[ANN][URO] A Real Long Term Currency: 1 Uro = 1 Metric Tonne Urea Fertilizer

[Frigga77]

URO ON BLOCKCYPHER CROWDFUNDING INTITIATIVE

Recommended points of discussion:

a. Which platform: here on the forum or elsewhere?
b. Promotion: tips and strategies.

Alternative API discussions are also welcome as long the functionality is on par with or better then BlockCypher.

Is the crowdfunding going to be in urocoin or bitcoin or both? Will there be a reward for people who participate?
Do you (True-Asset) have time to do the administration for it or do you need help (or want to outsource it).
In case you do not have time to manage the crowdfunding (which I would understand) I think it is better do outsource it. Don't know much about Counterparty, but maybe it works, I need to look up what exactly they offer. I know Swarm is totally new and as far as I know not implemented yet.
Maybe somebody in this community can help with promotion? And who is the target? Miners, investors, farmers, importers?
Once the crowdfunding starts I am willing to contribute some 

[danonthehill]

If the NIERS are not willing to fund the API, why not ask them to match the amount raised by way of a publicized donation of Urea to an impoverished community in Pakistan or India?  The community would therefore be funding both the wallet and a charitable project; this would enable you to achieve three objectives at once: technological development, charitable initiative, positive marketing/publicity.  

We are days away from the 9th of July, when interest will peak, and if the price rises it will be easier to raise funds, right now it will be struggle, so probably best to set up a realistic timeline.  If you stagger the dates it will also help sustain interest.

[Changeispermanent]

^^Agree

[stompix]

Can anybody explain who these people are from left to right? Except for the surfer

Did you do any other research on urocoin instead of asking questions here? I am sure if you did you would have been able to point out Nilesh Nair from the picture (it's the surfer).
Also, did you invest or do you plan to invest in urocoin? If not, what is the reason you are so active in this forumthead?

What the hell is with this communist statement?
Who is not with us it's a nazi fighting against us?

People are asking questions and the supporters are just dodging them

[Truthful]

Can anybody explain who these people are from left to right? Except for the surfer

Did you do any other research on urocoin instead of asking questions here? I am sure if you did you would have been able to point out Nilesh Nair from the picture (it's the surfer).
Also, did you invest or do you plan to invest in urocoin? If not, what is the reason you are so active in this forumthead?

As on Uro foundation website it says all information is posted here on the forum....so not sure what problem is with asking questions. If you can't point out Nilesh Nair in picture, then how can the community rely on sensible responses. Only weakens communities willingness to invest if you respond inappropriately or with inaccurate information. Nilesh Nair on left. Bohan Huang in red shirt in picture. Now tell me who is in glasses in picture and who person is sitting next to Nilesh Nair in photograph. 

[Truthful]

If the NIERS are not willing to fund the API, why not ask them to match the amount raised by way of a publicized donation of Urea to an impoverished community in Pakistan or India?  The community would therefore be funding both the wallet and a charitable project; this would enable you to achieve three objectives at once: technological development, charitable initiative, positive marketing/publicity.  

We are days away from the 9th of July, when interest will peak, and if the price rises it will be easier to raise funds, right now it will be struggle, so probably best to set up a realistic timeline.  If you stagger the dates it will also help sustain interest.

Wouldn't this be called a form of bribery??? Using a charity and impoverished people to reach a deadline and to convince people to fund or be a part of the urocoin. Why if it's a sure thing is this going to be a struggle. Why worry about 9th July, if the community has info, would not be a problem, especially if answers were given. Sustaining interest will come from supplying correct information instead of inappropriate responses.

[Truthful]

Noob to this coin - could anyome summarise what's special about it? have the devs lived up to their promises? Any hidden problems - premines, instamines, buggy code, dev squabbles, dev complacency, missed deadlines? Anything to worry about?

Here I  just surfed in for the URO Awards. Summarising whats special about it?
Its true blue aussie hard yakka. STREWTH. Bloody top tucka this Urea. I find it a bit chewy and salty but I sprinkle it on shrimp on the BBQ
BONZA edit ** AND A BIG BLOODY SLAB OF VB

Can anybody explain who these people are from left to right? Except for the surfer

Quote from: Truthful on Today at 11:53:15 AM

Can anybody explain who these people are from left to right? Except for the surfer

Frigga77: Did you do any other research on urocoin instead of asking questions here? I am sure if you did you would have been able to point out Nilesh Nair from the picture (it's the surfer).
Also, did you invest or do you plan to invest in urocoin? If not, what is the reason you are so active in this forumthead?

Truthful: As on Uro foundation website it says all information is posted here on the forum....so not sure what problem is with asking questions. If you can't point out Nilesh Nair in picture, then how can the community rely on sensible responses. Only weakens communities willingness to invest if you respond inappropriately or with inaccurate information. Nilesh Nair on left. Bohan Huang in red shirt in picture. Now tell me who is in glasses in picture and who person is sitting next to Nilesh Nair in photograph. 

[true-asset]

As a result of community feedback, we will be more active on the Freenode IRC #URO channel from now on.

[Truthful]

Noob to this coin - could anyome summarise what's special about it? have the devs lived up to their promises? Any hidden problems - premines, instamines, buggy code, dev squabbles, dev complacency, missed deadlines? Anything to worry about?

Here I  just surfed in for the URO Awards. Summarising whats special about it?
Its true blue aussie hard yakka. STREWTH. Bloody top tucka this Urea. I find it a bit chewy and salty but I sprinkle it on shrimp on the BBQ
BONZA edit ** AND A BIG BLOODY SLAB OF VB

Frigga77: Did you do any other research on urocoin instead of asking questions here? I am sure if you did you would have been able to point out Nilesh Nair from the picture (it's the surfer).
Also, did you invest or do you plan to invest in urocoin? If not, what is the reason you are so active in this forumthead?

Truthful: As on Uro foundation website it says all information is posted here on the forum....so not sure what problem is with asking questions. If you can't point out Nilesh Nair in picture, then how can the community rely on sensible responses. Only weakens communities willingness to invest if you respond inappropriately or with inaccurate information. Nilesh Nair on left. Bohan Huang in red shirt in picture. Now tell me who is in glasses in picture and who person is sitting next to Nilesh Nair in photograph. 

[Frigga77]

Can anybody explain who these people are from left to right? Except for the surfer

Did you do any other research on urocoin instead of asking questions here? I am sure if you did you would have been able to point out Nilesh Nair from the picture (it's the surfer).
Also, did you invest or do you plan to invest in urocoin? If not, what is the reason you are so active in this forumthead?

What the hell is with this communist statement?
Who is not with us it's a nazi fighting against us?

People are asking questions and the supporters are just dodging them

I just want to know if this person is really truthful and open about his motivation. He is asking a lot of questions, so I ask some him some questions in return, I don't see anything wrong in that, I did not say he had to answer them, or is it forbidden to ask questions in return. If that makes you angry, I am sorry. No need to compare this with any political direction.

[true-asset]

He is the Chairman of the board of directors, and also the CEO.

Is he a director? If Nilesh Nair is heading this up why hasn't he been a part of the conversation that's been taking place?

because its a forum...

That doesn't make sense. This forum has been listed on the website for Uro as the place to find out information. Wouldn't the people heading this up be on here to answer questions and provide information for potential buyers? And you haven't answered the question. Is Nilesh Nair a director?

Also the question hasn't been answered about the connection between GES and Impact Investigations. Someone mentioned this in an earlier thread.

You can find more information about GES Directors at greenearthsystems.com.au. There is no point copying and pasting official information here that can be read easily from the original source.

[Truthful]

As a result of community feedback, we will be more active on the Freenode IRC #URO channel from now on.

What community feedback? Good to know. Help the community to have questions answered. Any reason why not answer questions here???

[Bojinda]

Take anyone who comes in with a 2 post history claiming to be a trading expert with a grain of salt.

Obviously one of two things happened:
1. You didn't read my posts, or
2. You failed to comprehend my posts (which may be understandable given my lack of sleep at the time I typed it up)

Please tell me where I claimed to be a trading expert, or even implied I have any knowledge of trading aside from the fact I have been watching Bittrex since June 23rd. In fact I specifically said "I could be wrong though, I'm not a professional analyst by any means". Regardless, if you discredit people just because they have a low post count on this particular forum you are bound to get burned one day, in fact True Asset himself started this thread with very few posts and you didn't discredit him immediately so you are either consciously or subconsciously discrediting people based on your own biases towards this coin, and I encourage you try to keep that in check or you will likely make a costly mistake one day. I would personally be much more weary of somebody with a known bias than someone who simply has a low post count... Posts count means absolutely nothing other than you have made a lot of posts, more posts != more knowledge!

Furthermore, all that anybody here (you, me, True Asset, everyone) is doing here: Speculation! Anybody who makes a claim about this coin on this or any other forum, regardless of the amount of times they have voiced their opinion on various other coins, is just speculating! Anybody who tells you they know for a fact what is going to happen with this coin (including the people who think it will reach $300 as soon as the clock strikes midnight on the 9th) is simply lying, there isn't any other way to put it because they cannot and do not know until Uro is traded on multiple exchanges and the first person with 12500 Uro places an order and receives it.

So please, if you are going to start an argument, do not resort to ad hominem attacks against my character, especially based off of something as meaningless as post count... Refute my points or you have done nothing to add to this debate except for possibly encouraging people to be more loose with their Uro/BTC, whereas I encouraged people to look at the recent order history, use some situational awareness, and then make a careful judgement call before deciding what they should do.

That being said, I absolutely agree with traumschiff, I believe this is why were seeing this massive price increase lately. One person with about 2btc can easily increase the price of the buy orders to almost .005btc because of the low volume in the sell orders (just math, you don't need to be a "trading expert" to use simple addition), the scenarios where one person makes the price artificially high because of either market manipulation or impatience, are the scenarios I am recommending to avoid because the price usually recovers in an hour or so unless people start to panic buy which is when the price takes substantially longer to go back down (common sense unless you enjoy paying more for less). Buy orders get filled as the price of the sell orders decrease and new sellers either look to undercut or just fill a buy order to save some time.

I'm very sorry about that True Asset, I hate debating on forums because they typically result in an ad hominem any time somebody says something that someone else doesn't agree with but cannot refute with knowledge. The coin is a great idea and as I have said before I am heavily invested. My only concern at the moment is the fact that the NIERs are only committed to 12500 MT of urea each for a total of 50000 MT. is additional urea provided from the NIERs on a rolling basis as they sell off the 12500 Uro that they receive? Or do the 4 NIERs just pledge the initial 12500 and after than 12500 is purchased they are no longer on the hook to provide more Urea. Another thing I was curious about is if you are currently in the process of adding additional NIERs and which urea manufacturers in particular you are considering to add to the protocol in North America.

[Truthful]

Can anybody explain who these people are from left to right? Except for the surfer

Did you do any other research on urocoin instead of asking questions here? I am sure if you did you would have been able to point out Nilesh Nair from the picture (it's the surfer).
Also, did you invest or do you plan to invest in urocoin? If not, what is the reason you are so active in this forumthead?

What the hell is with this communist statement?
Who is not with us it's a nazi fighting against us?

People are asking questions and the supporters are just dodging them

Here, here...Nazi dictatorship not welcome on this forum. All about open markets, not closed markets. Not closed minds, but open minds, not closed answers or inappropriate answers.

I just want to know if this person is really truthful and open about his motivation. He is asking a lot of questions, so I ask some him some questions in return, I don't see anything wrong in that, I did not say he had to answer them, or is it forbidden to ask questions in return. If that makes you angry, I am sorry. No need to compare this with any political direction.

[Frigga77]

Can anybody explain who these people are from left to right? Except for the surfer

Did you do any other research on urocoin instead of asking questions here? I am sure if you did you would have been able to point out Nilesh Nair from the picture (it's the surfer).
Also, did you invest or do you plan to invest in urocoin? If not, what is the reason you are so active in this forumthead?

What the hell is with this communist statement?
Who is not with us it's a nazi fighting against us?

People are asking questions and the supporters are just dodging them

Here, here...Nazi dictatorship not welcome on this forum. All about open markets, not closed markets. Not closed minds, but open minds, not closed answers or inappropriate answers.

I just want to know if this person is really truthful and open about his motivation. He is asking a lot of questions, so I ask some him some questions in return, I don't see anything wrong in that, I did not say he had to answer them, or is it forbidden to ask questions in return. If that makes you angry, I am sorry. No need to compare this with any political direction.

Don't put the quotations wrong please, truthful.

[danonthehill]

If the NIERS are not willing to fund the API, why not ask them to match the amount raised by way of a publicized donation of Urea to an impoverished community in Pakistan or India?  The community would therefore be funding both the wallet and a charitable project; this would enable you to achieve three objectives at once: technological development, charitable initiative, positive marketing/publicity.  

We are days away from the 9th of July, when interest will peak, and if the price rises it will be easier to raise funds, right now it will be struggle, so probably best to set up a realistic timeline.  If you stagger the dates it will also help sustain interest.

Wouldn't this be called a form of bribery??? Using a charity and impoverished people to reach a deadline and to convince people to fund or be a part of the urocoin. Why if it's a sure thing is this going to be a struggle. Why worry about 9th July, if the community has info, would not be a problem, especially if answers were given. Sustaining interest will come from supplying correct information instead of inappropriate responses.

Bribery: no.  We wouldn't be using a charity, we would be creating a charity.  We wouldn't be using impoverished people, we would be lifting them out of poverty.  Are you suggesting it is unethical to run a project efficiently?  Charity, technological innovation, and positive publicity: three previously stated goals, which could be achieved with the limited resources available.  It's called a marketing strategy.  Any better ideas, genius?

You seem to have a short attention span.  No one said it was a sure thing, hence the anticipated difficulty in raising funds at this stage, and my earlier post responding directly to you where I said explicitly it is not a sure thing.  

I directed you to a pastebin in my previous post, which was of a scheduled q&a with the dev. in which everyone was invited to to join.   We all have questions and think there are areas of concern, but you are not alerting anyone to any issues that have not already been raised here earlier in the thread by several other members.  You would know this, if you could be bothered to read it.  I suggest you do read it, if it is that important to you.  Go on IRC #URO and ask the dev these questions direct, or just do some basic research on google, and as others have said, do your own due diligence.  

[stompix]

Can anybody explain who these people are from left to right? Except for the surfer

Did you do any other research on urocoin instead of asking questions here? I am sure if you did you would have been able to point out Nilesh Nair from the picture (it's the surfer).
Also, did you invest or do you plan to invest in urocoin? If not, what is the reason you are so active in this forumthead?

What the hell is with this communist statement?
Who is not with us it's a nazi fighting against us?

People are asking questions and the supporters are just dodging them

Here, here...Nazi dictatorship not welcome on this forum. All about open markets, not closed markets. Not closed minds, but open minds, not closed answers or inappropriate answers.

I just want to know if this person is really truthful and open about his motivation. He is asking a lot of questions, so I ask some him some questions in return, I don't see anything wrong in that, I did not say he had to answer them, or is it forbidden to ask questions in return. If that makes you angry, I am sorry. No need to compare this with any political direction.

Don't put the quotations wrong please, truthful.

He asked you a few questions and you did not answered but instead attacked him and replied with questions about his intentions.
I could do the same and ask you if you don't have an answer to those better to shut up , couldn't i?


So , can you answer some questions?
Who is backing this coin? What is the so called company behind it?
Is there a real plan not a wall of text of wishful thinking like the res of the coins?

Don't point to that website. It's just walls of text with no real proof backing the words.

[true-asset]

Truthful: feel free to keep asking question here, people are saying on Twitter that I am not on IRC enough so I though I will be there more often and let everyone know that is the case.

Bojinda: There has been a few people that have misinterpreted the Uro Protocol as somehow implying that there will only be only a single 12500 MT Urea order from each NIER. This is not true. There is NO limit to the number of Uro > Urea orders to be filled. The ratifying companies have committed to accepting Uro (in a merchant capacity, just like how overstock.com accepts BTC) as a payment method for Urea sales for the next 10 years. It is expected that millions of tonnes in urea shipments will be paid for with Uro during this time.

The Uro Protocol states:

"Each Member commits to supplying 12,500 metric tonnes of Urea on FOB terms 
at a public international trading port of the Member’s choosing, to any Valid Purchaser that provides payment of 12,500 Uro in the commitment period 2014 to 2024, 
provided the terms of the Contract are met." 

The correct, and reasonable interpretation of any in the context of the above statement is "anyone" or "everyone", not "only one".

To recap: 1 Uro is permanently pegged to 1 metric tonne of Urea for the next 10 years via the Uro Protocol. There are no hidden limits or other restrictions outside of reasonable safety/legal precautions/regulations that cover any commodity trade - whether paid with cash, Uro or financial instruments.

[Truthful]

Take anyone who comes in with a 2 post history claiming to be a trading expert with a grain of salt.

Obviously one of two things happened:
1. You didn't read my posts, or
2. You failed to comprehend my posts (which may be understandable given my lack of sleep at the time I typed it up)

Please tell me where I claimed to be a trading expert, or even implied I have any knowledge of trading aside from the fact I have been watching Bittrex since June 23rd. In fact I specifically said "I could be wrong though, I'm not a professional analyst by any means". Regardless, if you discredit people just because they have a low post count on this particular forum you are bound to get burned one day, in fact True Asset himself started this thread with very few posts and you didn't discredit him immediately so you are either consciously or subconsciously discrediting people based on your own biases towards this coin, and I encourage you try to keep that in check or you will likely make a costly mistake one day. I would personally be much more weary of somebody with a known bias than someone who simply has a low post count... Posts count means absolutely nothing other than you have made a lot of posts, more posts != more knowledge!

Furthermore, all that anybody here (you, me, True Asset, everyone) is doing here: Speculation! Anybody
who makes a claim about this coin on this or any other forum, regardless of the amount of times they have voiced their opinion on various other coins, is just speculating! Anybody who tells you they know for a fact what is going to happen with this coin (including the people who think it will reach $300 as soon as the clock strikes midnight on the 9th) is simply lying, there isn't any other way to put it because they cannot and do
not know until Uro is traded on multiple exchanges and the first person with 12500 Uro places an order and
receives it.
So please, if you are going to start an argument, do not resort to ad hominem attacks against my character, especially based off of something as meaningless as post count... Refute my points or you have done nothing to add to this debate except for possibly encouraging people to be more loose with their Uro/BTC, whereas I
encouraged people to look at the recent order history, use some situational awareness, and then make a
careful judgement call before deciding what they should do.

That being said, I absolutely agree with traumschiff, I believe this is why were seeing this massive price
increase lately. One person with about 2btc can easily increase the price of the buy orders to almost .005btc
because of the low volume in the sell orders (just math, you don't need to be a "trading expert" to use
simple addition), the scenarios where one person makes the price artificially high because of either market
manipulation or impatience, are the scenarios I am recommending to avoid because the price usually
recovers in an hour or so unless people start to panic buy which is when the price takes substantially longer
to go back down (common sense unless you enjoy paying more for less). Buy orders get filled as the price of
the sell orders decrease and new sellers either look to undercut or just fill a buy order to save some time.

I'm very sorry about that True Asset, I hate debating on forums because they typically result in an ad hominem any time somebody says something that someone else doesn't agree with but cannot refute with knowledge. The coin is a great idea and as I have said before I am heavily invested. My only concern at
the moment is the fact that the NIERs are only committed to 12500 MT of urea each for a total of 50000
MT. is additional urea provided from the NIERs on a rolling basis as they sell off the 12500 Uro that they
receive? Or do the 4 NIERs just pledge the initial 12500 and after than 12500 is purchased they are no
longer on the hook to provide more Urea. Another thing I was curious about is if you are currently in the
process of adding additional NIERs and which urea manufacturers in particular you are considering to add to
the protocol in North America.

Good Bojinda.  Seems like NIERs out to make profit out of community with little investment themselves. And without providing vital answers. And responded with nasty comments on an open forum of community minded members, who know more than we're taken for.

[Truthful]

Truthful: feel free to keep asking question here, people are saying on Twitter that I am not on IRC enough so I though I will be there more often and let everyone know that is the case.

Bojinda: There has been a few people that have misinterpreted the Uro Protocol as somehow implying that there will only be only a single 12500 MT Urea order from each NIER. This is not true. There is NO limit to the number of Uro > Urea orders to be filled. The ratifying companies have committed to accepting Uro (in a merchant capacity, just like how overstock.com accepts BTC) as a payment method for Urea sales for the next 10 years. It is expected that millions of tonnes in urea shipments will be paid for with Uro during this time.

The Uro Protocol states:

"Each Member commits to supplying 12,500 metric tonnes of Urea on FOB terms 
at a public international trading port of the Member’s choosing, to any Valid Purchaser that provides payment of 12,500 Uro in the commitment period 2014 to 2024, 
provided the terms of the Contract are met." 

The correct, and reasonable interpretation of any in the context of the above statement is "anyone" or "everyone", not "only one".
To recap: 1 Uro is permanently pegged to 1 metric tonne of Urea for the next 10 years via the Uro Protocol. There are no hidden limits or other restrictions outside of reasonable safety/legal precautions/regulations that cover any commodity trade - whether paid with cash, Uro or financial
instruments.

true asset who are you???