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January 28, 2019, 04:37:53 PM
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Hi guys! Although I'm lurking this forum since late 2016 this is my first post here.
I was mining Monero till recent advent of ASIC/FPGA on network - are there any news/rumors regarding Monero dev's reaction on that?

There was developers meting yesterday. Those are best way to get ahold what developers are doing and planing to do.   I believe about ASIC it was said a lot a year ago. Algo gets tweaked at every protocol upgrade so ASIC miners are waste of resources for those that makes them. I dont believe that would suddenly change at the next upgrade.  Also, Monero hash rate is about same as whole last year. https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero-hashrate.html#1y   From 350M to 600M. Yes it increased a lot in January. But it just replaced what was lost in previous months. When you zoom out you see was no serious increase from last April.

Here are yesterdays dev logs: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/akmf5q/logs_of_yesterdays_dev_meeting/



Probably he biggest upgrade of the next protocol upgrade was just merged: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/4843    It will shrink that big chunk ( green line) from January 2017 till October 2018  to  1/3rd its current size.  That should more then halve current Monero blockchain size that needed to be sync for full nodes.



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I posted a brief Grin (MimbleWimble) versus Monero comparison on Reddit yesterday:

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There are a few aspects on which one can compare Monero and Grin, I'll discuss several of them.

Privacy:

MimbleWimble is essentially Monero minus ring signatures. As a result, an active observer is able to draw a transaction graph and easily trace outputs.

Scaling:

MimbleWimble's scaling is often praised significantly. However, in comparison to a pruned Monero chain it is not significant in my opinion. In Monero, a pruned node has to basically retain the transaction output set plus the key images, whereas in Grin the node essentially prunes automatically and merely retains the unspent transaction output set. Note that, in Monero, an unspent transaction output set does not exist, because an observer cannot reasonably determine which outputs are spent.

Usability:

Grin is interactive, which, in a nutshell, means that both the sender and the recipient have to be online to properly send transaction. As a result, cold storage is, as far as I know, not viable currently.

Lastly, note that Tari, a MimbleWimble implementation, is planned to be added to Monero as side-chain.

Privacy matters, use Monero - A true untraceable cryptocurrency
Why Monero matters? http://weuse.cash/2016/03/05/bitcoiners-hedge-your-position/
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I don't know about you, but I sure would like to have a little aminorex right about now.

You can't win if you don't play. But you can't play if you lose all your chips. First I found bitcoin (BTC). Then I found something better, Monero (XMR). See GetMonero.org
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What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

It's not just gold that's being accumulated by non US banks, crypto is also starting to get accumulated. You're right on the money when you say that the dollar is on its way out as the reserve currency. The countries moving away from the dollar are all trying to lessen the blow for when that happens. It will be a a big hit for everyone seeing how much of the world is tied to the dollar. Gold seems like the best bet, but no one really knows what will take its place, which is why you're seeing many investments outside of just gold. I like to think that this would be an excellent opportunity for crypto to try to step up to the plate but as of right now, I dont think there is any project that is ready. That said i'm still a big fan of monero and believe in the project.
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What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

It's not just gold that's being accumulated by non US banks, crypto is also starting to get accumulated. You're right on the money when you say that the dollar is on its way out as the reserve currency. The countries moving away from the dollar are all trying to lessen the blow for when that happens. It will be a a big hit for everyone seeing how much of the world is tied to the dollar. Gold seems like the best bet, but no one really knows what will take its place, which is why you're seeing many investments outside of just gold. I like to think that this would be an excellent opportunity for crypto to try to step up to the plate but as of right now, I dont think there is any project that is ready. That said i'm still a big fan of monero and believe in the project.

No country is buying any crypto right now. Best chances is the crypto they get from some busted illegal operations. Specially in countries where court system is slow and takes years and years and years until trials gets finished. Some such countries will get rich not even knowing they did.  

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January 29, 2019, 12:35:06 AM
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What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

It's not just gold that's being accumulated by non US banks, crypto is also starting to get accumulated. You're right on the money when you say that the dollar is on its way out as the reserve currency. The countries moving away from the dollar are all trying to lessen the blow for when that happens. It will be a a big hit for everyone seeing how much of the world is tied to the dollar. Gold seems like the best bet, but no one really knows what will take its place, which is why you're seeing many investments outside of just gold. I like to think that this would be an excellent opportunity for crypto to try to step up to the plate but as of right now, I dont think there is any project that is ready. That said i'm still a big fan of monero and believe in the project.

No country is buying any crypto right now. Best chances is the crypto they get from some busted illegal operations. Specially in countries where court system is slow and takes years and years and years until trials gets finished. Some such countries will get rich not even knowing they did.  

There was a report of Russia starting to buy Bitcoin, but who knows if it is even true.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/01/14/russia-plans-tackle-us-sanctions-bitcoin-investment-says-kremlin/
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What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

It's not just gold that's being accumulated by non US banks, crypto is also starting to get accumulated. You're right on the money when you say that the dollar is on its way out as the reserve currency. The countries moving away from the dollar are all trying to lessen the blow for when that happens. It will be a a big hit for everyone seeing how much of the world is tied to the dollar. Gold seems like the best bet, but no one really knows what will take its place, which is why you're seeing many investments outside of just gold. I like to think that this would be an excellent opportunity for crypto to try to step up to the plate but as of right now, I dont think there is any project that is ready. That said i'm still a big fan of monero and believe in the project.

No country is buying any crypto right now. Best chances is the crypto they get from some busted illegal operations. Specially in countries where court system is slow and takes years and years and years until trials gets finished. Some such countries will get rich not even knowing they did.  

There was a report of Russia starting to buy Bitcoin, but who knows if it is even true.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/01/14/russia-plans-tackle-us-sanctions-bitcoin-investment-says-kremlin/

Ah yes my bad it was Russia not Japan that was rumored to be buying into crypto. But Japan is making moves to move into crypto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg7a5PjytZY&t=156s

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What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

It's not just gold that's being accumulated by non US banks, crypto is also starting to get accumulated. You're right on the money when you say that the dollar is on its way out as the reserve currency. The countries moving away from the dollar are all trying to lessen the blow for when that happens. It will be a a big hit for everyone seeing how much of the world is tied to the dollar. Gold seems like the best bet, but no one really knows what will take its place, which is why you're seeing many investments outside of just gold. I like to think that this would be an excellent opportunity for crypto to try to step up to the plate but as of right now, I dont think there is any project that is ready. That said i'm still a big fan of monero and believe in the project.

No country is buying any crypto right now. Best chances is the crypto they get from some busted illegal operations. Specially in countries where court system is slow and takes years and years and years until trials gets finished. Some such countries will get rich not even knowing they did.  

There was a report of Russia starting to buy Bitcoin, but who knows if it is even true.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/01/14/russia-plans-tackle-us-sanctions-bitcoin-investment-says-kremlin/

Fake news.

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What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

It's not just gold that's being accumulated by non US banks, crypto is also starting to get accumulated. You're right on the money when you say that the dollar is on its way out as the reserve currency. The countries moving away from the dollar are all trying to lessen the blow for when that happens. It will be a a big hit for everyone seeing how much of the world is tied to the dollar. Gold seems like the best bet, but no one really knows what will take its place, which is why you're seeing many investments outside of just gold. I like to think that this would be an excellent opportunity for crypto to try to step up to the plate but as of right now, I dont think there is any project that is ready. That said i'm still a big fan of monero and believe in the project.

No country is buying any crypto right now. Best chances is the crypto they get from some busted illegal operations. Specially in countries where court system is slow and takes years and years and years until trials gets finished. Some such countries will get rich not even knowing they did.  

There was a report of Russia starting to buy Bitcoin, but who knows if it is even true.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/01/14/russia-plans-tackle-us-sanctions-bitcoin-investment-says-kremlin/

Fake news.

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What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

It's not just gold that's being accumulated by non US banks, crypto is also starting to get accumulated. You're right on the money when you say that the dollar is on its way out as the reserve currency. The countries moving away from the dollar are all trying to lessen the blow for when that happens. It will be a a big hit for everyone seeing how much of the world is tied to the dollar. Gold seems like the best bet, but no one really knows what will take its place, which is why you're seeing many investments outside of just gold. I like to think that this would be an excellent opportunity for crypto to try to step up to the plate but as of right now, I dont think there is any project that is ready. That said i'm still a big fan of monero and believe in the project.

No country is buying any crypto right now. Best chances is the crypto they get from some busted illegal operations. Specially in countries where court system is slow and takes years and years and years until trials gets finished. Some such countries will get rich not even knowing they did.  

There was a report of Russia starting to buy Bitcoin, but who knows if it is even true.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/01/14/russia-plans-tackle-us-sanctions-bitcoin-investment-says-kremlin/

Fake news.

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https://www.coindesk.com/2018-year-central-banks-begin-buying-cryptocurrency



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January 29, 2019, 10:42:06 AM
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Any body want to gamble your investment gambling interweb tokens? Come join us to play in the Super Bowlero Pool and get you some squares! Cool

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103532.msg49477201#msg49477201


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January 29, 2019, 11:36:40 AM
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So they already bought their bags apparently.
I didn't know that mcap of bitcoin has exceeded mcaps of all national currencies.
I wonder what would happen if mcap of Bitcoin would exceed mcap of gold. (This would mean price for BTC would need to be around 460k$, according to this http://onlygold.com/Info/All-The-Gold-In-The-World.asp and circulating supply of 17,507,537BTC)

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January 29, 2019, 01:08:53 PM
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Any body want to gamble your investment gambling interweb tokens? Come join us to play in the Super Bowlero Pool and get you some squares! Cool

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103532.msg49477201#msg49477201


"What each square should be worth is still to be determined and I will be up for any recommendations.  The X-axis, in green, will be designated to the Eagles and the Y-axis, in blue, will be designated to the Patriots."

How about you guys bet against whether I can guess the score, time of possession, passing & running yards, coin flip, etc...of that game?  Tongue

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January 29, 2019, 01:23:21 PM
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So they already bought their bags apparently.
I didn't know that mcap of bitcoin has exceeded mcaps of all national currencies.
I wonder what would happen if mcap of Bitcoin would exceed mcap of gold. (This would mean price for BTC would need to be around 460k$, according to this http://onlygold.com/Info/All-The-Gold-In-The-World.asp and circulating supply of 17,507,537BTC)

So...  They were buying the dip and the dip to the dip to the dipitipity dip dip?  Lolololol.  That's hilarious if they actually were catching all the action all the way down to 3k USD!  Cheesy

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January 29, 2019, 03:11:57 PM
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So they already bought their bags apparently.
I didn't know that mcap of bitcoin has exceeded mcaps of all national currencies.
I wonder what would happen if mcap of Bitcoin would exceed mcap of gold. (This would mean price for BTC would need to be around 460k$, according to this http://onlygold.com/Info/All-The-Gold-In-The-World.asp and circulating supply of 17,507,537BTC)
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Speaking about mcap of gold (old news but never out of fashion):
https://www.businessinsider.com/tungsten-filled-gold-bars-found-in-new-york-2012-9
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January 29, 2019, 03:33:24 PM
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time for me to stack https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/monero#panel
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January 29, 2019, 05:10:14 PM
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Any body want to gamble your investment gambling interweb tokens? Come join us to play in the Super Bowlero Pool and get you some squares! Cool

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103532.msg49477201#msg49477201


"What each square should be worth is still to be determined and I will be up for any recommendations.  The X-axis, in green, will be designated to the Eagles and the Y-axis, in blue, will be designated to the Patriots."

How about you guys bet against whether I can guess the score, time of possession, passing & running yards, coin flip, etc...of that game?  Tongue

Oops, definitely not the eagles playing... forgot I had that in the OP (I copied and pasted a bit).

And the reason why we do that is because a lot more people can be playing the same game and can get higher payouts.


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January 29, 2019, 05:25:13 PM
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Any body want to gamble your investment gambling interweb tokens? Come join us to play in the Super Bowlero Pool and get you some squares! Cool

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103532.msg49477201#msg49477201


"What each square should be worth is still to be determined and I will be up for any recommendations.  The X-axis, in green, will be designated to the Eagles and the Y-axis, in blue, will be designated to the Patriots."

How about you guys bet against whether I can guess the score, time of possession, passing & running yards, coin flip, etc...of that game?  Tongue

Oops, definitely not the eagles playing... forgot I had that in the OP (I copied and pasted a bit).

And the reason why we do that is because a lot more people can be playing the same game and can get higher payouts.

That's a shame--thought my fantasy of traveling back in time to make unlosable bets had come true  Sad

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January 29, 2019, 06:21:29 PM
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What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value - zero.
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121 years ago, the Dragon was locked into a cursed, escape-proof Dollar Trap by the Eagle, the Lion, and the Bear.

This infernal device constricted more as Dragon used his might to struggle and resist, for all energy expended was via Carry Trade ceremonies transmuted into additional trapping power.

Eventually the Dragon stopped fighting and began considering how to use the trap's nature against it in order to escape.

Patiently and slowly, but with great determination, the Dragon began to tunnel his way out of the Dollar Trap.

It turned out the Fiat Prison which contained the Dollar Trap was built on solid rock containing a few scant grams of gold per ton of ore.

But that was all the Dragon needed, for his Time Preferences were much lower than the Babylon Bankers who built the prison and his labor force could be made to work for little to nothing.

And so the Dragon assiduously toiled away the decades, quietly burrowing ever deeper into earth supporting the foundations of the Dollar Trap, and amassing a hidden horde of gold befitting his nature and stature.

Even the most gormless and degenerate guards of the Fiat Prison complex gradually began to notice the Dragon gaining strength with every passing boom and bust cycle.  They also noted cracks appearing, then widening, in the walls and floors of their once polished and gleaming (but now shabby and ghetto) structures.

But they no longer possessed the power of their ancestors and could not again wield the Seal Of Solomon with the aptitude required to conjure demons powerful enough to subdue the resurgent Dragon.

Now the Dragon is no longer a prisoner in his Dollar Trap; it has become his headquarters and main office.

The Fiat Prison complex is maintained as a pious fiction at best and is at worst rumored to be some new devious type of Eagle Cage.

The Dragon has heard of a new kind of digital gold and has taken a substantial (perhaps leading) position in the novel commodity.  But he will not underestimate or forget the impact of 5000 years worth of Lindy Effect backing analog gold, nor the more recent role the King Of Monetary Assets is playing in his own story of emancipation and liberation.

How did the Dragon know how to counter the hexes of Mystery Babylon?  In two ways.  First, the laws of economics are universal and independently discoverable/verfiable.
Second, the hidden wisdom of the ages is far older than Babylon and the Dragon is well versed in culture ranging from esoteric traditions to TV Tropes.


Vampires and Silver
by Vicky
(Tumkur, Karnataka, India)

Question:
I heard that vampires are injured when they come in contact with silver. If it's true, then like silver are there any more materials that vampires cannot touch? Can you give the list of them?

Answer:
Silver has a unique place in vampire mythology as the single, solid, naturally occurring substance that can injure a vampire. The ultraviolet rays of sunlight can harm a vampire, as can fire or holy water, but these are all substances that have to be "created" in order to be used. We can create machines that emit ultraviolet rays, we can bless water, and we can start fires, but all of these require planning, special spiritual connections, or specific chemical reactions in order to exist. Silver is a naturally occurring mineral that, in and of itself, can be dangerous to vampires.

Why silver and not, say, gold or copper or any other mineral? Well, no one can say, as we have not been able to sit a vampire down and do any scientific studies on the matter, but for whatever reason silver has been known for thousands of years across thousands of cultures to be a very potent material against several supernatural monsters, such as vampires and werewolves.

For whatever scientific or chemical reason, silver has a unique effect upon vampires when it comes in contact with their skin. Not only does it burn, but it also has a paralyzing effect, making it so a vampire cannot pull the silver off of itself. It's somewhat similar to the way humans become paralyzed by electrical currents - the muscles seize and the person becomes unable to disconnect themselves from the source. While in both cases this is not necessarily deadly in small amounts, there is the possibility of major injury with enough exposure.

The burns caused by silver are minor compared to those caused by sunlight. Silver has the effect, though, of slowing a vampire's ability to heal so greatly that over enough time it could effectively destroy a vampire. The paralysis effect makes it so much more dangerous than other materials in that a vampire could be incapacitated simply by chaining them up with silver chains, handcuffs, or wires. Despite a vampire's incredible strength, the paralysis effect makes it so that they cannot break free of these chains without outside assistance.

While there are other materials and objects that serve as vampire repellents, none come close to matching the effects of silver.


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