[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[smooth]

Yes but Bitcoin already has a number of trusted dice and casinos up so the fact that people exchange for this coin just to play dice seems a bit odd. An unnecessary step so to speak but I guess the staking is alluring.

You forget that just-dice is the oldest and most established dice site at all. So it has many fans already. Using clams is no real hurdle, only exchange on poloniex and that's it. But many hold clams on justdice as investor so they earn from justdice while playing.

The liquidity is not that great. Unless you are a small player you will take a significant hit from slippage in both directions.

Maybe that is consistent with what dooglas says he wants though, to keep things smaller.

[djhomeschool]

Looks like the JD offsite max changed - napkin math says down to 50x?

[djhomeschool]

Looks like the JD offsite max changed - napkin math says down to 50x?

I suppose I could have looked at the JD thread like the /news said to do. It's Monday morning, don't expect miracles outta me, OK?

[SebastianJu]

You forget that just-dice is the oldest and most established dice site at all

When Just-Dice first launched, there were at least 4 other dice sites already running:

 * satishidice
 * primedice
 * coinroll
 * btc-dice

That last one was a straight satoshidice clone, and I may have got its name wrong.

Since then satoshidice and coinroll have changed hands, and btc-dice has gone away (I think). PrimeDice is still around, and seems to have taken up most of the volume left behind when Just-Dice stopped accepting Bitcoin.

Hm, ok. Guess then just-dice was the first that allowed users to invest? I did not hear from other dice sites back then. But it's right, just-dice lost most of his users to primedice it seems. Happy person who owned that site back then.

[SebastianJu]

Yes but Bitcoin already has a number of trusted dice and casinos up so the fact that people exchange for this coin just to play dice seems a bit odd. An unnecessary step so to speak but I guess the staking is alluring.

You forget that just-dice is the oldest and most established dice site at all. So it has many fans already. Using clams is no real hurdle, only exchange on poloniex and that's it. But many hold clams on justdice as investor so they earn from justdice while playing.

The liquidity is not that great. Unless you are a small player you will take a significant hit from slippage in both directions.

Maybe that is consistent with what dooglas says he wants though, to keep things smaller.

Do you speak about the offsite invest or the orderbooks on the exchanges.

Yes, i lost some bitcoins when buying clams at the wrong time too. Additionally to holding clams you need to watch the bitcoin price since clams doesn't hold their own value compared to fiat but to bitcoin. So even if clamprice goes up, when you sell and bitcoin price went down in the meantime you would still have less USD, or whatever your countries currency is.

And i like to value in fiat because bitcoin is way too unstable.

If you speak about offsite invest then the solution would have been to simply lower offsite max to a point you are comfortable with. In fact it is pretty unlikely losing much, though it happened. Though as long as many small bets are played you would earn more compared to others. It's like leveraged trading...

[smooth]

Yes but Bitcoin already has a number of trusted dice and casinos up so the fact that people exchange for this coin just to play dice seems a bit odd. An unnecessary step so to speak but I guess the staking is alluring.

You forget that just-dice is the oldest and most established dice site at all. So it has many fans already. Using clams is no real hurdle, only exchange on poloniex and that's it. But many hold clams on justdice as investor so they earn from justdice while playing.

The liquidity is not that great. Unless you are a small player you will take a significant hit from slippage in both directions.

Maybe that is consistent with what dooglas says he wants though, to keep things smaller.

Do you speak about the offsite invest or the orderbooks on the exchanges.

Im not sure what you mean by offsite invest.

I was referring to exchanging, where if you are BTC holder, you will have to exchange your BTC for CLAMs in order to play and then exchange back if you win (or even if you just don't lose all your money). In doing BTC->CLAM you will likely pay above market price for a larger amount and doing CLAM->BTC you will likely sell below market price (in addition to exchange fees).

This effect is much more acute for larger amounts (anyone can trade 1 BTC without moving the market much), so this it serves to help keep BTC whales off JD and on other BTC gambling sites, which is what dooglus says he wanted (to keep the site smaller).

There is also the effect of longer-term fluctuations if you are investing on the site but as you say even BTC is volatile and it isn't necessarily a given that CLAM would be more volatile (relative to fiat). Over the past few months many alts have tended to trade opposite BTC.

[Northstar]

Doog, what's going on with JD this morning? It's been down for ~2hrs now?

[SebastianJu]

Doog, what's going on with JD this morning? It's been down for ~2hrs now?

Check out dooglus's last posts in the just-dice thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238613

Something went wrong with the hardware and he is setting up a new server. Clams are all safe he says.

[Northstar]

Check out dooglus's last posts in the just-dice thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238613

Something went wrong with the hardware and he is setting up a new server. Clams are all safe he says.

Thanks Sebastian!

[Brob12321]

Just-dice appears to be down, hopefully it gets back up soon I have a lot invested in the bankroll.

[SebastianJu]

Just-dice appears to be down, hopefully it gets back up soon I have a lot invested in the bankroll.

*lol* Did you check out the post exactly above yours?

Anyway, the just-dice server had an hardware problem so dooglus is setting up a new server and is migrating just-dice to it. No coins lost.

[Brob12321]

Just-dice appears to be down, hopefully it gets back up soon I have a lot invested in the bankroll.

*lol* Did you check out the post exactly above yours?

Anyway, the just-dice server had an hardware problem so dooglus is setting up a new server and is migrating just-dice to it. No coins lost.

I see that lol, still, hopefully it gets back up soon.

[mmfiore]

what is the latest windows wallet version and where is the download?

[andulolika]

what is the latest windows wallet version and where is the download?

Maybe you should just check the beginning of the thread.

[mmfiore]

 I was not sure if that was the latest or not. The version I have is having trouble syncing. I have to continually close it out and restart to get it to progress.

[andulolika]

I was not sure if that was the latest or not. The version I have is having trouble syncing. I have to continually close it out and restart to get it to progress.

Dooglus made a bootstrap that he updstes from time to time its here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.msg9772191#msg9772191

[mmfiore]

Thanks for the help. It is importing now and that should get me going. I appreciate the help.

[wttbs]

I am trying to build Clam-qt on a (virtual) Linux 14.04 LTS 64 bit. Installed all dependencies but when I run ./automake I get this error:

Code:

Makefile.am:5: warning: user variable 'GZIP_ENV' defined here ...
/usr/share/automake-1.14/am/distdir.am: ... overrides Automake variable 'GZIP_ENV' defined here
Makefile.am:46: warning: user target 'distcleancheck' defined here ...
/usr/share/automake-1.14/am/distdir.am: ... overrides Automake target 'distcleancheck' defined here
src/Makefile.am:221: warning: user target '.mm.o' defined here ...
/usr/share/automake-1.14/am/depend2.am: ... overrides Automake target '.mm.o' defined here

what am I doing wrong?

[tspacepilot]

I am trying to build Clam-qt on a (virtual) Linux 14.04 LTS 64 bit. Installed all dependencies but when I run ./automake I get this error:

Code:

Makefile.am:5: warning: user variable 'GZIP_ENV' defined here ...
/usr/share/automake-1.14/am/distdir.am: ... overrides Automake variable 'GZIP_ENV' defined here
Makefile.am:46: warning: user target 'distcleancheck' defined here ...
/usr/share/automake-1.14/am/distdir.am: ... overrides Automake target 'distcleancheck' defined here
src/Makefile.am:221: warning: user target '.mm.o' defined here ...
/usr/share/automake-1.14/am/depend2.am: ... overrides Automake target '.mm.o' defined here

what am I doing wrong?

It looks like those are only warnings.  It's letting you know that it's messinga round with some of your environment (GZIP_ENV) and makefile targets.  If you run ./configure && make after this, does it actually error?

[jpcfan]

278,000 clam profit now. impressive. clamdoge lost big the other night.



 running out of whales....feels like were in Japan