jon4x19
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September 15, 2014, 09:52:38 PM |
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Ok look guys I think everyone needs to get some perspective here. I don't normally post here but I'm just getting a bit fed up of all the irrationality and dev criticism. I think it should be made clear that THEY DO NOT OWE US ANYTHING. We are not shareholders, cloakcoin is not a company, this isn't even the dev's main job (I'm assuming...of course it might be, but that doesn't change my point). We are not their bosses. We are not investors in their company's stock. We are not on any board. We are not paying them. And before anyone says that we are 'indirectly' paying them by buying into the coin and increasing its price, that's only because they own some cloakcoins. So do a lot of people!
We are simply people who happen to have bought some of a currency that they are developing and improving. There is no requirement for them to do this, but they are doing it anyway. They don't answer to us. I agree that it sucks that the price is so low (full disclosure - I bought pretty near the top of the peak) and that a lot of people have lost money, but we all made a choice to buy this coin, the devs didn't force us to, they didn't even ask us to. I probably have more reason than anyone to start hating, given how much money I lost on the dump, but I'm fully aware that I chose my investments and it's not the devs' fault.
Any software developer will tell you that delays are part of the course. As I said, this is not a company with hard deadlines, it's most likely the dev's hobby, and they'll get it done when they get it done.
Let's all try to keep calm, shall we?
Actually we did pay them. Alty cashed out early on insider info then proceeded to shit through his fingers on twitter for a month. Where you been? They then gave us bullshit eta's which I now think they had no intention of meeting. They even went on IRC saying that the community "forced" them to give us that date. FUCK OFF with that. I was there. And we are essentially investors in their company's stock lol wtf are you talking about. No, we're not. There is no company. There is no stock. There's only a currency that we have decided to buy some of. The devs have some too, sure. They may even have sold some early for a profit. So what? That's what everyone is in this for, to make a profit. I know it's tempting to think that we're some sort of important shareholders but we're not. Cloakcoin is supposed to be a currency, like the dollar, like the yen, and we've bought some. It was our choice.
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Dr.GoldfieldHwang
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September 15, 2014, 09:53:59 PM |
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Setting a date so early (10th September) was a mistake.
Why did that happen?
This was after discussion with the dev team brought on by the constant demands in the IRC and other channels.
From experience I would of been much more comfortable adding a couple of weeks to that date but stuck to the date we'd talked about as a team.
As a result of this error I'm not going to let it happen again.
When we have something you'll see it and I'll be avoiding the pre-hype that can lead to people dumping on release.
So if you were unsure of deadline.. WHY THE FUCK DID YOU TWEET ABOUT A SURGE ON CLOAK EXPECTED THE NEXT WEEK ON 7 SEPTEMBER SUNDAY WHEN THE "DEADLINE" WAS THE 10th SEPTEMBER. TO THEN TELL US THAT DEV WAS NOT AROUND FROM FRIDAY THE 5th SEPTEMBER TO THE 10th, WHEN DEADLINE WAS REACHED. ANYTHING TO EXPLAIN ? Being unsure is good, taking time to post is good, but don't make hype on something that you are clealy unsure of.. You are the project leader, not bob surplus right ? Because to me it looks like getting fooled on this. Things you did and said just does not add up unfortunately at the moment. This is really true, you are tweeting 3 days before launch about a surge in cloak. Then before the launch date you make up some bullshit about the dev being away. Then you go into hiding, and now you are blaming everyone else for not making the Sept 10th date that you outlined, you could have simply said mid-late september from the begining and given us constant updates YOU ARE REALLY DROPPING THE BALL
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September 15, 2014, 10:02:16 PM |
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I really thought Cloak would be trading below 10k by now, drifting to 1k end of month. But it has surprisingly held up rather well despite the nonstop FUD and negativity.
I believe that Cloak will be a 1 million satoshi coin come Christmas.
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compumine
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September 15, 2014, 10:03:38 PM |
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September 15, 2014, 10:21:53 PM |
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I really thought Cloak would be trading below 10k by now, drifting to 1k end of month. But it has surprisingly held up rather well despite the nonstop FUD and negativity.
I believe that Cloak will be a 1 million satoshi coin come Christmas.
Exactly! I don't know about 1 million satoshi but cloak is surviving despite some horrible conditions. If handled the right way it has the possibility to make a comeback and surprise everyone. Still so much potential that's recently been going to waste.
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chinchs
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September 15, 2014, 11:14:02 PM |
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Ok look guys I think everyone needs to get some perspective here. I don't normally post here but I'm just getting a bit fed up of all the irrationality and dev criticism. I think it should be made clear that THEY DO NOT OWE US ANYTHING. We are not shareholders, cloakcoin is not a company, this isn't even the dev's main job (I'm assuming...of course it might be, but that doesn't change my point). We are not their bosses. We are not investors in their company's stock. We are not on any board. We are not paying them. And before anyone says that we are 'indirectly' paying them by buying into the coin and increasing its price, that's only because they own some cloakcoins. So do a lot of people!
We are simply people who happen to have bought some of a currency that they are developing and improving. There is no requirement for them to do this, but they are doing it anyway. They don't answer to us. I agree that it sucks that the price is so low (full disclosure - I bought pretty near the top of the peak) and that a lot of people have lost money, but we all made a choice to buy this coin, the devs didn't force us to, they didn't even ask us to. I probably have more reason than anyone to start hating, given how much money I lost on the dump, but I'm fully aware that I chose my investments and it's not the devs' fault.
Any software developer will tell you that delays are part of the course. As I said, this is not a company with hard deadlines, it's most likely the dev's hobby, and they'll get it done when they get it done.
Let's all try to keep calm, shall we?
When you manage a product with a market cap of more that 5M dollars is not just a hobby. When you lie to your shareholders just to hype, you loose credibility... I'm a shareholder, is my duty to know when to buy and when to sell, its all for profit, I bought at 20k, so i sold half of my coins, and I will hold the other half to see what happens, but not because I trust devs, just cause I think I can get some profit.
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September 16, 2014, 02:13:03 AM |
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Gotta say I absolutely love the Cloak brand? That alone is worth 5M imo.
You all need to give Alty aka thedagger some time to make it right.
A big reward awaits to those that are patient - or to those who can tolerate delays.
Say it with me now:
WE BELIEVE!
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monkeydong1
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September 16, 2014, 03:04:14 AM |
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Gotta say I absolutely love the Cloak brand? That alone is worth 5M imo.
You all need to give Alty aka thedagger some time to make it right.
A big reward awaits to those that are patient - or to those who can tolerate delays.
Say it with me now:
WE BELIEVE!
Why not just say instead "CLOAKSTRONG" while you are at it. Let's keep looking like fools giving excuse to anything we see, especially my own comments about Alty tweet followed by an obvious surge in price as alty said, to then tell us that dev was not working well before he tweeted anyway. Yea ! Let's believe and be retard even more ! You have an excuse to that part ? Please share it with us. In my opinion, Alty does not deserve the right to be the team leader, actually he should be thrown out from the project for his actions, at least in a -normal world- And if his team is real and aprove what Alty did, then they are not to be trusted either. Right Dasource ? Right x11joe ? Right whoever ? Bunch of scumbags. To quote Alty : Words are shit, actions are louder. No more comments..
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iCEBREAKER
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September 16, 2014, 03:10:32 AM |
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Gotta say I absolutely love the Cloak brand? That alone is worth 5M imo.
You all need to give Alty aka thedagger some time to make it right.
A big reward awaits to those that are patient - or to those who can tolerate delays.
Say it with me now:
WE BELIEVE!
Why not just say instead "CLOAKSTRONG" while you are at it. Let's keep looking like fools giving excuse to anything we see, especially my own comments about Alty tweet followed by an obvious surge in price as alty said, to then tell us that dev was not working well before he tweeted anyway. Yea ! Let's believe and be retard even more ! You have an excuse to that part ? Please share it with us. Perhaps it will please our Lord Alty if we post images of him wearing handsome cloaks? Do not forsake us! We pray you bless our humble cult with more crypto cargo. And Soon. Amen.
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monkeydong1
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September 16, 2014, 03:11:50 AM |
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Gotta say I absolutely love the Cloak brand? That alone is worth 5M imo.
You all need to give Alty aka thedagger some time to make it right.
A big reward awaits to those that are patient - or to those who can tolerate delays.
Say it with me now:
WE BELIEVE!
Why not just say instead "CLOAKSTRONG" while you are at it. Let's keep looking like fools giving excuse to anything we see, especially my own comments about Alty tweet followed by an obvious surge in price as alty said, to then tell us that dev was not working well before he tweeted anyway. Yea ! Let's believe and be retard even more ! You have an excuse to that part ? Please share it with us. Perhaps it will please our Lord Alty if we post images of him wearing handsome cloaks? Do not forsake us! We pray you bless our humble cult with more crypto cargo. And Soon. Amen. So now people even offer blowjobs on top of it ? Gotta be kidding. I am glad for Alty that he is anonymous really. I hope it stays that way, best move. Be carefull not to get exposed. Sinon, tu vas en manger des quenelles .
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monkeydong1
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September 16, 2014, 03:29:18 AM |
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Setting a date so early (10th September) was a mistake.
Why did that happen?
This was after discussion with the dev team brought on by the constant demands in the IRC and other channels.
From experience I would of been much more comfortable adding a couple of weeks to that date but stuck to the date we'd talked about as a team.
As a result of this error I'm not going to let it happen again.
When we have something you'll see it and I'll be avoiding the pre-hype that can lead to people dumping on release.
So if you were unsure of deadline.. WHY THE FUCK DID YOU TWEET ABOUT A SURGE ON CLOAK EXPECTED THE NEXT WEEK ON 7 SEPTEMBER SUNDAY WHEN THE "DEADLINE" WAS THE 10th SEPTEMBER. TO THEN TELL US THAT DEV WAS NOT AROUND FROM FRIDAY THE 5th SEPTEMBER TO THE 10th, WHEN DEADLINE WAS REACHED. ANYTHING TO EXPLAIN ? Being unsure is good, taking time to post is good, but don't make hype on something that you are clealy unsure of.. You are the project leader, not bob surplus right ? Because to me it looks like getting fooled on this. Things you did and said just does not add up unfortunately at the moment. To remind people to be carefull.That quote should be enough. If not here is an explanation : Alty said on the deadline day (the 10th september I reckon) that his main Dev was not there from friday to tuesday, the release day. From the 5th september to the 10th. He also said that the release should take a few more days (which will most likely not happen). The problem from that is that he made a tweet on sunday the 7th september saying something like : "Expect a surge in cloak coin next week " From this, price started to go back up, and obviously this was the main trigger of the rise. So what to learn from it ? That a fucking low life don't even try to hide the fact that he prolly already knew that developer was away, and used this to make some insider profit. And if he did not, that tell a lot about their inside communication in the team, so I very doubt he did not know. Just as he knew before about other problems in previous release. I don't think it's a scam, but I can only see how they fool people and will prolly keep fooling people for personnal profit until -if ever- release happen. If ever we get a onemarket, a supposed "true anonymous coin and trustless" before hell freeze over or someone else release all this in another coin. Perhaps alty is making a new coin also ? I mean you can expect anything from SCUMBAGS.
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September 16, 2014, 05:43:03 AM |
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I don't think it's really him. He always posts as thedagger and in June he was a newbie So now he's alty and a senior member ? You think it's him?
Alty-Live Crypto https://twitter.com/CryptoPioneer Alty @CryptoPioneer Live Breath Eat Sleep Crypto Be carefull I think this guy is not Alty. He always posted here as TheDagger. Why he change this account?
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September 16, 2014, 07:28:15 AM |
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Be carefull I think this guy is not Alty. He always posted here as TheDagger. Why he change this account?
[/quote] Please read altys post history before going all stupid.
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Starving_Marvin
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September 16, 2014, 07:28:31 AM |
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Somebody please destroy this coin finally. So many lost a fortune because of the despicable devs. Fuck you, I'm starving!
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k0rpa
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September 16, 2014, 07:33:35 AM |
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it shall rise again!
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cointrader83
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September 16, 2014, 07:56:03 AM |
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it shall rise again!
Rise for what?
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yogibaer
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September 16, 2014, 08:05:21 AM |
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Somebody please destroy this coin finally. So many lost a fortune because of the despicable devs. Fuck you, I'm starving!
LOL don't blame someone else for your bad money management and your decisions. Who told you to buy the tops and sell the lows?
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Starving_Marvin
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September 16, 2014, 08:22:40 AM |
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Somebody please destroy this coin finally. So many lost a fortune because of the despicable devs. Fuck you, I'm starving!
LOL don't blame someone else for your bad money management and your decisions. Who told you to buy the tops and sell the lows? I didn't buy at the tops. I bought after the first crash (before it crashed even harder) so I didn't lose absolutely everything. I blame the dev for constantly lying and deceiving us. And myself for believing in a holy grail.
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September 16, 2014, 08:27:28 AM |
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Somebody please destroy this coin finally. So many lost a fortune because of the despicable devs. Fuck you, I'm starving!
LOL don't blame someone else for your bad money management and your decisions. Who told you to buy the tops and sell the lows? why are you being a prick? all the time you support Cloak and now join the Darkside?, i have been in this coin from the begin, and yess i also sold my coins rebought it with slight loss If you want a quick buck i am very much sure there are other coins to satisfy your needs. I do believe in this coin, i support the idea and yess i even do support the Devs which built up a great coin with great pressure. it all comes to the End i believe the CLOAK team have the best cards in hand, it's like poker they don't show off there cards:) play or leave choice is your
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k0rpa
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September 16, 2014, 08:29:27 AM |
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it shall rise again!
Rise for what? this coin has poetential mainly cause of concept of onemarket, if it succeed than it shall rise no doubt in that
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