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December 16, 2018, 04:38:16 AM
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Shit, wish I had waited to buy last week.
Well there is always this week. Smiley

Also next week?  Probably?

Maybe, depends on Bitcoin.  I have a couple of XMR buys further down in both USD and BTC pairs, but it seems $40 is the new $50 XMR/USD resistance level, for now and we may have seen the worst (unless Bitcoin dives again).

I think there will still be uncertainty and possible lower lows in BTC until end of January, unless there is a BAAKT 'bump' coming.



Bakkt continues to be a wildcard.  With Caitlin Long and her constant rehypothication/comingling warnings about Wall Street's arrival as well as other things I think it has muted any front-running of price rise.  I still cant figure if her constant warnings are purely cautionary or if there is a fud aspect.  So I think the market is spooked there, as we are pricing in the sentiment that ETFs are NOT coming any time soon.  I think once BAKKT and others are up and running we will see the real effects.  And I think as usual this will echo in the Monero market.

I think Caitlin Long has a point - and if you've see her talking on it, it's pretty convincing.  I do think the crypto market is equivocal about it, I am not personally convinced it will be 'all good' either.   Yes, it involves real bitcoin, unlike the CME /CBOE futures and therefore should draw coins from the market.  However, the habitual rehypothecation habits those behind BAKKT are used to are real - and these habits, if applied - risk challenging part of the the value proposition Bitcoin offers; that of it being hard money with a verifiable, fixed and limited supply.

I would like to think it will help Monero, but Monero is still in a crypto market driven by Bitcoin, so if BAKKT is bad for Bitcoin, then even if Monero is not part of it, it won't help.

Let's hope BAKKT is a positive, we can only wait and to see.

Yes, it seems we see this very similarly. As to Caitlin Long... I feel like she often plays the blockchain vs. Bitcoin game a little more than I like. The constant talk about how blockchain is going to revolutionize the financial world, but then in other interviews acting sort of like a Bitcoin maximalist. It makes me think she almost is saying what is expedient in that moment. On the other hand I think she brings a level of intelligence, professionalism, and Wall Street Experience to the discourse that very few others have. So I judge her message similar to her person... kind of mixed - kind of unpredictable and it makes me just slightly suspicious at times that she could even be some sort of industry plant spreading a little bit of fud to make the markets sort of look the other way while... Well I don't know... I'm starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist.

Am I reading this whole BAKKT thing right? 

> Formed with the purpose of bringing trust, efficiency and commerce to digital assets, Bakkt seeks to develop open technology to connect existing market and merchant infrastructure to the blockchain.

Its hilarious. Bringing trust to trustless assets. Bringing efficiency to the most efficient form of money that exists. Perhaps the only thing it could bring is commerce.

Much like a lot of other malarkey I read, this just seems to be another "Dinosaurs try to build something so they can work with new technology".

Whats even more hilarious is that these things (monero, bitcoin) are *incredibly* easy to use at the personal level. Its just when you get the institutions involved that things get really complicated.

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December 16, 2018, 05:13:50 AM
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Much like a lot of other malarkey I read, this just seems to be another "Dinosaurs try to build something so they can work with new technology".

I love the image of dinosaurs hurriedly knitting sweaters just before the ice age hits.
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Basically, we are hodling and passing through dark times.  It is tough.  We may, or may not be right.  But if we are right, these will be the times we will feel vindicated by.

I am betting (and buying) on a gut feeling we are right.  So are you (you're still here, right?) and it's too late to sell at the top, too late for pointless hindsight. Now we can only take the pain, sit it out and find out.

If it works out, we will have EARNED the right to feel smug as fuck that we were right all along.

And I think we are right.


OMG kurious, this this this a thousand times THIS.  Thank you for saying it, resonated with me *bigly* right now.

Personally I'm basically fully OUT of crypto now, and looking back on last up/down crazy-ass cycle we are now emerging out of, I've decided to just look at it all as the last, final, "practice run" before the REAL SHOW will begin.

I watched the crypto run from $100 to $1,000 the first time.
I participated in the run from $1,000 to $10,000 second time (overshot to $20K yeah but really it should've been "only" 10k)

WHEN not IF this all goes *whoosh boom* again, it'll be the second-to-last 10-bagger mooning and cycle will be 10K to 100K (the 100K to 1Million theoretical run may not ever happen, IMO)

So THAT is the ONE we-all gotta be prepped ready aware awake and fully on our TOES to take advantage of.

And when it comes and I'm playin' it like a boss... goddamn you better fucking BELIEVE Ima be fucking SMUG as HELL about it.  LOL

 Grin

P.S. There was a time once, long long ago 'way back in the mists of time when I actually owned a wallet that held 1,000 Monero: please keep up this retracement HoneyPony! I am hopeful I will once again be able to afford to replace that stack  Grin

I agree with you both.

These are hard times for sure.  But how many times have we seen it?

This whole event... unfolding... whatever it is... makes me regret not being 25.  I mean I have quite a few good years left, but I don't think we are going to even see the tip of the iceberg for 20+ years.  Who on Earth knows what it will look like in 50?

I am a bitcoin maximalist in that I think Bitcoin will gobble up every crypto "feature" developed in other coins over time, but ONE.  And, I think, only ONE coin does something Bitcoin never can.

This is why it is not on that list of smoldering garbage Coinbase added recently.  I used to think people who said "We don't really want to be on Coinbase" were crazy (I have never used Coinbase lol).  Now I get it.  TPTB are terrified this project just might be successful.  All of them... governments, corporations, etc.

I think they got a pretty good ride coming.

We do too... but from the vantage point of the Engine Car. Wink
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December 16, 2018, 05:39:13 AM
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By the way...

I would like to Welcome some of our WO friends lurking here... you know who you are.

You know this project is different.  And though we *could* see .010 or even *sigh* .009xx levels, this just depends entirely on how deep BTC is going to go.  When the Market turns you KNOW there will be MANY LESS projects along for the ride. 

You also know this is one.

Which means it will slingshot and multiply your BTC gains.  Of course then we are just proving that "alts are just a way to stack more bitcoin" line that many believe is true right?

Right?

Or... will you realize as you begin thinking about Monero, that this project is different?  Like you did with bitcoin?

I bet so... so welcome, in advance. 

Good luck catching that knife.
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December 16, 2018, 05:58:54 AM
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Am I reading this whole BAKKT thing right? 

> Formed with the purpose of bringing trust, efficiency and commerce to digital assets, Bakkt seeks to develop open technology to connect existing market and merchant infrastructure to the blockchain.

Its hilarious. Bringing trust to trustless assets. Bringing efficiency to the most efficient form of money that exists. Perhaps the only thing it could bring is commerce.

Much like a lot of other malarkey I read, this just seems to be another "Dinosaurs try to build something so they can work with new technology".

Whats even more hilarious is that these things (monero, bitcoin) are *incredibly* easy to use at the personal level. Its just when you get the institutions involved that things get really complicated.

I think this is a valid take for sure.

But you know the banks are coming. 

They have no choice.

Some of them will get run over by the train... and some of them might actually figure out how to get on.  At the moment I give Bakkt more chance of making it (or at least being a good player) than Coinbase.
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December 16, 2018, 11:12:33 AM
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Calm down guys, this is a natural cicle in the whole environment, so chill out and wait for the next uptrend, we are just getting some air for the next run in march 2019  Grin Cheesy Wink Smiley

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December 16, 2018, 02:18:56 PM
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Bitcoin is a much safer bet at this point, Monero is losing rank on coinmarketcap and the daily volume is very low now.  I don't want to be left holding worthless alts at this point so I'm going to stick with the only trusted coin, BTC.  Goodluck with this coin if your staying invested in it but there is a good chance most of these
altcoins will die out.

I know the whole privacy thing but the majority of people don't care about that and there are a lot of other upcoming projects with privacy features.  I just don't see monero surviving.
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December 16, 2018, 02:56:21 PM
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Basically, we are hodling and passing through dark times.  It is tough.  We may, or may not be right.  But if we are right, these will be the times we will feel vindicated by.

I am betting (and buying) on a gut feeling we are right.  So are you (you're still here, right?) and it's too late to sell at the top, too late for pointless hindsight. Now we can only take the pain, sit it out and find out.

If it works out, we will have EARNED the right to feel smug as fuck that we were right all along.

And I think we are right.


OMG kurious, this this this a thousand times THIS.  Thank you for saying it, resonated with me *bigly* right now.

Personally I'm basically fully OUT of crypto now, and looking back on last up/down crazy-ass cycle we are now emerging out of, I've decided to just look at it all as the last, final, "practice run" before the REAL SHOW will begin.

I watched the crypto run from $100 to $1,000 the first time.
I participated in the run from $1,000 to $10,000 second time (overshot to $20K yeah but really it should've been "only" 10k)

WHEN not IF this all goes *whoosh boom* again, it'll be the second-to-last 10-bagger mooning and cycle will be 10K to 100K (the 100K to 1Million theoretical run may not ever happen, IMO)

So THAT is the ONE we-all gotta be prepped ready aware awake and fully on our TOES to take advantage of.

And when it comes and I'm playin' it like a boss... goddamn you better fucking BELIEVE Ima be fucking SMUG as HELL about it.  LOL

 Grin

P.S. There was a time once, long long ago 'way back in the mists of time when I actually owned a wallet that held 1,000 Monero: please keep up this retracement HoneyPony! I am hopeful I will once again be able to afford to replace that stack  Grin

I agree with you both.

These are hard times for sure.  But how many times have we seen it?

This whole event... unfolding... whatever it is... makes me regret not being 25.  I mean I have quite a few good years left, but I don't think we are going to even see the tip of the iceberg for 20+ years.  Who on Earth knows what it will look like in 50?

I am a bitcoin maximalist in that I think Bitcoin will gobble up every crypto "feature" developed in other coins over time, but ONE.  And, I think, only ONE coin does something Bitcoin never can.

This is why it is not on that list of smoldering garbage Coinbase added recently.  I used to think people who said "We don't really want to be on Coinbase" were crazy (I have never used Coinbase lol).  Now I get it.  TPTB are terrified this project just might be successful.  All of them... governments, corporations, etc.

I think they got a pretty good ride coming.

We do too... but from the vantage point of the Engine Car. Wink





Bitcoin is a much safer bet at this point, Monero is losing rank on coinmarketcap and the daily volume is very low now.  I don't want to be left holding worthless alts at this point so I'm going to stick with the only trusted coin, BTC.  Goodluck with this coin if your staying invested in it but there is a good chance most of these
altcoins will die out.

I know the whole privacy thing but the majority of people don't care about that and there are a lot of other upcoming projects with privacy features.  I just don't see monero surviving.

Please name one you think will be able to usurp Monero's privacy set.

Just one please.

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December 16, 2018, 02:56:39 PM
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Bitcoin is a much safer bet at this point, Monero is losing rank on coinmarketcap and the daily volume is very low now.  I don't want to be left holding worthless alts at this point so I'm going to stick with the only trusted coin, BTC.  Goodluck with this coin if your staying invested in it but there is a good chance most of these
altcoins will die out.

I know the whole privacy thing but the majority of people don't care about that and there are a lot of other upcoming projects with privacy features.  I just don't see monero surviving.

The whole song of, "I'm moving to safe BTC!" gets played every bear market, and when the music stops, everyone sees the profits people are making with alts and the whole cycle plays out again, with the people who fomo'd into alts, then back to BTC, then to alts again, anhilating their initial investment because they can't think for themselves.

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I think Indamuck got it the other way around.  And it's not really just about the 'privacy thing' but the 'tail emission thing' that's gonna show the space that 'oh sh*t, something like that should've been implemented in BTC'. 

I don't think BTC's fee market is gonna be 'a thing' in the long run.

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I think Indamuck got it the other way around.  And it's not really just about the 'privacy thing' but the 'tail emission thing' that's gonna show the space that 'oh sh*t, something like that should've been implemented in BTC'. 

I don't think BTC's fee market is gonna be 'a thing' in the long run.

The governance of BTC has become the same as any government throughout history.


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can Investment be made? I think it will rise in 2019. what are your views, master?

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December 17, 2018, 12:10:45 AM
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can Investment be made? I think it will rise in 2019. what are your views, master?



Monero will pretty much die a slow grinding death, bag holders will continue to cling on in desperation while smart money already converted to bitcoin.
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can Investment be made? I think it will rise in 2019. what are your views, master?



Monero will pretty much die a slow grinding death, bag holders will continue to cling on in desperation while smart money already converted to bitcoin.

Why are the trolls getting more aggressive lately? I noticed this with the other coin I follow--it's like they aren't even trying to hide the fact they're out-and-out trolling. At least put in a "Is it true...?" and feign some concern.

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Bitcoin is a much safer bet at this point, Monero is losing rank on coinmarketcap and the daily volume is very low now.  I don't want to be left holding worthless alts at this point so I'm going to stick with the only trusted coin, BTC.  Goodluck with this coin if your staying invested in it but there is a good chance most of these
altcoins will die out.

I know the whole privacy thing but the majority of people don't care about that and there are a lot of other upcoming projects with privacy features.  I just don't see monero surviving.

That is a big question now. Is it safer?  Bitcoin was way safer bet 8 months ago when Monero was 0.032btc. Now is only 0.012. So like 2.5 times less.  Betting on bitcoin 8 months ago would get you huge profits.  But betting on Bitcoin right now I am not sure anymore.

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can Investment be made? I think it will rise in 2019. what are your views, master?



Monero will pretty much die a slow grinding death, bag holders will continue to cling on in desperation while smart money already converted to bitcoin.

Why are the trolls getting more aggressive lately? I noticed this with the other coin I follow--it's like they aren't even trying to hide the fact they're out-and-out trolling. At least put in a "Is it true...?" and feign some concern.

They are out big-time in the BTC forums as well... WO/Reddit/Etc.
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can Investment be made? I think it will rise in 2019. what are your views, master?



Monero will pretty much die a slow grinding death, bag holders will continue to cling on in desperation while smart money already converted to bitcoin.

Why are the trolls getting more aggressive lately? I noticed this with the other coin I follow--it's like they aren't even trying to hide the fact they're out-and-out trolling. At least put in a "Is it true...?" and feign some concern.

They are out big-time in the BTC forums as well... WO/Reddit/Etc.

Quite few trolls are just in this and WO thread. And they dont post anywhere else. That seems interesting with all the noise that is nowadays on this forum.

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December 18, 2018, 03:50:24 AM
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Is Monero really this fucking cheap?  When is the bottom kids? Shocked

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This is a magical theme! I was fortunate enough to be able to see it. This is the 14-year cryptocurrency market. At that time, investors who bought cryptocurrencies have now become rich. I am very envious of you. You are a brave supporter of cryptocurrency.

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December 18, 2018, 06:22:33 PM
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Is Monero really this fucking cheap?  When is the bottom kids? Shocked

I keep thinking "this is it" and then its not. Smiley

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