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February 12, 2015, 01:51:12 PM
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He already tried to ask the devs to implement that on Monero but the whitepaper had too many flaws.

Is he working on fixing the flaws?

A few years ago I got the 49ers winning the superbowl at 7 to 1 odds--by the time the superbowl arrived the 49ers were favored over the Ravens and I thought, "Why can't I sell the better odds to people betting on the game and make a buck off my early odds?"

I don't think he contacted us.
We could discuss everything on irc, but so far he never made an attempt to contact us directly.

And yes there are some flaws in the whitepaper and everything has to be discussed in depth but generally speaking colored coins for xmr are not hard todo.

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February 12, 2015, 04:52:34 PM
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So how far are we from a finally ready implementation of the DB?

The DB has been stable for about a month.  Windoze ports are the next milestone.


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Okay, the most fun part will start after the DB and then wallet comes out, that is getting the word out and inviting new people. I have lots of ideas but looks like we have to wait impatiently for the client GUI for quite some time.

Have been waiting since tft announced, even the official facebook page was registered by me Tongue

We have come a long way Smiley
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February 12, 2015, 06:58:37 PM
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Hey gents,

I decided some days ago to propose my previous Reddit writings in a more standalone version. They are now available on my website, and you are free to change the CSS for something more adapted for offline reading, for sharing with people curious about Monero, for advocacy, whatever.

http://david.latapie.name/static/cryptos/XMR/monerodocs-threepillarsofmonero.html
http://david.latapie.name/static/cryptos/XMR/monerodocs-whatisopenalias.html
http://david.latapie.name/static/cryptos/XMR/monerodocs-whyistheofficialguiwalletnotreleasedyet.html

And I just published a fourth paper (I will create a standalone version later), the value of Privacy http://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/2vofl9/the_value_of_privacy/


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Privacy is a virtue, especially when you can turn it on or off at will.

If you utter the word “privacy” regarding Internet (and thus, cryptocurrencies), some people will immediately think "drugs" or even "pedo-pornography". And you will hear the famous "I have nothing to hide". Let’s debunk this.

First, whether or not we have something to hide, we almost certainly have something to protect. Second, not only is privacy nice, but privacy is actually necessary for society. And third, privacy is a right and like any right, you can turn it off if you want - and this is exactly what Monero offers, optional transparency.


Something to protect
Let me show some perfectly legitimate reasons for privacy.

As an individual, you may not want to be targeted based on your spending habits or your location. Perhaps you don't want your family (or ex-family!) to know with whom or at what you are spending your money, especially some sensitive things. There are many reasons, (not comfortable with it, spoiling relationships, blackmailing/kidnapping-magnets...), you may prefer people to ignore how much you earn. You'd rather avoid "neighbours gossipping that you don't give enough to your church or that you spend too much on porn" (Gregory Maxwell). Your landlord should not be able to scan the blockchain to discover you got a raise and so decide to increase the rent, nor should your employer know which NGO you support.

As a company, you don't want competition to know that you signed a contract or to be able to discover trade secrets just by analysing the block chain (customers, supplies purchases, payroll, margins...).

For anyone, there is the risk of accidentally stumbling on tainted money (like what happened to this coinbase user). Go explain to a judge that "you didn't know". After all, if anyone can trace the money, this means that you should have traced it too, right?

And finally, for the cryptocurrency itself, lack of privacy means giving more power to miners than they are supposed to have. If they can identify via the chain, they may "start to impose blacklists, whitelists, redlists, and other intrusive requirements on transactions. [...] Too much mixing? No "SafeChain approved" tag? Etc. Sorry, your transaction never gets into a block." (smooth, who also explains here why we have a tail emission).Remember: evil bit doesn’t exist.

Countless studies have proved that people behave differently when they know they might be watched. Sure, it means they will think twice before committing heinous acts, but it also means they will think twice before acting freely.


The value of privacy
Privacy is not just comfort. Despite all of our rambling about its deliquescence, most of us live in a wealthy First World nation. War-torn countries and totalitarian regimes are places where freedom of press is punishable, sometimes by death, for the journalists but also (and we tend to forget it), for the local informants. When we say we want Monero to be scalable, this also means that those people can use it.

We put so much care into making the blockchain technology resilient from technical failures, but make no effort to make it resilient to political and social failures.


Optional transparency
Privacy is not black and white. There are some cases when you do want transparency. Your company may need to be audited, and a charity or government may wish to, or even be required to, make its accounts publicly visible. Here a transparent blockchain would be acceptable.

But what if you don't want anyone to find out, just a restricted set of persons, like the tax office, the auditors, the shareholders or the charity members? Or, for individuals, what if, as a parent, you would like to monitor what you kids are spending the money you gave them on? You would certainly not want other person to know (this would avoid the drama of children comparing their spendings in the playground, too). In all of these cases, a mandatory transparent blockchain is not a solution.

Monero has a mechanism to address these two situations - the viewkey. A viewkey is a simple file that allows someone in his possession a read-only access to the wallet. This will tell you the balance, the deposits and the withdrawal, but still won't give you the origin and the destination of the transaction, so that the rest of the network is not compromised. If you want to audit a transaction, you can ask the viewkey of both parties and you're set. And if complete access to both wallet is too much (if you only need to verify a given transaction), details of a transaction can be revealed via a similar mechanism on a per-transaction basis. So, you can decide the level of access: everyone, someone, no one.

What does it mean, on top of additional freedom? This means that since Monero plays fair with everyone, governments wouldn't need to outlaw it, as law enforcement could still be given the tools to investigate illicit transactions (although they'd need to ask for the person's viewkey first, but that's no different than asking for someone's password to reveal incriminating evidence on their computer). It is of particularly importance considering attacking a major crypto is surprisingly easy and within a State's reach (and even more so in the case of a coalition).This is what real privacy is about. Caring for all parties involved.



Oh, one more thing: in our blockchain-powered internet of things future (IBM, [Szabo](unenumerated.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-dawn-of-trustworthy-computing.html)], opaque blockchain would help avoiding the pervasive monitoring Snowden revealed to us. You would certainly not want every burglar to know when you are home just by scannng the blockchain, right? Just give the viewkey to selected devices and you’re fine.

Privacy matters.

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February 12, 2015, 09:28:30 PM
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Selling domain monerowallet.com, payment in monero, pm me your offers
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February 12, 2015, 09:48:51 PM
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Selling domain monerowallet.com, payment in monero, pm me your offers

For anyone that would like to create a nice website that shows all current and future monero accounts or anything else based around Monero that you wish(The wallet in the domain name could just be a general term, as I just noticed Monero is using the word account instead of wallet similar to what consumers use irl, "Bank accounts, paypal accounts" , I'll give you monerowallets.com, for free(initially it will be leased so I can make sure it's being used for it's intended purpose)
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February 12, 2015, 10:06:05 PM
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Selling domain monerowallet.com, payment in monero, pm me your offers

Give me 10 XMR and I will take it off your hands.

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February 12, 2015, 10:08:38 PM
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At this point, if you're stuck with using windows, I would highly suggest you investigate Ubuntu (rather than try and compile in windows). I used to think Linux was this big scary beast of a thing, what with the terminal, but now I prefer booting into Ubuntu. The Ubuntu release of linux is essentially like windows - fairly intuitive GUI. You can play with the terminal if you want to (say, if you're using monero!), but for other purposes you can use GUI.
As a reminder, installing Monero on Linux is dead easy, even simpler than on Windows.

Just paste this command line in the terminal, press enter, type your admin password, select your type of install or update, answer y two or three times and you're set.

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cd ~ && rm -f install_monero.sh && wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Quanttek/install_monero/master/install_monero.sh && bash install_monero.sh

The script will be updated once the DB will make it to the main branch.

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February 12, 2015, 11:13:54 PM
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*minor rant* I wish people didn't assume that windows users are all uninitiated newbies or fools. 'windoze' etc does not make you sound clever. I am an experienced sys admin on various Unixes and Linuxes, Macs and Windows and I prefer Windows in general due to superior hardware and software compatibility. *end rant*
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February 12, 2015, 11:45:47 PM
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As a reminder, installing Monero on Linux is dead easy, even simpler than on Windows.

I'd like to add that we specifically moved from Visual Studio to mingw-w64 because it alleviates the gap between the OSs, but also because it makes Windows compulsion easy and predictable.

Seriously, the instructions in the README are specific and easy to follow - I strongly recommend Windows users take the 10 minutes they need to install msys2 and dependencies and see how easy compiling is.

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February 12, 2015, 11:50:07 PM
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Guys, the idea of building a forum from the scratch was nice. However it doesnt work. Even someone from the core team said that it failed. It is 2015 and lacks basic features that every forum in the world have. It is simply not productive.

Please, create a simple, built in 15 minutes, forum like this one. Let a community to be built. Let projects and ideas to be discussed.

Seriously guys, do it now please.

Instead of complaining just list the features you're missing.

Honestly, the amount of effort required to secure SimpleMachines and its brethren (and make it performant and scalable) doesn't make an alternative appealing.

The forum software is not an undertaking we decided upon lightly, it plays directly into some of our future design goals and being able to integrate with those. If there are critical items missing, list them. Plus we're maybe a month away from opening up the GitHub repository, and then anyone can contribute.

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February 13, 2015, 12:00:03 AM
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*minor rant* I wish people didn't assume that windows users are all uninitiated newbies or fools. 'windoze' etc does not make you sound clever. I am an experienced sys admin on various Unixes and Linuxes, Macs and Windows and I prefer Windows in general due to superior hardware and software compatibility. *end rant*

I may not be a pro sysadmin, but I agree with you.
But, imho, typing windoze isn't necessarily a dig on the OS, nor its users.
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February 13, 2015, 12:08:41 AM
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If anyone wants an OpenAlias hosted at moneroaddress.org I will provide the service at 10 XMR per year.

Please PM if interested.

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February 13, 2015, 12:10:35 AM
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Guys, the idea of building a forum from the scratch was nice. However it doesnt work. Even someone from the core team said that it failed. It is 2015 and lacks basic features that every forum in the world have. It is simply not productive.

Please, create a simple, built in 15 minutes, forum like this one. Let a community to be built. Let projects and ideas to be discussed.

Seriously guys, do it now please.

Instead of complaining just list the features you're missing.

Honestly, the amount of effort required to secure SimpleMachines and its brethren (and make it performant and scalable) doesn't make an alternative appealing.

The forum software is not an undertaking we decided upon lightly, it plays directly into some of our future design goals and being able to integrate with those. If there are critical items missing, list them. Plus we're maybe a month away from opening up the GitHub repository, and then anyone can contribute.

I remember there being another forum, not forum.monero.cc, another one. Argh, I forgot it's url, but why not build a temporary forum, for discussion to take place easier until the custom one is fit to everyone's liking?

If anyone has a forum based domain name, Monerotalk/Moneroforum, for ex, then I may be able to help with constructing a forum on it(You can lease the domain name).
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February 13, 2015, 12:13:12 AM
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Guys, the idea of building a forum from the scratch was nice. However it doesnt work. Even someone from the core team said that it failed. It is 2015 and lacks basic features that every forum in the world have. It is simply not productive.

Please, create a simple, built in 15 minutes, forum like this one. Let a community to be built. Let projects and ideas to be discussed.

Seriously guys, do it now please.

Instead of complaining just list the features you're missing.

Honestly, the amount of effort required to secure SimpleMachines and its brethren (and make it performant and scalable) doesn't make an alternative appealing.

The forum software is not an undertaking we decided upon lightly, it plays directly into some of our future design goals and being able to integrate with those. If there are critical items missing, list them. Plus we're maybe a month away from opening up the GitHub repository, and then anyone can contribute.

I remember there being another forum, not forum.monero.cc, another one. Argh, I forgot it's url, but why not build a temporary forum, for discussion to take place easier until the custom one is fit to everyone's liking?

If anyone has a forum based domain name, Monerotalk/Moneroforum, for ex, then I may be able to help with constructing a forum on it(You can lease the domain name).

There's monerotalk.org

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February 13, 2015, 12:13:56 AM
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Guys, the idea of building a forum from the scratch was nice. However it doesnt work. Even someone from the core team said that it failed. It is 2015 and lacks basic features that every forum in the world have. It is simply not productive.

Please, create a simple, built in 15 minutes, forum like this one. Let a community to be built. Let projects and ideas to be discussed.

Seriously guys, do it now please.

Instead of complaining just list the features you're missing.

Honestly, the amount of effort required to secure SimpleMachines and its brethren (and make it performant and scalable) doesn't make an alternative appealing.

The forum software is not an undertaking we decided upon lightly, it plays directly into some of our future design goals and being able to integrate with those. If there are critical items missing, list them. Plus we're maybe a month away from opening up the GitHub repository, and then anyone can contribute.

I remember there being another forum, not forum.monero.cc, another one. Argh, I forgot it's url, but why not build a temporary forum, for discussion to take place easier until the custom one is fit to everyone's liking?

If anyone has a forum based domain name, Monerotalk/Moneroforum, for ex, then I may be able to help with constructing a forum on it(You can lease the domain name).
It's MoneroTalk. Personally, I'm not fan of the reddit layout the official forum is using. A forum and reddit serves two different functions.

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Guys, the idea of building a forum from the scratch was nice. However it doesnt work. Even someone from the core team said that it failed. It is 2015 and lacks basic features that every forum in the world have. It is simply not productive.

Please, create a simple, built in 15 minutes, forum like this one. Let a community to be built. Let projects and ideas to be discussed.

Seriously guys, do it now please.

Instead of complaining just list the features you're missing.

Honestly, the amount of effort required to secure SimpleMachines and its brethren (and make it performant and scalable) doesn't make an alternative appealing.

The forum software is not an undertaking we decided upon lightly, it plays directly into some of our future design goals and being able to integrate with those. If there are critical items missing, list them. Plus we're maybe a month away from opening up the GitHub repository, and then anyone can contribute.

I remember there being another forum, not forum.monero.cc, another one. Argh, I forgot it's url, but why not build a temporary forum, for discussion to take place easier until the custom one is fit to everyone's liking?

If anyone has a forum based domain name, Monerotalk/Moneroforum, for ex, then I may be able to help with constructing a forum on it(You can lease the domain name).
It's MoneroTalk. Personally, I'm not fan of the reddit layout the official forum is using. A forum and reddit serves two different functions.

Oh my, monerotalk's layout isn't very attractive... It honestly looks quite confusing...A temporary forum could be similar to this one or a more modernized version of this one, as most of those in the cryptocurrency scene are accustomed to this forum(it's layout)

Also may I add, the subdomain may make it more confusing for newcommers, at least in my opinion(That may have also been the reason, "forum.bitcoin.org" was transferred into bitcointalk.org).
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February 13, 2015, 12:22:52 AM
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If anyone has a forum based domain name, Monerotalk/Moneroforum, for ex, then I may be able to help with constructing a forum on it(You can lease the domain name).
It's MoneroTalk. Personally, I'm not fan of the reddit layout the official forum is using. A forum and reddit serves two different functions.

Change your sort order in your user settings to Oldest First and you have a traditional flat forum (although no need to deal with pagination because infinite scrolling ftw.

Unless the comment is about Markdown, but anyone who prefers BBCode to Markdown is clearly stuck in the 90s and needs to get with the program;)

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If anyone has a forum based domain name, Monerotalk/Moneroforum, for ex, then I may be able to help with constructing a forum on it(You can lease the domain name).
It's MoneroTalk. Personally, I'm not fan of the reddit layout the official forum is using. A forum and reddit serves two different functions.

Change your sort order in your user settings to Oldest First and you have a traditional flat forum (although no need to deal with pagination because infinite scrolling ftw.

Unless the comment is about Markdown, but anyone who prefers BBCode to Markdown is clearly stuck in the 90s and needs to get with the program;)


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Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I can't stand "infinite scrolling" either. It's a feature I find to be very annoying for the most part (there are exceptions where it can serve a purpose, such as google image search). The problem I have with it is that I can't go to a particular page without scrolling endlessly. There are times when I want to lookup a discussion, and say there are 50 pages, I know it's likely to be somewhere around 30-40, with pagination I can make some guess and narrow it down fairly quick, but with infinite scroll I will have to scroll endlessly through page 1-30 or 50-40 before I can start my search. Another scenario could be you're reading a thread and are on page 30 (or in this case, far into your "scroll") and by accident you close the page or (god forbid) you are stupid enough to click a link without "open in new windows". Now you're left to wonder where you left of.

Try remember how long it took you to scroll down versus if you were on page 30 or not. You can't even remember the location of your scroll bar since there is no such thing as "half down the page" with infinite scroll.

As for my main concern (order), you are right, I can order it by oldest / latest. That's cool. But the quotes are not in the actual post, it's above in a tooltip, but the entire post is not displayed. So what happens if I want to read the post quoted? I have to click the link and it will take me to the post, but with infinite scroll how am I going to find my way back to the responding post? the scroll bar is useless. And it's not unreasonable to assume I want to read the quoted post of the quoted post, and as you move up you're just getting more lost.

Another issue is when there are not enough replies to enable infinite scroll and everything fits in one page, if you click a quoted post, nothing changes on the screen, you don't actually know which post it is. There should be some ajax that marks the post at least. Right now something like #post-144 is added to the url, but that's not very user friendly when everything fits on one page.

I'm not sure if I'm missing something or if this is intentional, but posts are all minimized by default for me if there are a lot of replies. Pretty annoying having to click the unminimize sign to read the post.

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Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I can't stand "infinite scrolling" either. It's a feature I find to be very annoying for the most part (there are exceptions where it can serve a purpose, such as google image search). The problem I have with it is that I can't go to a particular page without scrolling endlessly. There are times when I want to lookup a discussion, and say there are 50 pages, I know it's likely to be somewhere around 30-40, with pagination I can make some guess and narrow it down fairly quick, but with infinite scroll I will have to scroll endlessly through page 1-30 or 50-40 before I can start my search. Another scenario could be you're reading a thread and are on page 30 (or in this case, far into your "scroll") and by accident you close the page or (god forbid) you are stupid enough to click a link without "open in new windows". Now you're left to wonder where you left of.

Try remember how long it took you to scroll down versus if you were on page 30 or not. You can't even remember the location of your scroll bar since there is no such thing as "half down the page" with infinite scroll.

As for my main concern (order), you are right, I can order it by oldest / latest. That's cool. But the quotes are not in the actual post, it's above in a tooltip, but the entire post is not displayed. So what happens if I want to read the post quoted? I have to click the link and it will take me to the post, but with infinite scroll how am I going to find my way back to the responding post? the scroll bar is useless. And it's not unreasonable to assume I want to read the quoted post of the quoted post, and as you move up you're just getting more lost.

Discourse addresses those issues.

Jeff Atwood (CodingHorror) blogged about the troubles of pagination and infinite scrolling
http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-end-of-pagination/

Robin Ward (EvilTrout) then blogged about how to "do it right" a year later
http://eviltrout.com/2013/02/16/infinite-scrolling-that-works.html


Here's an example of a long thread at Discourse
https://meta.discourse.org/t/what-is-the-most-awesome-plugin-for-discourse-that-does-not-yet-exist/31/73

The /73 is the currently viewed reply so navigating to a link and hitting back works it's updated using the javascript replaceState function to update the URL as described in EvilTrout's blog

In the lower right is a progress bar showing how far you are into a thread which upon clicking allows you to jump to a specific post, top, or bottom

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February 13, 2015, 04:38:04 AM
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I went through the Top 20 assets on coinmarketcap and divided the daily trade volume by the market cap.

Nubits is #1. This is to be expected. Nubits volume largely comes from trading bots managed by NuShares people to stabilize the price at $1.00
XMR is #2. XMR has high emission, but even if every mined coin were sold per day, that would only account for less than $4,500 per day of its often $12,000 to $25,000 daily trade volume.
DRK and LTC follow.

XMR remains a highly liquid coin. Even in terms of raw trading volume, it surpasses many more highly capitalized assets.

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