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Author Topic: Butterfly Labs - Bitforce Single and Mini Rig Box  (Read 186889 times)
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March 16, 2012, 08:59:53 PM
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I thought there was some encryption involved so you specifically CANNOT reprogram them?
Thus they are only single use?
There is a chance that BFL, as the key owner, can make new bitstreams, but not the user.
Yes, sorry, that's what I meant.
I'm assuming only BFL can supply new bitstreams - so I guess if you wanted a new one you may have to pay them some amount to create it ...
Sure, they can create a new bitstream. But we don't know if the Singles can be user-upgraded in the field (now that would be convenient, via USB), or if they need to be shipped back to BFL for reflashing.

BLF-Engineer has never answered that question ...
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March 16, 2012, 09:58:39 PM
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I thought there was some encryption involved so you specifically CANNOT reprogram them?
Thus they are only single use?
There is a chance that BFL, as the key owner, can make new bitstreams, but not the user.
Yes, sorry, that's what I meant.
I'm assuming only BFL can supply new bitstreams - so I guess if you wanted a new one you may have to pay them some amount to create it ...
Sure, they can create a new bitstream. But we don't know if the Singles can be user-upgraded in the field (now that would be convenient, via USB), or if they need to be shipped back to BFL for reflashing.

BLF-Engineer has never answered that question ...

Sonny told me that they can be flashed by customers, and they are going to release new bitstream which should increase performance later on, and those will be made available for download.

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March 16, 2012, 11:07:29 PM
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I thought there was some encryption involved so you specifically CANNOT reprogram them?
Thus they are only single use?
There is a chance that BFL, as the key owner, can make new bitstreams, but not the user.
Yes, sorry, that's what I meant.
I'm assuming only BFL can supply new bitstreams - so I guess if you wanted a new one you may have to pay them some amount to create it ...
Sure, they can create a new bitstream. But we don't know if the Singles can be user-upgraded in the field (now that would be convenient, via USB), or if they need to be shipped back to BFL for reflashing.

BLF-Engineer has never answered that question ...

Sonny told me that they can be flashed by customers, and they are going to release new bitstream which should increase performance later on, and those will be made available for download.
Well at least that answers one question Smiley

But the other point was to say that if you wanted to do something else with it, you most likely can't without asking BFL to provide you with a bitstream since they are encrypted and thus I'd guess it internally decrypts it so it may not be happy with an unencrypted bitstream.
If it was happy with an unencrypted bitstream - then I'm sure someone here could make a faster and/or better one Smiley
From my limited understanding of how FPGA's work, branches may not be as expensive as they are on GPU's so you may also be able to change certain aspects of how that is done on GPU mining.

However, an aside question about that: since it is encrypted and thus no source available, I presume BFL did write the whole bitstream themselves from scratch and didn't base it off someone else's that may require the source to be provided?

Hmm that just made me think of something ... the reason why this thread hasn't been moved to the FPGA section ... maybe coz it's not 100% known that the chip is an FPGA?

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March 16, 2012, 11:16:29 PM
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Added a couple more to the bottom rack. Still nice and cool down there.



what's your total hashrate?
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March 16, 2012, 11:21:20 PM
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Added a couple more to the bottom rack. Still nice and cool down there.



what's your total hashrate?

The computer the singles are all hooked to is about 6.5Gh right now. As for my total hash rate, that's rising by the week.  Grin
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March 16, 2012, 11:30:34 PM
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Thats some legit betting on the future sustainability of bitcoin.

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March 17, 2012, 01:55:55 AM
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I'm still waiting on a reply back from them.

How long does it take to get the email ( I'm wanting to pay by Dwolla )?
I'm so excited to get one, I just can't wait!

I ordered 2 last week 3/9, and I'm still waiting for payment instructions, so it seems they're backed up, unless I'm the only one.

Not just you, I'm waiting for instructions.

I received the payment instructions and wired them the money on 3/16.
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March 17, 2012, 03:34:15 AM
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Well,  I'm in for a couple.... Smiley

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March 17, 2012, 07:06:38 AM
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I seem to be missing something when it comes to setting up cgminer and my singles.

Also odd is that I got zero documentation with my order. So, are these supposed to have drivers or something?

I got the whole creating the .bat file business but when I run it it just spits out all devices deactivated like it doesn't see anything other than my GPU. Tips?

But other than this...I am so excited!!! Hopefully the rest of my order will be here soon.
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March 17, 2012, 08:03:12 AM
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I apologize for my rude and misogynistic comments upthread.  Was dealing with an issue with the ex and generally having a bad day.

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March 17, 2012, 10:29:33 PM
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I ordered a few of these with Paypal a few days ago. Other than the confirmation email from Paypal itself, I haven't heard a peep from these guys. Is this normal?
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March 17, 2012, 10:55:50 PM
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I ordered a few of these with Paypal a few days ago. Other than the confirmation email from Paypal itself, I haven't heard a peep from these guys. Is this normal?

It took a few days for me too but they did finally send confirmation that they got it.
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March 18, 2012, 01:33:41 AM
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I ordered a few of these with Paypal a few days ago. Other than the confirmation email from Paypal itself, I haven't heard a peep from these guys. Is this normal?

Totally normal.  Roll Eyes

They're just super swamped with orders and production
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March 18, 2012, 07:19:09 PM
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What's the current timeframe looking like between ordering and shipping?
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March 18, 2012, 08:58:22 PM
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What's the current timeframe looking like between ordering and shipping?

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March 18, 2012, 09:11:51 PM
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What's the current timeframe looking like between ordering and shipping?

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March 18, 2012, 09:15:53 PM
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What's the current timeframe looking like between ordering and shipping?

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Funny.  A week? Month? 6 months?
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March 18, 2012, 09:17:01 PM
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What's the current timeframe looking like between ordering and shipping?

X=X+1
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Funny.  A week? Month? 6 months?
I've heard about 2 months. I'm not sure, I just got my confirmation a few days ago.

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March 18, 2012, 09:42:59 PM
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What's the current timeframe looking like between ordering and shipping?

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Funny.  A week? Month? 6 months?
I've heard about 2 months. I'm not sure, I just got my confirmation a few days ago.

Cool, thank you.
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March 18, 2012, 11:02:47 PM
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Does anyone know why it takes them so long to get these orders processed? I mean unless it's one guy hand soldering everything it should go a bit faster, right?

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