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Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

I assume you are asking about the supply rate as it's impossible to foresee the inflation based on demand (or I should re-read Milton Friedman). In that case, here is the answer:




Note the supply rate will be similar from 2019 to 2027. You can read this very interesting reddit post to get more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/512kwh/useful_for_learning_about_monero_coin_emission/

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Wow, when are we going to lift off again  Grin Cheesy

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Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

I assume you are asking about the supply rate as it's impossible to foresee the inflation based on demand (or I should re-read Milton Friedman). In that case, here is the answer:




Note the supply rate will be similar from 2019 to 2027. You can read this very interesting reddit post to get more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/512kwh/useful_for_learning_about_monero_coin_emission/
Thank you for the answer but, does someone has calculated what month of 2019 the crossing is expected to happen?
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Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

You can look here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=105927644072070760779

It says in about a year.

2019 inflation should be around 4%
2020 inflation should be around 2.4%

While Bitcoins is 3.76%  in 2019 and not much less in 2020.

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September 19, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
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Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

You can look here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=105927644072070760779

It already was once before Bitcoin halving for a short time.

It says in about a year.
I was just looking at this spreadsheet. Smiley
According to it daily inflation crossover will happen on 10 August 2019. I don't know if this table is take into account every variable there is, anyway interesting data too look at. Smiley

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I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

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September 19, 2018, 03:11:55 PM
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If you like Monero, please consider donating something to Surae to support development: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/90730/continued-funding-for-surae-for-another-quarter-september-october-november-2018

Side note for speculators: he's using a 71.88 USD/XMR baseline to be on the safe side during September, October and November

Is he still using this time to research Spectre?

I have serious reservations about that protocol but I forgot what they were. Doh

Looks like he's on multisig & lightning now.

Thanks. Smiley

Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

I assume you are asking about the supply rate as it's impossible to foresee the inflation based on demand (or I should re-read Milton Friedman). In that case, here is the answer:




Note the supply rate will be similar from 2019 to 2027. You can read this very interesting reddit post to get more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/512kwh/useful_for_learning_about_monero_coin_emission/
Thank you for the answer but, does someone has calculated what month of 2019 the crossing is expected to happen?

As Sprirali told you, "it's impossible to foresee the inflation based on demand" but there is a spreadsheet that rptiella made that was pretty accurate if you search this thread you may find it. IIRC Generalize This (don't remember exact spelling) had a copy.

Is there any good estimation of when, in 2019, the inflation rate of XMR will become inferior to the inflation rate of BTC?

You can look here. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qXi7zUSIh7F6UuSuhOryyFbHEy_LJuym3I3neAga_2s/edit?usp=drive_web&ouid=105927644072070760779

It says in about a year.

2019 inflation should be around 4%
2020 inflation should be around 2.4%

While Bitcoins is 3.76%  in 2019 and not much less in 2020.

Great link, takes forever to load. Smiley

According to that spreadsheet this looks like the day. BTC emits 1800 and XMR Emits 1,798.04.

2019-07-26   
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day 3891 17,510,400.00 1,800.00 12.5000 0.01028% 83.38% 1,577.14 day 1926 17,137,453.02 1,798.04 2.4973 0.01049% 92.90% 2019-07-26 3.01%
                  

adjusted from 2019-08-10 which was tagged in the sheet.

Code:
day 3906 17,537,400.00 1,800.00 12.5000 0.010264% 83.51% 1,577.14 day 1941 17,164,165.86 1,761.35 2.4463 0.010262% 93.05% 2019-08-10 Daily Inflation crossover date 2.95%


I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

That was the idea and there was a large debate about it when the price first became depressed as rptiella led a group that wanted the emission curve changed to increase their holdings worth and to stop the addition of a tail emission.

Monero has always put utility above profit for investors and anyone holding should be proud of that.

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I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

Many are afraid of tail emission from wrong reason. And even from perspective of that reason they are wrong since in the next 10 years Monero will have lower inflation then Bitcoin.
Bitcoins inflation will be higher then of Monero from the year 2020 to 2025. After 2025, when Monero and Bitcoin inflation will even again, will Bitcoin slowly start realizing why Monero choose tail emission. It is not because of any economic reason but technical. Solving a problem that Bitcoin still need to solve.

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I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

Many are afraid of tail emission from wrong reason. And even from perspective of that reason they are wrong since in the next 10 years Monero will have lower inflation then Bitcoin.
Bitcoins inflation will be higher then of Monero from the year 2020 to 2025. After 2025, when Monero and Bitcoin inflation will even again, will Bitcoin slowly start realizing why Monero choose tail emission. It is not because of any economic reason but technical. Solving a problem that Bitcoin still need to solve.

Wish I had Merit left I owe you guys. Smiley

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I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

Many are afraid of tail emission from wrong reason. And even from perspective of that reason they are wrong since in the next 10 years Monero will have lower inflation then Bitcoin.
Bitcoins inflation will be higher then of Monero from the year 2020 to 2025. After 2025, when Monero and Bitcoin inflation will even again, will Bitcoin slowly start realizing why Monero choose tail emission. It is not because of any economic reason but technical. Solving a problem that Bitcoin still need to solve.

Wish I had Merit left I owe you guys. Smiley

I got you on that one.
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September 19, 2018, 08:17:54 PM
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My predicition for Mid September seems to got busted, so let's wait until mid of november  Shocked Cool Grin Cheesy

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I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

Many are afraid of tail emission from wrong reason. And even from perspective of that reason they are wrong since in the next 10 years Monero will have lower inflation then Bitcoin.
Bitcoins inflation will be higher then of Monero from the year 2020 to 2025. After 2025, when Monero and Bitcoin inflation will even again, will Bitcoin slowly start realizing why Monero choose tail emission. It is not because of any economic reason but technical. Solving a problem that Bitcoin still need to solve.

Wish I had Merit left I owe you guys. Smiley

I got you on that one.

yOU dA mAN! Smiley


My predicition for Mid September seems to got busted, so let's wait until mid of november  Shocked Cool Grin Cheesy

What was that prediction again? I have been so far off since the institutional manipulation that I give up. Smiley
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September 20, 2018, 01:11:24 PM
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I think XMR's emission after all the coins have been mined will actually help in adoption, encourage a bit of spending and could have a wider distribution than BTC.

Pure deflation would encourage more hoarding, less spending and could even cause the economy to stagnate.

Many are afraid of tail emission from wrong reason. And even from perspective of that reason they are wrong since in the next 10 years Monero will have lower inflation then Bitcoin.
Bitcoins inflation will be higher then of Monero from the year 2020 to 2025. After 2025, when Monero and Bitcoin inflation will even again, will Bitcoin slowly start realizing why Monero choose tail emission. It is not because of any economic reason but technical. Solving a problem that Bitcoin still need to solve.

The Cryptonote guys, whoever they are, prolly mostly thought it was very important in keeping the source of the blocks, aka the miners, interested in doing their job.  But what they didn't realize was its effect on Monero's economy, which I think is mostly positive due to the reasons stated above.

The users need money in their pockets to encourage spending, hence creating a growing economy.  Something that won't happen in a pure deflationary currency that encourages hoarding.

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September 20, 2018, 06:49:24 PM
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27 days left for Moon Rocket Launch http://xmr.noctism.com/



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September 20, 2018, 08:27:58 PM
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27 days left for Moon Rocket Launch http://xmr.noctism.com/




I fucking love this coin and the community behind it  Grin Cheesy Wink

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September 20, 2018, 08:36:46 PM
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September 20, 2018, 08:50:24 PM
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Monero

I really like Monero. the most noble coin in the market. the miners are trying really hard. I congratulate them. I hope the new fork is profitable and popular.  Wink
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September 20, 2018, 11:02:33 PM
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Monero used to look very good, but over the past year, it has become less interesting, although I think it makes sense to hold it for another year and sell it on the growth. Who thinks anything about it, is there a charge for this coin on ToTheMoon?

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September 20, 2018, 11:44:38 PM
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Monero used to look very good, but over the past year, it has become less interesting, although I think it makes sense to hold it for another year and sell it on the growth. Who thinks anything about it, is there a charge for this coin on ToTheMoon?

Nope, there will be no moon. This coin has already topped out and will no longer rise. It is a good time to dump on the next pump and never look back. Smiley

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September 21, 2018, 01:43:07 AM
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Crossover on the 1 week MACD, last time this happened was around dec 11 2017
The last 5 times this happened things got exciting, will it be different this time?

(hint: Hope not!)


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