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One thing I would like to really know is how NEM is going to outpace projects like Nxt. Nxt seems like it's in very active development and has a really strong developer community. I understand NEM has a large stakeholder list, many of whom are inactive, but I'd like to know what NEM will offer over Nxt. It's not enough to have 3k stakeholders, that's miniscule and irrelevant in the big picture, you need to offer unique features and innovative projects to really grow a community. Otherwise you'll have a "get rich quick" community, which is the worse. POI is an exciting feature, but POS has shown that people don't care about better protocols.
As far as I know NXT has 4-5 main devs and NEM has 5. NXT has about 5-10 secondary developers depending about how you classify them. NEM right now might have 3-4 secondary devs, if that. That being said, I think the numbers for secondary devs for NEM and hopefully main devs for NEM will grow substantially after launch. While NEM has released an API for the NIS and the NCC is open-sourced completely, I think secondary devs are holding back for launch to start working and this is very understandable on their part. This team is very focused too where as NXT is very fragmented. If you want proof, look at their roadmap. NXT is in some ways the most advanced crypto, but I do think that NEM will also not only become very advanced, but will be able to address things that NXT hasn't. like multisig...  Multisig isn't that unique. From what I've read, Nxt will have an account control feature that is much more powerful and maybe released before NEM. Nxt has dozens of independent developers working on their own projects. I'm not trying to spread FUD, but it's a good idea for NEM to define itself and it's features independent of Nxt as there will always be a comparison. POI is a good example and could be very disruptive if done successfully, but if it's just a small add on to POS, it's not that unique. |
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January 28, 2015, 04:02:42 PM |
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ok im just going to be blunt here.
if you think there is no management.. who the hell kept nem going after UP left? just because we dont have a defined leader does not mean we dont have management..
your not just displaying a lack of faith now your being out right offensive to everyone who has helped organise things since UP's departure.
if "we are social".. since when do social collectives have a leader? generally social groups are based on equality and co-operation. so if "we are social" then things are being run exactly as they should be. and steve jobs was the CEO of an international company, not a decentralised crypto platform - management of apple and management of nem are not comparable in any way what so ever.
please just give it a rest before you offend the current management or the devs even more.. as good as a leader as he was, and as much as some people want him back, UP isnt coming back and thats just something your going to have to live with.
can we please put an end to this now?
It's much better to have several developers running a project than to have one project/marketing guy. If UP sockpuppets had come out after launch, the project would be dead. It's more like "the fith guy" in the development team, which will also make have us an odd number, which will be good to drive the ship in one direction when it comes to important questions. I'm speaking for the against of dictate.. Also tell me who would be better for this job, than UP our founder? Instead of just complaining, you guys should better tell me at least just one better solution. Also there's just no reason to complain about that, as he was our founder and at least more nember, than we ever could be. It's just fair and I think that should be a kind of moral, which should be the same all over the world. So there's no need to complain about that, just because of this reason. There's just nothing to say against the truth. At least, he did a great job and it would be the best for all of us to have him back. He was a good guy! So let's ask him to join us "again". |
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January 28, 2015, 04:10:42 PM |
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ok im just going to be blunt here.
if you think there is no management.. who the hell kept nem going after UP left? just because we dont have a defined leader does not mean we dont have management..
your not just displaying a lack of faith now your being out right offensive to everyone who has helped organise things since UP's departure.
if "we are social".. since when do social collectives have a leader? generally social groups are based on equality and co-operation. so if "we are social" then things are being run exactly as they should be. and steve jobs was the CEO of an international company, not a decentralised crypto platform - management of apple and management of nem are not comparable in any way what so ever.
please just give it a rest before you offend the current management or the devs even more.. as good as a leader as he was, and as much as some people want him back, UP isnt coming back and thats just something your going to have to live with.
can we please put an end to this now?
It's much better to have several developers running a project than to have one project/marketing guy. If UP sockpuppets had come out after launch, the project would be dead. It's more like "the fith guy" in the development team, which will also make have us an odd number, which will be good to drive the ship in one direction when it comes to important questions. I'm speaking for the against of dictate.. Also tell me who would be better for this job, than UP our founder? Instead of just complaining, you guys should better tell me at least just one better solution. Also there's just no reason to complain about that, as he was our founder and at least more nember, than we ever could be. It's just fair and I think that should be a kind of moral, which should be the same all over the world. So there's no need to complain about that, just because of this reason. There's just nothing to say against the truth. At least, he did the best job and it would be good for all of us to have him back. So let's ask him, to join us "again". Are you serious about UtopianFuture? That guy basically gamed the system and greed won over him. The same guy who proposed "no envy movement", yet he made several sockpuppets and who knows how many more stakes he kept to gain ahead of everyone else. No trust in UP, the guy is a scammer but fortunately we have some very talented people who took the NEM project and is turning it into something legitimate. |
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January 28, 2015, 04:20:57 PM |
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ok im just going to be blunt here.
if you think there is no management.. who the hell kept nem going after UP left? just because we dont have a defined leader does not mean we dont have management..
your not just displaying a lack of faith now your being out right offensive to everyone who has helped organise things since UP's departure.
if "we are social".. since when do social collectives have a leader? generally social groups are based on equality and co-operation. so if "we are social" then things are being run exactly as they should be. and steve jobs was the CEO of an international company, not a decentralised crypto platform - management of apple and management of nem are not comparable in any way what so ever.
please just give it a rest before you offend the current management or the devs even more.. as good as a leader as he was, and as much as some people want him back, UP isnt coming back and thats just something your going to have to live with.
can we please put an end to this now?
It's much better to have several developers running a project than to have one project/marketing guy. If UP sockpuppets had come out after launch, the project would be dead. It's more like "the fith guy" in the development team, which will also make have us an odd number, which will be good to drive the ship in one direction when it comes to important questions. I'm speaking for the against of dictate.. Also tell me who would be better for this job, than UP our founder? Instead of just complaining, you guys should better tell me at least just one better solution. This sounds like UP the "sungod". Sorry, but take a look at gawminers/hashtalks forum, its like an sect there. Anything "sungod" garza says/writes/tells is the truth and ONLY the truth. Finally people got scammed by them. NEM did well without UP and NEM will do well without UP. There are a lot of good devs, leaders, what ever out there. IF NEM is successfull, we dont need to search for competent people, we can select. |
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zanzibar
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January 28, 2015, 04:30:32 PM |
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I would say absolutely don't bring back UP, that would be a huge mistake. Kodtycoon can fill his shoes just fine.
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January 28, 2015, 04:35:03 PM |
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I think a lot of the energy being expended in this discussion about something fairly irrelevant could better be spent thinking up ways to further grow our movement. What do you say?  |
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January 28, 2015, 05:18:10 PM |
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I think a lot of the energy being expended in this discussion about something fairly irrelevant could better be spent thinking up ways to further grow our movement. What do you say? RELEASE THE KRAKEN |
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zanzibar
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January 28, 2015, 05:30:04 PM |
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For those who don't know the history, UP basically pulled together several developers out of Nxt (not Gimre, he hated Nxt from the beginning  ) with promises that we will never know (perhaps profit) but under the premise of a more fair distribution. At the time, Nxt was valued much higher and distribution was the biggest complaint. I don't think there is a place for UP in NEM anymore, his time has past and the development team of NEM gives the project 1000x more credibility in my opinion. You don't want an entire project dependent on one guy with questionable ethics. |
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January 28, 2015, 05:50:57 PM |
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Lets not loose focus on getting this coin from going live. Don't get sucked in to this UF drama which gets you talking about something else other than getting this coin released. Launch the NEM then talk about bringing UF back. Geez all the drama and delays are just discouraging.
Devs you've done a great JOB so it's time to show that. I personally think bringing UF back is a bad idea. that's about all I'm goin to comment about UF.
RELEASE THIS BEAST ALREADY
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January 28, 2015, 06:00:13 PM |
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BitZCoin, I think it would be best if you could chill with the UF story. If he wants to come back, he knows where to find NEM. Anyway, we're past that story now have more important things to attend to. Hopefully launch will not be too far away and we will be able to offer some status updates.
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jelin1984
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January 28, 2015, 06:18:04 PM |
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Some status updated will be great
Thanks in advance
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January 28, 2015, 07:57:24 PM |
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For those who don't know the history, UP basically pulled together several developers out of Nxt (not Gimre, he hated Nxt from the beginning ) Gimre hated Nxt from beginning? Why then was he active writing Javascript code for Nxt? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=404321.20 |
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January 28, 2015, 08:25:46 PM |
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Ah so we are bring back old stuff eh? Well in that case; I think we should change the logo back to the cube.   |
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interbtc
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January 28, 2015, 09:30:02 PM |
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+for return of UP
up was a brilliant leader
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tyz
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January 28, 2015, 09:44:38 PM |
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I want to invest into NEM and buy some NEMStakes on the NXT AE. Just two questions:
1) When is the fully source code release of NEM planned? I mean the complete release of NIC and NIS?
2) Where can I find the latest NEM client version?
Thanks!
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January 28, 2015, 10:25:17 PM |
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BitZCoin, I think it would be best if you could chill with the UF story. If he wants to come back, he knows where to find NEM. Anyway, we're past that story now have more important things to attend to. Hopefully launch will not be too far away and we will be able to offer some status updates.
Hopefully launch will not be too far away? Are you telling us to expect another unknown wave of delay? |
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January 28, 2015, 11:22:08 PM |
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BitZCoin, I think it would be best if you could chill with the UF story. If he wants to come back, he knows where to find NEM. Anyway, we're past that story now have more important things to attend to. Hopefully launch will not be too far away and we will be able to offer some status updates.
Hopefully launch will not be too far away? Are you telling us to expect another unknown wave of delay? That's basically what they're hinting. |
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makoto1337
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January 29, 2015, 12:10:09 AM |
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One thing I would like to really know is how NEM is going to outpace projects like Nxt. Nxt seems like it's in very active development and has a really strong developer community. I understand NEM has a large stakeholder list, many of whom are inactive, but I'd like to know what NEM will offer over Nxt. It's not enough to have 3k stakeholders, that's miniscule and irrelevant in the big picture, you need to offer unique features and innovative projects to really grow a community. Otherwise you'll have a "get rich quick" community, which is the worse. POI is an exciting feature, but POS has shown that people don't care about better protocols.
This isn't the NXT thread. I'm not worried about NXT or how many devs they have (even though it is more or less just poor JeanLuc  ). NEM is qualitatively different. We are aiming to go far past BTC. Focusing on coins with only a few thousand users is not interesting. |
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makoto1337
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January 29, 2015, 12:16:43 AM |
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For those who don't know the history, UP basically pulled together several developers out of Nxt (not Gimre, he hated Nxt from the beginning ) Gimre hated Nxt from beginning? Why then was he active writing Javascript code for Nxt? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=404321.20None of the devs ever hated NXT |
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makoto1337
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January 29, 2015, 12:18:08 AM |
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BitZCoin, I think it would be best if you could chill with the UF story. If he wants to come back, he knows where to find NEM. Anyway, we're past that story now have more important things to attend to. Hopefully launch will not be too far away and we will be able to offer some status updates.
Hopefully launch will not be too far away? Are you telling us to expect another unknown wave of delay? That's basically what they're hinting. We will launch when we are ready. The question is, will YOU be ready? |
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