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It doesn't mean Microsoft would own NEM. It just doesn't guys, so you can stop posting all the Microsoft fine print.
Then why do you supposed a mega corporation has interest in an open source project that is crowdfunded and could very well be a huge competitor in the future? Don't forget how they have been brought up on claims of becoming a monopoly and buying out early start ups before. Don't forget how Windows 10 is free but on the cost of sending your information back to central servers for who knows what. Ok, so you're guessing. So their plot is to steal all the altcoins? No I don't think it is too far off to have the thought that Microsoft is attempting to grab up altcoins or see the code or whatever else. Why has Microsoft been so quiet about bitcoin forever and are now super supportive of alts, some of them are even crap. At first it sounded good but now that they are adding everyone that applies it is speculative what their intentions are. At the end of the day these big companies realize that bitcoin / blockchain / alts were created by someone other than themselves and they are in a scrambling phase to see how they can get a piece. Good luck getting a piece of decentralization. |
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jelin1984
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March 30, 2016, 03:58:49 PM |
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azure is for sure one good for xem
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March 30, 2016, 04:01:48 PM |
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Becoming added to the Microsoft Azure platform would have given Microsoft the right to “grant Microsoft, and those who receive the Code (means the computer software code, whether in human readable or machine executable form, that is delivered by You to Microsoft under this Agreement ) directly or indirectly from Microsoft, a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, irrevocable license.. (Strong-text added.) Not a problem if the code is open source. If you're worried, just make sure the code is licensed under GNU rather than the MIT license. The right GNU license obliges Microsoft to pass along the source code, including the source code of any modifications they make. |
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March 30, 2016, 04:10:29 PM |
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We are gathering information from multiple sources to discuss the best way to proceed. jabo38 what mean to proceed?? to add at azure?  ?? |
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March 30, 2016, 09:09:19 PM |
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It doesn't mean Microsoft would own NEM. It just doesn't guys, so you can stop posting all the Microsoft fine print.
Then why do you supposed a mega corporation has interest in an open source project that is crowdfunded and could very well be a huge competitor in the future? Don't forget how they have been brought up on claims of becoming a monopoly and buying out early start ups before. Don't forget how Windows 10 is free but on the cost of sending your information back to central servers for who knows what. Ok, so you're guessing. So their plot is to steal all the altcoins? No I don't think it is too far off to have the thought that Microsoft is attempting to grab up altcoins or see the code or whatever else. Why has Microsoft been so quiet about bitcoin forever and are now super supportive of alts, some of them are even crap. At first it sounded good but now that they are adding everyone that applies it is speculative what their intentions are. At the end of the day these big companies realize that bitcoin / blockchain / alts were created by someone other than themselves and they are in a scrambling phase to see how they can get a piece. Good luck getting a piece of decentralization. I totally feel the same. I simply cant trust Microsoft anymore. What is the main benefit if we jump on Azure anyway? Alot of these projects by M$ usually end up a total fail anyway. |
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March 30, 2016, 10:45:16 PM |
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At least, signing on present agreement seems to be like putting head into the open mouth of crocodile.
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March 30, 2016, 11:55:19 PM
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At the end of the day these big companies realize that bitcoin / blockchain / alts were created by someone other than themselves and they are in a scrambling phase to see how they can get a piece. Good luck getting a piece of decentralization.
Although i agree with your view, i disagree with the decentralization comment. Centralization is unfortunately an unavoidable outcome - it's how, and how much, that matters - Whether it be the centralization of wealth (Coins) in any one few peoples hands (Unavoidable), or the centralization of mining power (In the case of bitcoin). Hence i'm not too keen on POW as people often overlook the mining power aspect and the repercussions this will have on bitcoins "Trustless" ledger as a whole (51% attack, for example). The centralization of POW is already an issue, with only large investors and companies now either mining, or profiting from creating mining technology, or mining pool owners calling the shots. I believe this will give them the same powers of exploit we see from FIAT banks today. This is not acceptable from a new and "revolutionary" financial tool. In fact I think this is just much more sinister and misleading. I like to view centralization similar to liberty or equality. Small amounts is advantageous - Too much liberty = anarchy or discord - not good for society. Likewise too much centralization = monopoly, corruption. Equality? = Self entitlement, greed.......too much of anything is naive and dangerous. There's a fine line. A line that gets increasingly blurred as economic troubles (Triggered by dishonest money) spur on political disorder from a steadily impoverished populace. Not only do we need to seperate the banks/business from state (Took us long enough to do so for the Church) We also need to reinstate some honest money. I think Crypto can do it, Bitcoin was the test, but it's definitely not the end. How my view correlates to the subject at hand though; I think Microsoft is, typically, trying to horde as much as they can with these obscure agreements and it's dangerous for small developing crypto markets, and it won't bode well for the future unless a better, less ambiguous agreement can be proposed. |
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March 31, 2016, 01:09:03 AM |
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I agree.
We still have to ask ourselves if we really need it or not?
does anyone know if BTC has partnered with Asure or not? It remains unclear to me.
Anyway, it did not make ETH rise, so i doubt it will affect our price.
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March 31, 2016, 02:49:15 AM |
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How do we take advantage/incentivize of mosaic/namespace? can someone here discuss a real-time scenario? Thank you.
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I agree.
We still have to ask ourselves if we really need it or not?
does anyone know if BTC has partnered with Asure or not? It remains unclear to me.
Anyway, it did not make ETH rise, so i doubt it will affect our price.
We need Azure, but we cannot give away rights. It's a problem we now faced with. Azure says "we do support Bitcoin." This is also ambiguous expression as in their contribution liscence agreement. http://bravenewcoin.com/news/microsoft-now-offering-several-blockchains-as-a-service-at-azure/The effect of joining in Azure is fair competition with other blockchains on Azure by equal opportunity to exposure to many users. Out of Azure means competition in adverse condition. Instant effect of price rise is secondary. |
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March 31, 2016, 05:32:15 AM |
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I agree.
We still have to ask ourselves if we really need it or not?
does anyone know if BTC has partnered with Asure or not? It remains unclear to me.
Anyway, it did not make ETH rise, so i doubt it will affect our price.
We need Azure, but we cannot give away rights. It's a problem we now faced with. Azure says "we do support Bitcoin." This is also ambiguous expression as in their contribution liscence agreement. http://bravenewcoin.com/news/microsoft-now-offering-several-blockchains-as-a-service-at-azure/(BTC has no reason to join in Azure. BTC itself is much more than Azure and doesn't like centralization. BTC's joining in Azure is only a Azure's unattainable ideal.) The effect of joining in Azure is fair competition with other blockchains on Azure by equal opportunity to exposure to many users. Out of Azure means competition in adverse condition. Instant effect of price rise is secondary. I still dont know what the purpose of Azure is? Is it supposed to make trading across different blockchains easier or something? From what i gather its basically a distributed computing model which means that if you are running an Azure node, you are helping compute parts of any software running, not limited to cryptocurrencies? The fact that they are basically letting almost every shitcoin join says alot. |
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March 31, 2016, 06:33:12 AM |
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I like to speculate
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March 31, 2016, 06:47:00 AM |
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Is the Azure effect real or a speculator flavor of month?
Are businesses only looking at Azure for Blockchains? NEM was able to network with big Japanese companies. Ethereum, before Azure, was able too as well? R3? In the future, will companies still consider non-Baas Blockchains?
Does being on Microsoft BaaS restrict you from being on other BaaS?
How much code are you surrendering?
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March 31, 2016, 06:49:27 AM |
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Voting Has Started for the NEM Apostille ProjectThere will now be 5 days of voting on the NEM Apostille Project. Please write a "yes" or "no" message to the following account if you support/reject this project: Yes Account: NBFCID-D53LH2-2EF5JZ-SQPD3W-AKEBDZ-4RZCE2-6KWF No Account: NAGOKN-2OGONY-NCNBLX-C6K4EF-DI6FI3-RBDE2B-2L7Z Thanks for Voting! https://forum.nem.io/t/nem-apostille-a-nem-notary-system-community-fund-proposal/2001/22?u=jabo38
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March 31, 2016, 06:59:26 AM |
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You should send 0 XEM when sending the message.
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March 31, 2016, 07:13:27 AM |
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Will vote later today
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March 31, 2016, 07:53:17 AM |
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Hi Guys,
I activated Delegated Harvesting back in April 2015.
I went to NodeExplorer and chose a Node and put the IP address in settings like it says on the Youtube video.
NIS is Synchronized. Latest version of NEM.
But when I click at Start Delegated Harvesting I get this error;
ERROR 306
NIS: UNEXPECTED ERROR
What am I doing wrong?
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March 31, 2016, 07:53:30 AM |
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Lots of good alternatives to AZURE I personally made great experience using Digitalocean, Google Compute Engine and Heroku. Microsoft Azure is only on the 5th rank of my favourite list. Nevertheless, it is one of few platform offering BaaS so far. From that point, Azure is one of the best at the moment. imho, the only alternative(read:competition) to azure is Amazon's ECC. GCE and Heroku are similar to each other, but they fall into different category. Digital ocean and the rest are basically vps/dedicated providers. |
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March 31, 2016, 08:03:07 AM |
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Jabo38
What news we have from Microsoft??
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March 31, 2016, 08:15:02 AM |
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@NEM team
About Azure;
Don't decide anything in rush. There are many people who wants NEM on Azure for a couple of Btc profit.
When it's added; there will be a pump and then a dump. After that nobody will talk about Azure anymore.
I think that the Apostile project, Mijin and Dragonfly like projects have more urgency and importance than Azure for NEM.
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