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May 05, 2014, 09:30:34 PM
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I might be interested in getting the chips, but I want more than just 50.  AMT sells 50 chips for $4,300 and 75 for $6,450. (http://advancedminers.com/bitcoin-mining-hardware/coin-craft-a1-chip/)
Why would I take such a big hit?  I paid a little over $6,000 for the miner.

Give me 96 chips, the extras for such a long delay, so I can have Technobit assemble them for me with their boards.  This will be roughly an extra $3,600 cost for me, not to mention all the accessories included.  I think that is a very fair deal given the circumstances.



If I really could have a fully assembled, tested and working 1.2Th miner within 7 days though I would probably just choose that option.

We can just send you technobit boards anyway since we're producing them now anyway. What's your order number.

well that's nice that you have technobit boards.... but the key question is... how long does it take for us to receive it?

 
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May 05, 2014, 09:31:50 PM
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Interesting... found this in Bitmine forum:



Notice how much bigger the heat sink is on this.  Also,  the customer claims that the unit blew up because the heat sink fell off.

Apparently those heat sinks are very important.  No wonder both Technobit and Dragon have huge heatsinks on the side of the chip.

Also if you look at your board you'll notice that the components are different and in different spots as well. Don't forget to point that one out.

Well true,  that's because the AMT boards don't have room to add a bigger heat sink.   The capacitors are in the way.


 
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May 05, 2014, 09:33:19 PM
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Interesting... found this in Bitmine forum:



Notice how much bigger the heat sink is on this.  Also,  the customer claims that the unit blew up because the heat sink fell off.

Apparently those heat sinks are very important.  No wonder both Technobit and Dragon have huge heatsinks on the side of the chip.

Also if you look at your board you'll notice that the components are different and in different spots as well. Don't forget to point that one out.

Well true,  that's because the AMT boards don't have room to add a bigger heat sink.   The capacitors are in the way.



And what do those extra capacitors do carlos?
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May 05, 2014, 09:42:15 PM
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Option #9 - Buy those of us who have been suffering a single spondoolies at 1.4Th/s cost is only $4,000 (I will have it hosted myself not to complicate things). It is much cheaper, and I have a great contact over there. We win because we get the miner, you win because this will cost you significantly less than $6,000. Maybe they can also get you a deal where the miners are even cheaper than that if you buy in bulk. Just a side note, the deal will not involve me since I don't work for either company. The other $2000 we can figure out later Wink

Honestly, the 96 chips pay back sounds like the best solution.  You get like 2.4 THs of chips and you can go over to technobit to build the solution.   I like that idea.

So AMT,  how about shipping me 96 Coincraft A1 chips as compensation for the $6,000 I paid you?

 
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May 05, 2014, 09:42:55 PM
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I might be interested in getting the chips, but I want more than just 50.  AMT sells 50 chips for $4,300 and 75 for $6,450. (http://advancedminers.com/bitcoin-mining-hardware/coin-craft-a1-chip/)
Why would I take such a big hit?  I paid a little over $6,000 for the miner.

Give me 96 chips, the extras for such a long delay, so I can have Technobit assemble them for me with their boards.  This will be roughly an extra $3,600 cost for me, not to mention all the accessories that will be needed.  I think that is a very fair deal given the circumstances.



If I really could have a fully assembled, tested and working 1.2Th miner within 7 days though I would probably just choose that option.

+1   Great idea!

 
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May 05, 2014, 09:52:24 PM
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Option #9 - Buy those of us who have been suffering a single spondoolies at 1.4Th/s cost is only $4,000 (I will have it hosted myself not to complicate things). It is much cheaper, and I have a great contact over there. We win because we get the miner, you win because this will cost you significantly less than $6,000. Maybe they can also get you a deal where the miners are even cheaper than that if you buy in bulk. Just a side note, the deal will not involve me since I don't work for either company. The other $2000 we can figure out later Wink

Honestly, the 96 chips pay back sounds like the best solution.  You get like 2.4 THs of chips and you can go over to technobit to build the solution.   I like that idea.

So AMT,  how about shipping me 96 Coincraft A1 chips as compensation for the $6,000 I paid you?

Yea we're not doing that. The option was 40+10. That's what we can afford to do, period. But we appreciate your creativity carlos. Why dont you send the miner back and we'll fix it, lets go back to that option in your case.
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Option #9 - Buy those of us who have been suffering a single spondoolies at 1.4Th/s cost is only $4,000 (I will have it hosted myself not to complicate things). It is much cheaper, and I have a great contact over there. We win because we get the miner, you win because this will cost you significantly less than $6,000. Maybe they can also get you a deal where the miners are even cheaper than that if you buy in bulk. Just a side note, the deal will not involve me since I don't work for either company. The other $2000 we can figure out later Wink

Right, so buying in bulk from one third party, or having said third party produce several miners in a week with our own chips at 6th of what we'd usually pay is what we're referring to. Not buying up ready systems from israeli's with last years chips, or depreciated systems or shipping someone else's brand. We need to whats best for everyone so everyone is satisfied, not just the people that have time to spend on this forum. There are several other individuals that need their equipment as well, we were just getting a feel for it, and it seems like #1 and #3 (depending on the terms) seem to be winning so far. We're still producing a few designs locally as well, and our 4 chip board too. So there are lots of options, finding what works best for everyone is the key here. So guys lets stop inventing options.
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Option #9 - Buy those of us who have been suffering a single spondoolies at 1.4Th/s cost is only $4,000 (I will have it hosted myself not to complicate things). It is much cheaper, and I have a great contact over there. We win because we get the miner, you win because this will cost you significantly less than $6,000. Maybe they can also get you a deal where the miners are even cheaper than that if you buy in bulk. Just a side note, the deal will not involve me since I don't work for either company. The other $2000 we can figure out later Wink

Honestly, the 96 chips pay back sounds like the best solution.  You get like 2.4 THs of chips and you can go over to technobit to build the solution.   I like that idea.

So AMT,  how about shipping me 96 Coincraft A1 chips as compensation for the $6,000 I paid you?

Yea we're not doing that. The option was 40+10. That's what we can afford to do, period. But we appreciate your creativity carlos. Why dont you send the miner back and we'll fix it, lets go back to that option in your case.

Send me the 50 Coincraft chips and you then I'll send you the miner.  That's the deal.

Don't like it,  then I'll invoke the MPP and demand 96 chips instead.


 
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Option #9 - Buy those of us who have been suffering a single spondoolies at 1.4Th/s cost is only $4,000 (I will have it hosted myself not to complicate things). It is much cheaper, and I have a great contact over there. We win because we get the miner, you win because this will cost you significantly less than $6,000. Maybe they can also get you a deal where the miners are even cheaper than that if you buy in bulk. Just a side note, the deal will not involve me since I don't work for either company. The other $2000 we can figure out later Wink

Honestly, the 96 chips pay back sounds like the best solution.  You get like 2.4 THs of chips and you can go over to technobit to build the solution.   I like that idea.

So AMT,  how about shipping me 96 Coincraft A1 chips as compensation for the $6,000 I paid you?

Yea we're not doing that. The option was 40+10. That's what we can afford to do, period. But we appreciate your creativity carlos. Why dont you send the miner back and we'll fix it, lets go back to that option in your case.

Send me the 50 Coincraft chips and you then I'll send you the miner.  That's the deal.

Don't like it,  then I'll invoke the MPP and demand 96 chips instead.



Ok we'll consider it.
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I will take option 1. I don't need a refund but just want to get mining. My original order number was 849. Thank you for your options and suggestions. Is it possible I can get my miner soon? I know you guys have had a lot of stuff thrown your way. Please let me know if I can get my miner soon via this forum. Smiley
Thank you AMT!

Thank you, what's your order number so we can mark you down for that option.
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Option #9 - Buy those of us who have been suffering a single spondoolies at 1.4Th/s cost is only $4,000 (I will have it hosted myself not to complicate things). It is much cheaper, and I have a great contact over there. We win because we get the miner, you win because this will cost you significantly less than $6,000. Maybe they can also get you a deal where the miners are even cheaper than that if you buy in bulk. Just a side note, the deal will not involve me since I don't work for either company. The other $2000 we can figure out later Wink

Right, so buying in bulk from one third party, or having said third party produce several miners in a week with our own chips at 6th of what we'd usually pay is what we're referring to. Not buying up ready systems from israeli's with last years chips, or depreciated systems or shipping someone else's brand. We need to whats best for everyone so everyone is satisfied, not just the people that have time to spend on this forum. There are several other individuals that need their equipment as well, we were just getting a feel for it, and it seems like #1 and #3 (depending on the terms) seem to be winning so far. We're still producing a few designs locally as well, and our 4 chip board too. So there are lots of options, finding what works best for everyone is the key here. So guys lets stop inventing options.

OK, whatever miners you choose, as long as they are stable and meet or exceed hashing requirements. I am somewhat interested in number 3, but would like to know all the costs involved first. If it's fee + electricity perhaps option 1.  I don't really care what year the chips are from, as long as it works and it is safe at this point. I do spend time here on the forum because I have an unfulfilled order from 2013, and I believe my input and ideas are helpful to others here.  I will not offer any more options since you asked. Thank You.

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What is the timeline on new hardware to replace the broken stuff? Do we have a timeline that we can expect for replacement hardware?

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Dan, someone will get back to you on Monday regarding the above. But we don't think we'll be ordering from cointerra. If anything we'll do quick board run in Switzerland (we'll find out on Monday as there is a shortage of components for that design in general after the chinese flooded the market with something similar). Our major issue had to do with our local SMD facility here in philly and the boards as well. We have also been running another design from one of our previous partners for the least week which some clients have already opted to receive instead. We're also looking into a scrypt trade off too.

Thanks for the reply, that sounds great but it takes a lot of time to accomplish what you are suggesting.   I'd rather have some hash power now, or a refund...i don't see what the difference is with re-selling a product from X vs Y, especially if it can be shipped the same day you order it.

I'm just asking for the opportunity to part ways, in a way that we both benefit.

Someone will get back to you on Monday about that.

AMT, i havent heard back this yet.   Please give me a shout when you have a moment and lets see if we can work something out.
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How about you give people that ordered 2, 1.2th miners a 3.2 and people who ordered 1 1.2th a 1.2.th and a 512.. Just a thought......
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AMT_Miners -Have you picked up my non-working 1.2T miner yet from FedEx, please answer.

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How about you give people that ordered 2, 1.2th miners a 3.2 and people who ordered 1 1.2th a 1.2.th and a 512.. Just a thought......

Well make a suggestion which falls within the suggested options. Again we're trying to keep it simple.
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Interesting... found this in Bitmine forum:

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Notice how much bigger the heat sink is on this.  Also,  the customer claims that the unit blew up because the heat sink fell off.

Apparently those heat sinks are very important.  No wonder both Technobit and Dragon have huge heatsinks on the side of the chip.
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Bigger heat sinks good start. Still relying on thermal tape to hod the weight in a most likely vertical orientation. bzzzzt... Could have at least provided a bolt or 2 so gravity doesn't do it's thing when the heat is on. btw, most TT is rated to around 350C (but loses strength long before that) so that got pretty damn hot to be showing damage.

Again, the Technobit pic of their hex miner shows Bergquist Blue thermal gap material encasing the top side of the chips/board area. http://technobit.eu/index.php?id_product=63&controller=product&id_lang=1 Also make s very fine gripper of the heatsink once it cures in 12hrs. the 4 bolts holding the fan certainly help as well...

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AMT: on Option-1, what would us with just the 520 ordered be getting?

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Interesting... found this in Bitmine forum:

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Notice how much bigger the heat sink is on this.  Also,  the customer claims that the unit blew up because the heat sink fell off.

Apparently those heat sinks are very important.  No wonder both Technobit and Dragon have huge heatsinks on the side of the chip.
can I just cry at the ineptitude there...
Bigger heat sinks good start. Still relying on thermal tape to hod the weight in a most likely vertical orientation. bzzzzt... Could have at least provided a bolt or 2 so gravity doesn't do it's thing when the heat is on. btw, most TT is rated to around 350C (but loses strength long before that) so that got pretty damn hot to be showing damage.

Again, the Technobit pic of their hex miner shows Bergquist Blue thermal gap material encasing the top side of the chips/board area. Also make s very fine gripper of the heatsink once it cures in 12hrs. Bet there is also a bolt or 2 used just to make sure...

Your right, the thermal tape technobit uses is one of the reasons it the heat is dispersed well, but it coincides with its design of having the the top heatsink bolted to the bottom via 2 screws. Technobits boards in general are a pain in the ass because they are laid out for a 92mm fan, basically screwing any change of an after market solution to speed things up. So its again back the cnc guy to fix the problem right. The padding we'll be using is manufactured by Fujipoly, and isn't cheap what so ever, but it seems to cut it as well. Aside from the using the brick of aluminum martin uses which will take a week and half to source, we're looking to other faster options. We can actually use our surplus of heatsinks made for the swiss design, which does work, but we're still figuring out the best option for the top heatsink. And we've been playing around with dynatron stuff which seems to work and if we can buy it in bulk at a cheap price, it could be an option as well.
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May 05, 2014, 11:10:45 PM
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AMT please answer the question you skipped over about picking up the broken miner, it's been weeks and I would rather not have it sent back to me.

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