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[philipma1957]

Hope y'all are being facetious...'cuz I was...  

Anyway...I've got enough data now to figure how things are going to look, at least for me. I've got three S7s in Labrador that are running at a 50% overhead, including power and psu's, based on the pool's production since the halving. Those particular units were ROI already, so that's a moot question in this instance. An S9 would run at the same absolute overhead as an S7, but produces around 12THs, v. 4THs. The math isn't complicated. It will make money on a monthly basis, as do the S7s.

The problem, of course, is in the ROI. Until Bitmain gets the cost down on the S9, I'm looking at running A6s instead. If I ran an S9 at the datacentre, it would take (given spot staying stable) around ten months for ROI.

Am I missing something in my math? S9s run ~$2000. 13T/s gets you ~.003/block. That's ~1000 blocks for roi. Where do you get your 10 months from?

From kano.is block stats

Description   Time   MeanTx%   Diff%   Mean%   CDF[Erl]   Luck%
Last 5 Blocks   2.1days   104.9%   187.78%   187.78%   0.9568   53.25%
Last 10 Blocks   4.8days   104.6%   206.85%   206.85%   0.9967   48.34%
Last 25 Blocks   7.5days   103.8%   129.08%   129.08%   0.9190   77.47%
Last 50 Blocks   13.5days   103.6%   115.96%   115.96%   0.8687   86.23%
Last 100 Blocks   25.3days   103.0%   104.70%   104.69%   0.6899   95.52%
Last 250 Blocks   8.4wks   102.2%   95.47%   95.11%   0.2222   105.14%

Last 500 Blocks   16.9wks   101.7%   96.27%   96.15%   0.1954   104.01%    2 x this is 33.8 weeks that is 8 months


Last 1000 Blocks   63.4wks   101.4%   93.61%   93.08%   0.0128   107.44%   this is 14 months


All - Last 1232 Blocks   97.2wks   101.2%   94.01%   94.24%   0.0200   106.11%


 she may have extrapolated 10 months based on those 2 stats.  it is reasonable to think it could be 10 months

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[swilla]

Hope y'all are being facetious...'cuz I was...  

Anyway...I've got enough data now to figure how things are going to look, at least for me. I've got three S7s in Labrador that are running at a 50% overhead, including power and psu's, based on the pool's production since the halving. Those particular units were ROI already, so that's a moot question in this instance. An S9 would run at the same absolute overhead as an S7, but produces around 12THs, v. 4THs. The math isn't complicated. It will make money on a monthly basis, as do the S7s.

The problem, of course, is in the ROI. Until Bitmain gets the cost down on the S9, I'm looking at running A6s instead. If I ran an S9 at the datacentre, it would take (given spot staying stable) around ten months for ROI.

Am I missing something in my math? S9s run ~$2000. 13T/s gets you ~.003/block. That's ~1000 blocks for roi. Where do you get your 10 months from?

From kano.is block stats

Description   Time   MeanTx%   Diff%   Mean%   CDF[Erl]   Luck%
Last 5 Blocks   2.1days   104.9%   187.78%   187.78%   0.9568   53.25%
Last 10 Blocks   4.8days   104.6%   206.85%   206.85%   0.9967   48.34%
Last 25 Blocks   7.5days   103.8%   129.08%   129.08%   0.9190   77.47%
Last 50 Blocks   13.5days   103.6%   115.96%   115.96%   0.8687   86.23%
Last 100 Blocks   25.3days   103.0%   104.70%   104.69%   0.6899   95.52%
Last 250 Blocks   8.4wks   102.2%   95.47%   95.11%   0.2222   105.14%

Last 500 Blocks   16.9wks   101.7%   96.27%   96.15%   0.1954   104.01%    2 x this is 33.8 weeks that is 8 months


Last 1000 Blocks   63.4wks   101.4%   93.61%   93.08%   0.0128   107.44%   this is 14 months


All - Last 1232 Blocks   97.2wks   101.2%   94.01%   94.24%   0.0200   106.11%


 she may have extrapolated 10 months based on those 2 stats.  it is reasonable to think it could be 10 months

Just thought I missed something. Though if we would start hitting 10+ blocks a day regularly it could be done in ~4 months. That would be great. Let's see some bright bright green!

[gnu123]

Will an S9 be able to pay for itself under its lifetime ?

I might be stupid, but when I count on it I come to the conclusion that an S9 is so expensive and produces to little so it wont be able to pay for itself for a very long time.

At current prices, not considering electric cost it's almost 1000 blocks to pay itself off. If you look at our block history that should only take about 64 weeks. So barring a nice btc price increase it doesn't look very promising.

Thnx. At current prices.... I think that the difficulty will start ta rise again in a month or two, so maybe it will take 164 weeks or 264 weeks to earn back the price of an S9.

[firetreeactual]

Yup, I was using historical averages and that's how. Still a frakking long time.

[kano]

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From kano.is block stats

Description       Time      MeanTx%   Diff%    Mean%    CDF[Erl]  Luck%
...
Last 25 Blocks    7.5days   103.8%  129.08%  129.08%  0.9190    77.47%
Last 50 Blocks   13.5days  103.6%  115.96%  115.96%  0.8687    86.23%
Last 100 Blocks  25.3days  103.0%  104.70%  104.69%  0.6899    95.52%
...

They're the numbers I'm worried about.

Mainly 25 and 50, since a CDF[Erl] of 0.6899 on 100 isn't in any way an unexpected value.

A whole week of that sort of bad luck sux and annoys me just as much as anyone else.

The main issue is that to actually cause a swing in luck that bad (and for it to not be just bad luck) would require a large hash rate.
Of course no single miner on the pool has a hash rate that big and also has that sort of bad luck.

So I've been working on the 'keysummary' stats and the luck reports (as mentioned before) and working on getting more history, from before I added the 'keysummary' change.
Those stats I showed the other day were from 'keysummary', but as I said then, there's not enough history yet to come to any conclusions, so I'm working on generating history.

[swilla]

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From kano.is block stats

Description       Time      MeanTx%   Diff%    Mean%    CDF[Erl]  Luck%
...
Last 25 Blocks    7.5days   103.8%  129.08%  129.08%  0.9190    77.47%
Last 50 Blocks   13.5days  103.6%  115.96%  115.96%  0.8687    86.23%
Last 100 Blocks  25.3days  103.0%  104.70%  104.69%  0.6899    95.52%
...

They're the numbers I'm worried about.

Mainly 25 and 50, since a CDF[Erl] of 0.6899 on 100 isn't in any way an unexpected value.

A whole week of that sort of bad luck sux and annoys me just as much as anyone else.

The main issue is that to actually cause a swing in luck that bad (and for it to not be just bad luck) would require a large hash rate.
Of course no single miner on the pool has a hash rate that big and also has that sort of bad luck.

So I've been working on the 'keysummary' stats and the luck reports (as mentioned before) and working on getting more history, from before I added the 'keysummary' change.
Those stats I showed the other day were from 'keysummary', but as I said then, there's not enough history yet to come to any conclusions, so I'm working on generating history.

That's why this pool is the best. The operator is always operating! Hopefully the next diff adjustment helps a lot.

[philipma1957]

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From kano.is block stats

Description       Time      MeanTx%   Diff%    Mean%    CDF[Erl]  Luck%
...
Last 25 Blocks    7.5days   103.8%  129.08%  129.08%  0.9190    77.47%
Last 50 Blocks   13.5days  103.6%  115.96%  115.96%  0.8687    86.23%
Last 100 Blocks  25.3days  103.0%  104.70%  104.69%  0.6899    95.52%
...

They're the numbers I'm worried about.

Mainly 25 and 50, since a CDF[Erl] of 0.6899 on 100 isn't in any way an unexpected value.

A whole week of that sort of bad luck sux and annoys me just as much as anyone else.

The main issue is that to actually cause a swing in luck that bad (and for it to not be just bad luck) would require a large hash rate.
Of course no single miner on the pool has a hash rate that big and also has that sort of bad luck.

So I've been working on the 'keysummary' stats and the luck reports (as mentioned before) and working on getting more history, from before I added the 'keysummary' change.
Those stats I showed the other day were from 'keysummary', but as I said then, there's not enough history yet to come to any conclusions, so I'm working on generating history.

the bolded 95.52%   is still fractionally better then then f2pool's 96%

for two reasons:

one) you give the transaction fee
two) then send every nite and charge 0.0001 for the send (this may be wrong it is from memory)

[wmabern]

Seems to be about time for a boat-load of anime character sacrifices.  

BLOCK

[clgrissom3]

Block! *You beat me to this one!*  

Good job ajmm0413!  Welcome to the Acclaim Board with your 1st Kano block! 

[wmabern]

Block! *You beat me to this one!* 

LOL. I had just posted about a sacrifice and hit post, then I saw a block was found a few seconds earlier. I then came back and edited my post.

[sloopy]

Mods: If this should be moved to the HW thread I apologize but I wanted to see responses from a small sample of my mining brothers and sisters here.

I do not normally recommend updating firmware and am not recommending anyone do so at this time. There could be all sorts of problems such as bricking the miner.

My experience with my recent avalon 6 update has been positive.

I took some screenshots of the miner GUI and poolside user shift performance for that miner. Not a great enough time has passed to say this is / was a good move.
Initially it appears I have made good gains in hashrate.
I only applied the MM update for troubleshooting.

My incoming voltage is over 12. Using the awesome adjustable 4k setup with the s9.
The hmi used to show 12, - 12.2 but that changed after an RPI update and I have not applied the most recent RPI update.
The hmi now shows between 11.8 and 12.1

I will post numbers when I confirm a consistent increase over additional time.

[wmabern]

Time to speak again of anime sacrifices...    

[delicin33]

Time to speak again of anime sacrifices...    

2nd block for today… we need green green block

[citronick]

Time to speak again of anime sacrifices...    

2nd block for today… we need green green block

a fat one too....

delicin33 --- we need some more ayam goreng sacrifice!

[aarons6]

this is the best share i think ive ever had.. only half way there too

[citronick]

this is the best share i think ive ever had.. only half way there too

Wow.... if that was on solo pool it will be yummy if you catch that block!

[kano]

Has anyone ever used genesis mining?
Could you PM me your account and when you did?
I want to be able to track (and probably block) their access to the pool, since they are the ones who caused the withholding on slush.
(no it won't affect your payouts)

[VRobb]

Block! Another from tich13 who's the chit! Thank you sir, may I have another?

[wmabern]

Well, the last 3 blocks might not have been green, but at least they weren't red!  

I just noticed we have a heck of a lot of horsepower on the pool right now. Over 50PH. I hope they are all "good guys"!   

Let's find some blocks today!!!!

[wmabern]

Has anyone ever used genesis mining?
Could you PM me your account and when you did?
I want to be able to track (and probably block) their access to the pool, since they are the ones who caused the withholding on slush.
(no it won't affect your payouts)

Do you think we may have interlopers on the pool now with mischief on their mind? Or just exploring possibilities?