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May 19, 2015, 07:46:00 PM
Last edit: May 19, 2015, 08:02:43 PM by Peeps Place
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Betcoin raised from "B" to "B+". Betcoin has been in business close to 2 years. Betcoin and Nitrogen are the two fastest growing bitcoin sports books as far as player base and employees. Betcoin now has live baseball betting with both 2-way and 3-way betting along with alternate totals.

Some information from the Betcoin thread.
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Some features include:
Sportsbook
- The most complete sportsbook of any bitcoin casino
- Parlays, Teasers, If Win Bet, If Win or Tie, Action Reverse, Round Robin
- Enormous selection of leagues
- In game betting, half time betting, spread, moneyline, over/under betting
- Props and futures, odds to win, conference champions, rookie of the year - Too much to name
- Easy to use interface

Casino
- Full casino with over 150 games at www.BetcoinCasino.com
- No downloads
- Games include: Blackjack, Roulette, Three Card Poker, Pai Gow, Craps, Baccarat, 9 different video poker games, 10 different slot machines

Horses
- Wager on a variety of horse races including Triple Crown (Kentucky Derby, Belmont Stakes, Preakness)
- Wager on tracks throughout the world

Leagues for sportsbook include:
- NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, Golf, Tennis, Nascar, Formula 1, Boxing, UFC, Soccer - 1st Bundesliga, UEFA (Champions League), UEFA (Super Cup), La Liga, Primera Division, Rugby and More!

Poker Room
- Live at www.BetcoinPoker.com

How
- Go to www.betcoinsports.com and setup an account.
- Make a deposit and login to the casino
- Win bitcoins and litecoins

Our minimum bet is: 0.00001 credits
Our maximum bet is: 2,000 credits (Higher max bets can be arranged)

Login and see the difference using our demo account:  
http://www.betcoinsports.com

Bonuses:  We have frequent bonuses, please signup for more info.

We value all feedback, comments and concerns.  Join us today at www.BetcoinSports.com.


I was wrong - Nitrogensports isn't the only sportsbook on Planet Earth to not offer listed pitchers for MLB.
Betcoinsports does this as well.

Additionally, they offer a lovely 28 cent line (-114/-114    1.8772/1.8772) for MLB totals.
Compare with Pinnacle's 10 cent line (-105/-105  1.9524/1.9524).

Has to be the worst odds (for this at least) of all the A and B books.

And how does any sportsbook not offer at least the option to select listed pitchers for MLB?



"Additionally, they offer a lovely 28 cent line (-114/-114    1.8772/1.8772) for MLB totals.
Compare with Pinnacle's 10 cent line (-105/-105  1.9524/1.9524)."

I guess I misread something at Betcoinsports - they're even worse than I stated.


nyy/WAS 7.5

Over:

Nitrogen +104.9/ 2.049
Betcoin   -109   /1.9174

[Unfortunately, Nitrogen's MLB is worthless also as they don't offer listed pitchers - sharing this aspect with Betcoin].


They don't have a 28 cent totals line, they have a 36 cent line:

-118/-118      1.8475/1.8475

Compare to Pinnacle's 10 cent line

-105/-105      1.9524/1.9524



Peeps - This deserves an elevation from B to B+?

I suppose they deserve an A+ for most horrendous juice among btc sportsbooks though...



What criteria would you use in grading books? Do you consider sports outside of American markets? How important are small market sports? Do you consider derivatives, props, alt lines? Is live betting, live chat a consideration? Do the amount of employees, player base or time in existence mean anything?  What weight is given in being able to play in currencies outside of bitcoins?  Every book has strengths and weaknesses. Opinions from all are welcome to help improve the rating's guide.


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Betcoin raised from "B" to "B+". Betcoin has been in business close to 2 years. Betcoin and Nitrogen are the two fastest growing bitcoin sports books as far as player base and employees. Betcoin now has live baseball betting with both 2-way and 3-way betting along with alternate totals.

Some information from the Betcoin thread.
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Some features include:
Sportsbook
- The most complete sportsbook of any bitcoin casino
- Parlays, Teasers, If Win Bet, If Win or Tie, Action Reverse, Round Robin
- Enormous selection of leagues
- In game betting, half time betting, spread, moneyline, over/under betting
- Props and futures, odds to win, conference champions, rookie of the year - Too much to name
- Easy to use interface

Casino
- Full casino with over 150 games at www.BetcoinCasino.com
- No downloads
- Games include: Blackjack, Roulette, Three Card Poker, Pai Gow, Craps, Baccarat, 9 different video poker games, 10 different slot machines

Horses
- Wager on a variety of horse races including Triple Crown (Kentucky Derby, Belmont Stakes, Preakness)
- Wager on tracks throughout the world

Leagues for sportsbook include:
- NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, Golf, Tennis, Nascar, Formula 1, Boxing, UFC, Soccer - 1st Bundesliga, UEFA (Champions League), UEFA (Super Cup), La Liga, Primera Division, Rugby and More!

Poker Room
- Live at www.BetcoinPoker.com

How
- Go to www.betcoinsports.com and setup an account.
- Make a deposit and login to the casino
- Win bitcoins and litecoins

Our minimum bet is: 0.00001 credits
Our maximum bet is: 2,000 credits (Higher max bets can be arranged)

Login and see the difference using our demo account:  
http://www.betcoinsports.com

Bonuses:  We have frequent bonuses, please signup for more info.

We value all feedback, comments and concerns.  Join us today at www.BetcoinSports.com.


I was wrong - Nitrogensports isn't the only sportsbook on Planet Earth to not offer listed pitchers for MLB.
Betcoinsports does this as well.

Additionally, they offer a lovely 28 cent line (-114/-114    1.8772/1.8772) for MLB totals.
Compare with Pinnacle's 10 cent line (-105/-105  1.9524/1.9524).

Has to be the worst odds (for this at least) of all the A and B books.

And how does any sportsbook not offer at least the option to select listed pitchers for MLB?



"Additionally, they offer a lovely 28 cent line (-114/-114    1.8772/1.8772) for MLB totals.
Compare with Pinnacle's 10 cent line (-105/-105  1.9524/1.9524)."

I guess I misread something at Betcoinsports - they're even worse than I stated.


nyy/WAS 7.5

Over:

Nitrogen +104.9/ 2.049
Betcoin   -109   /1.9174

[Unfortunately, Nitrogen's MLB is worthless also as they don't offer listed pitchers - sharing this aspect with Betcoin].


They don't have a 28 cent totals line, they have a 36 cent line:

-118/-118      1.8475/1.8475

Compare to Pinnacle's 10 cent line

-105/-105      1.9524/1.9524



Peeps - This deserves an elevation from B to B+?

I suppose they deserve an A+ for most horrendous juice among btc sportsbooks though...



What criteria would you use in grading books? Do you consider sports outside of American markets? How important are small market sports? Do you consider derivatives, props, alt lines? Is live betting, live chat a consideration? Do the amount of employees, player base or time in existence mean anything?  What weight is given in being able to play in currencies outside of bitcoins?  Every book has strengths and weaknesses. Opinions from all are welcome to help improve the rating's guide.


I agree that there are a number of different criteria for judging a sportsbook.

All other things being equal, the price is most important.


" Do you consider sports outside of American markets? How important are small market sports? Do you consider derivatives, props, alt lines?"

Can you give any examples of lines for anything you mention being superior at BetcoinSports? Or even competitive?


"Do the amount of employees, player base or time in existence mean anything?  What weight is given in being able to play in currencies outside of bitcoins?"

Can you mention any of these that are superior at BetcoinSports?

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From the Anonibet thread:

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Don't ever play at this site. They had system errors yesterday, so they could not grade my bets for at least 10 hours. Then, today, I requested two payouts(.7 BTC and .2 BTC), and they sent out without adding fees. Are you kidding me? Without adding fees. One could be a mistake, but two of my payouts that they did not add fees. Don't ever play at this site, they have alot of issues from deposits to placing bets. I repeat don't ever play at this site."


This is perhaps the 5th or 6th time that I've seen different posters claim that Anonibet sends out withdrawals without including the miners fee which is usually ~ 0.0001 btc.

Is this correct that they don't include it and send out without any mining fee?
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Last edit: May 20, 2015, 05:00:42 PM by Peeps Place
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Betcoin raised from "B" to "B+". Betcoin has been in business close to 2 years. Betcoin and Nitrogen are the two fastest growing bitcoin sports books as far as player base and employees. Betcoin now has live baseball betting with both 2-way and 3-way betting along with alternate totals.

Some information from the Betcoin thread.
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Some features include:
Sportsbook
- The most complete sportsbook of any bitcoin casino
- Parlays, Teasers, If Win Bet, If Win or Tie, Action Reverse, Round Robin
- Enormous selection of leagues
- In game betting, half time betting, spread, moneyline, over/under betting
- Props and futures, odds to win, conference champions, rookie of the year - Too much to name
- Easy to use interface

Casino
- Full casino with over 150 games at www.BetcoinCasino.com
- No downloads
- Games include: Blackjack, Roulette, Three Card Poker, Pai Gow, Craps, Baccarat, 9 different video poker games, 10 different slot machines

Horses
- Wager on a variety of horse races including Triple Crown (Kentucky Derby, Belmont Stakes, Preakness)
- Wager on tracks throughout the world

Leagues for sportsbook include:
- NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NCAA Football, NCAA Basketball, Golf, Tennis, Nascar, Formula 1, Boxing, UFC, Soccer - 1st Bundesliga, UEFA (Champions League), UEFA (Super Cup), La Liga, Primera Division, Rugby and More!

Poker Room
- Live at www.BetcoinPoker.com

How
- Go to www.betcoinsports.com and setup an account.
- Make a deposit and login to the casino
- Win bitcoins and litecoins

Our minimum bet is: 0.00001 credits
Our maximum bet is: 2,000 credits (Higher max bets can be arranged)

Login and see the difference using our demo account:  
http://www.betcoinsports.com

Bonuses:  We have frequent bonuses, please signup for more info.

We value all feedback, comments and concerns.  Join us today at www.BetcoinSports.com.


I was wrong - Nitrogensports isn't the only sportsbook on Planet Earth to not offer listed pitchers for MLB.
Betcoinsports does this as well.

Additionally, they offer a lovely 28 cent line (-114/-114    1.8772/1.8772) for MLB totals.
Compare with Pinnacle's 10 cent line (-105/-105  1.9524/1.9524).

Has to be the worst odds (for this at least) of all the A and B books.

And how does any sportsbook not offer at least the option to select listed pitchers for MLB?



"Additionally, they offer a lovely 28 cent line (-114/-114    1.8772/1.8772) for MLB totals.
Compare with Pinnacle's 10 cent line (-105/-105  1.9524/1.9524)."

I guess I misread something at Betcoinsports - they're even worse than I stated.


nyy/WAS 7.5

Over:

Nitrogen +104.9/ 2.049
Betcoin   -109   /1.9174

[Unfortunately, Nitrogen's MLB is worthless also as they don't offer listed pitchers - sharing this aspect with Betcoin].


They don't have a 28 cent totals line, they have a 36 cent line:

-118/-118      1.8475/1.8475

Compare to Pinnacle's 10 cent line

-105/-105      1.9524/1.9524



Peeps - This deserves an elevation from B to B+?

I suppose they deserve an A+ for most horrendous juice among btc sportsbooks though...



What criteria would you use in grading books? Do you consider sports outside of American markets? How important are small market sports? Do you consider derivatives, props, alt lines? Is live betting, live chat a consideration? Do the amount of employees, player base or time in existence mean anything?  What weight is given in being able to play in currencies outside of bitcoins?  Every book has strengths and weaknesses. Opinions from all are welcome to help improve the rating's guide.


I agree that there are a number of different criteria for judging a sportsbook.

All other things being equal, the price is most important.


" Do you consider sports outside of American markets? How important are small market sports? Do you consider derivatives, props, alt lines?"

Can you give any examples of lines for anything you mention being superior at BetcoinSports? Or even competitive?


"Do the amount of employees, player base or time in existence mean anything?  What weight is given in being able to play in currencies outside of bitcoins?"

Can you mention any of these that are superior at BetcoinSports?





1. Right now Betcoin has the best line on the Cavs and on the over in that game. Many tennis and soccer bets are the same.

2. I think that Betcoin is bigger than all books rated below them.

3. The best lines are at Nitrogen followed by Jetwin combining all sports. This may take some time but I'm hoping that one day the spreadsheet will contain the book with the lowest margin by sport.

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What's the objective feeling about Fairlay?
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What's the objective feeling about Fairlay?

We wish we could give you more information. We are still having problems with a certain bug and we don't want to run the site with a known bug.
We first had the problem that a user could cancel a bet twice due to a specific so called "race condition". Know our fix lead to the bug that in some cases a user can not cancel an open bet at all. We might need to do a bigger refactoring of our code.

However - we strongly want to emphasize that cash outs are possible with no limitations. Just send us an email from the email address you used for fairlay.com


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What's the objective feeling about Fairlay?

We wish we could give you more information. We are still having problems with a certain bug and we don't want to run the site with a known bug.
We first had the problem that a user could cancel a bet twice due to a specific so called "race condition". Know our fix lead to the bug that in some cases a user can not cancel an open bet at all. We might need to do a bigger refactoring of our code.

However - we strongly want to emphasize that cash outs are possible with no limitations. Just send us an email from the email address you used for fairlay.com



Could you update OP page of your own thread for your present website situation to let everyone know why website still under maintenance?

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Starting June 1 if you guys are asking for payouts and it's taking longer than 15 minutes, then post it. A book should make this time limit a big majority of the time.


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Nitrogen doing some nice work in their poker room. Added avatars and player's notes.

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Nitrogen doing some nice work in their poker room. Added avatars and player's notes.

Intentionally deceptive advertising/posts about this past day's "freerolls".

For the hourly freerolls, they were awarding 1 mBTC, or about 24 cents USD.

So these are truly play money tournaments, but they are stretching the meaning of freeroll by giving out a meaningless amount of money so they can call it a "freeroll" rather than a meaningless play money tournament with no cash prizes.

Fail.
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May 28, 2015, 12:28:48 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516644.msg11472334#msg11472334

My winning limit is 50mbtc (12 USD) at betvip after 1 lost bet and i have 1 BTC bonus.

How many bets should i place to complete betvip bonus requirements ?

If i take the lowest odds 1.5 , then my maximum stake could be only 33.33 mbtc (8 USD)
So if i want to complete betvip bonus requirements i have to place (1*10/0.033 =) 303 bets @1.5, 400 bets @ 2

So what do you think about it ?

Is it fair from a book to limit their customers account after 1 (lost) bet (so much) not to be able to complete the bonus requirements ?
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516644.msg11472334#msg11472334

My winning limit is 50mbtc (12 USD) at betvip after 1 lost bet and i have 1 BTC bonus.

How many bets should i place to complete betvip bonus requirements ?

If i take the lowest odds 1.5 , then my maximum stake could be only 33.33 mbtc (8 USD)
So if i want to complete betvip bonus requirements i have to place (1*10/0.033 =) 303 bets @1.5, 400 bets @ 2

So what do you think about it ?

Is it fair from a book to limit their customers account after 1 (lost) bet (so much) not to be able to complete the bonus requirements ?

Hi bgerg

Your question has been answered on our thread. As stated, please PM me your account details so that I can investigate the reason for a limit. As explained, the maximum risk limit could have been reached on that particular bet if it was a popular market.

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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516644.msg11472334#msg11472334

My winning limit is 50mbtc (12 USD) at betvip after 1 lost bet and i have 1 BTC bonus.

How many bets should i place to complete betvip bonus requirements ?

If i take the lowest odds 1.5 , then my maximum stake could be only 33.33 mbtc (8 USD)
So if i want to complete betvip bonus requirements i have to place (1*10/0.033 =) 303 bets @1.5, 400 bets @ 2

So what do you think about it ?

Is it fair from a book to limit their customers account after 1 (lost) bet (so much) not to be able to complete the bonus requirements ?

Hi bgerg

Your question has been answered on our thread. As stated, please PM me your account details so that I can investigate the reason for a limit. As explained, the maximum risk limit could have been reached on that particular bet if it was a popular market.

Regards
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From betvip

"Hi bgerg

I have had a discussion with our trading team who investigates each account in great detail. Where they deem appropriate, they will limit a users account for various reason. Unfortunately your account has been limited."


So betvip put 12 USD winning limit on my account after 1 lost bet.  They investigated it.
Betvip give you deposit bonus but they limit your account not to be able to complete the bonus requirements.  They think it is fair.
What do you think?
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516644.msg11472334#msg11472334

My winning limit is 50mbtc (12 USD) at betvip after 1 lost bet and i have 1 BTC bonus.

How many bets should i place to complete betvip bonus requirements ?

If i take the lowest odds 1.5 , then my maximum stake could be only 33.33 mbtc (8 USD)
So if i want to complete betvip bonus requirements i have to place (1*10/0.033 =) 303 bets @1.5, 400 bets @ 2

So what do you think about it ?

Is it fair from a book to limit their customers account after 1 (lost) bet (so much) not to be able to complete the bonus requirements ?

Hi bgerg

Your question has been answered on our thread. As stated, please PM me your account details so that I can investigate the reason for a limit. As explained, the maximum risk limit could have been reached on that particular bet if it was a popular market.

Regards
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From betvip

"Hi bgerg

I have had a discussion with our trading team who investigates each account in great detail. Where they deem appropriate, they will limit a users account for various reason. Unfortunately your account has been limited."


So betvip put 12 USD winning limit on my account after 1 lost bet.  They investigated it.
Betvip give you deposit bonus but they limit your account not to be able to complete the bonus requirements.  They think it is fair.
What do you think?


Hi bgerg

As explained on or thread, our traders do not limit an account lightly. A sportsbook holds a lot of risk and we expect players to play fairly. Our traders investigated your account and deemed it necessary to limit it after a thorough investigation.

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Big week with the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup, Belmont Stakes, Women's World Cup and French Open. If there are any contests or specials going on, please post them.

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Starting June 1 if you guys are asking for payouts and it's taking longer than 15 minutes, then post it. A book should make this time limit a big majority of the time.



Waiting for 7 hours for a CloudBet withdrawal, usually I get them fast.

I would rather like to see more of an active response from CloudBet then them receiving a lower rating.  There are a number of customer issues brought up in the CloudBet thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.1860
And the CloudBet account is active but doesn't respond to any of these issues the last few days.


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Edit: just got the withdrawal now
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Starting June 1 if you guys are asking for payouts and it's taking longer than 15 minutes, then post it. A book should make this time limit a big majority of the time.



Waiting for 7 hours for a CloudBet withdrawal, usually I get them fast.

I would rather like to see more of an active response from CloudBet then them receiving a lower rating.  There are a number of customer issues brought up in the CloudBet thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.1860
And the CloudBet account is active but doesn't respond to any of these issues the last few days.


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Edit: just got the withdrawal now
I realize that the rating is insignificant compared to being paid but thanks for the post and update. It may help us in speeding up withdrawals..

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Big week with the NBA Finals, Stanley Cup, Belmont Stakes, Women's World Cup and French Open. If there are any contests or specials going on, please post them.

Nitrogen has one
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Introducing the new 10x Challenge!

We're excited to announce the 10x Challenge! Until Sunday June 7th, you can place wagers corresponding to the challenges listed below. Each challenge completed earns you a chance to win a draw for 10x the minimum wager amount in free bets. Players who complete all 8 challenges will also be entered to win a 1.5 btc free bet!



Challenges
Belmont Bronze: Share a betslip with a wager on the Belmont Stakes where the risked amount is at least 0.01 btc and be entered to win 0.1 btc free bet.
Belmont Silver: Share a betslip with a wager on the Belmont Stakes where the risked amount is at least 0.05 btc and be entered to win 0.5 btc free bet.
Belmont Gold: Share a betslip with a wager on the Belmont Stakes where the risked amount is at least 0.1 btc and receive a 0.01 btc free bet and be entered to win a 1 btc free bet.
Parlay Bronze: Share a 3-leg parlay consisting of a bet on the French Open, an eSports match, and the Champions League final with a minimum risked amount of .01 btc. You will be entered to win a 0.1 btc free bet.
Parlay Silver: Share a 3-leg parlay consisting of a bet on the French Open, an eSports match, and the Champions League final with a minimum risked amount of 0.05 btc. You will be entered to win 0.5 btc free bet.
Parlay Gold: Share a 3-leg parlay consisting of a bet on the French Open, an eSports match, and the Champions League final with a minimum risked amount of 0.1 btc. You will receive a 0.01 btc free bet and be entered to win 1 btc free bet.
Hold’em Poker: Share a hand of poker (Hold’em or Crazy Hold’em) where you won with a pair of non-face cards and be entered to win a 0.1 btc free bet.
Omaha Poker: Share a hand of poker (Omaha) where you won with a full house or better (Four of a kind, Straight flush, or Royal Flush) and be entered to win a 0.2 btc free bet.

For full contest details and rules please click here!

any others?

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Last edit: June 04, 2015, 06:31:43 AM by Peeps Place
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Edit- Cloudbet remains "B-"

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