concern is not that the gambler does not have the required documents for KYC but the issue is that even if he has the required documentation for the KYC, the gambling sites may still not accept the KYC if the withdrawal amount is big and they do not want that the gambler becomes eligible for a withdraw.

There are a lot of complications in case you do not want do the KYC initially. I think one should read the terms and conditions first and if there is a KYC requirement at any stage, better do it on the first stage and avoid any problems later. If you do not want to do the KYC, better play at KYC free casino that will not ask for KYC even at the time of withdrawal.

Yes, this can be done at the beginning of creating an account so that the desired problems do not occur. I don't know whether if the casino faces a problem with large withdrawals from winnings obtained by members who have done KYC, what other schemes will they use to prevent withdrawals.
It would be very funny if members who had done KYC at the beginning experienced withdrawal problems when they won and were asked to do KYC again. and in most complaints, we can see that the data verification process can be carried out by the casino compliance team in quite a long time.

[samuraijin]

If KYC is must, I think they mustn't allow users play/use their casino until they fill their details and get accepted rather than let them deposit and play from the very beginning. It may be somewhere in TOS but letting them play/deposit but deny withdrawal asking KYC is totally unfair and somewhat scam/cheating. Then it will be like one way door. One can enter but can't exit.

If the gambling site is like that, I'd better look for a site that is really fair, there are no problems regarding doing KYC, but if deposits are permitted and withdrawals are not permitted, that is coercion in the game and could be considered fraudulent, it is better to play at  A well-known gambling site rather than a new gambling site that provides frills and ultimately ends up being fraudulent, I'd rather avoid that so that my money doesn't go to waste on that gambling site.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

If KYC is must, I think they mustn't allow users play/use their casino until they fill their details and get accepted rather than let them deposit and play from the very beginning. It may be somewhere in TOS but letting them play/deposit but deny withdrawal asking KYC is totally unfair and somewhat scam/cheating. Then it will be like one way door. One can enter but can't exit.

That is exactly the point but unfortunately, most casinos really don't give a damn what we the gamblers feel or think their actions (such actions) stand for or represent, and this is mostly because regulation on online casinos arent really strong, if at all it's present, and this is one of the reasons why I am usually of the opinion that registration and licenses that most online gambling casinos obtain to prove their legality in the gambling industry is nothing but for decoration, show and nothing else.
This is why we see that a casino that is fully registered and licensed can one day, wake up and decide to close the casino and run away with customers deposits, and yet, the regulatory body wont do a thing about it, because possibly, they don't even know the faces that operated the scam casino, they (the regulators) were only interested in selling license and nothing else, and yet, they claim to protect consumers.

If regulations was strong enough on online casinos, I believe such cases as casino allowing deposit without kyc, and demanding kyc when it's time for the user to withdraw his or her money; would have been non-existent, because any casino that is caught in such act would be barred or sanctioned heavily.

[ultrloa]

If KYC is must, I think they mustn't allow users play/use their casino until they fill their details and get accepted rather than let them deposit and play from the very beginning. It may be somewhere in TOS but letting them play/deposit but deny withdrawal asking KYC is totally unfair and somewhat scam/cheating. Then it will be like one way door. One can enter but can't exit.

If the gambling site is like that, I'd better look for a site that is really fair, there are no problems regarding doing KYC, but if deposits are permitted and withdrawals are not permitted, that is coercion in the game and could be considered fraudulent, it is better to play at  A well-known gambling site rather than a new gambling site that provides frills and ultimately ends up being fraudulent, I'd rather avoid that so that my money doesn't go to waste on that gambling site.

Lots of reputable casino which is transparent on their KYC process so there's no need to stay on those casino fooling us for saying that they won't need a KYC but suddenly they asked something like this when a player win or there's something they say needed to verify since its pure deception. Fraudulent casino always say they are not KYC compliant casino since this is part of their plan to deceive people and make them think that their identity is safe then scam them. Its good decision to avoid rather than trying to risk since for sure we cannot get a good assurance with those casino who fool people regarding on this situation since for sure we might end up getting compromised by them.

[rodskee]

If KYC is must, I think they mustn't allow users play/use their casino until they fill their details and get accepted rather than let them deposit and play from the very beginning. It may be somewhere in TOS but letting them play/deposit but deny withdrawal asking KYC is totally unfair and somewhat scam/cheating. Then it will be like one way door. One can enter but can't exit.

If the gambling site is like that, I'd better look for a site that is really fair, there are no problems regarding doing KYC, but if deposits are permitted and withdrawals are not permitted, that is coercion in the game and could be considered fraudulent, it is better to play at  A well-known gambling site rather than a new gambling site that provides frills and ultimately ends up being fraudulent, I'd rather avoid that so that my money doesn't go to waste on that gambling site.

this has been the issue from many gambling sites before but its good that recently we are seeing
small percent that is doing this attitude towards their players because like you this seems to be
misleading and fooling gamblers to believe they are have privacy playing but after a time then
will take the privacy from them.

[redsun114]

My concern is not that the gambler does not have the required documents for KYC but the issue is that even if he has the required documentation for the KYC, the gambling sites may still not accept the KYC if the withdrawal amount is big and they do not want that the gambler becomes eligible for a withdraw.

In the event that things are like this, that they do not accept the KYC so that I cannot withdraw, that for me is a scam, that is what I would say from the beginning because it is not possible that with everything up to date and they say no, now it is Thus, and apart from a very great lack of respect towards one as a player, apart from everything else in casinos it should be the same, if a person had not won but had lost a large amount of money, then is that fair? If it doesn't matter at all, they don't even bother to see if there was an error in the player's bet or something , but rather that the money was spent and that's it, then those kinds of things are what aren't very fair

Not that I'm siding them but I won't be hasty and say that, especially if you haven't investigated further. Sure your documents are up to date but the question is, did you follow the instructions that they are telling you, carefully? And what if this casino has a high rating?

Each customer must be respected even if they are not VIP yet but as a business owner, I think they already know this and will try their best to serve us. Sometimes, being too strict can only be a sign of being a professional. It's normal that they will not react on a loss but the player can still report if there is something wrong with it and a legit casino will act accordingly to solve the issue.