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[kano]

The only way around this would be to try to force an orphan race and hope we got a double confirm.
But purposefully creating an orphan race after a block change is frowned upon and we don't do that ... though I've no idea if other pools do, or not.

I was thinking about that when I saw the previous comment. There's got to be some value in trying to build on your own (orphaned) block. It would take someone with far more math and game theory experience than me, though, to work out the correct probabilities and returns. I'm sure someone has already done that, though, privately if not publicly -- and I would be very surprised if the "corporate" pools didn't have some sort of policy in place about that, so as to maximize their return.

At 45PH it's about a one in 34 chance of us confirming our own block.
Since how rare it is that we'd get a stale block, that makes it pretty much pointless anyway.
e.g. if it was about 1 in 400 (well it's probably less likely even than that) that's 1 in 400 * 35 = 1 in 14,000 so yeah very pointless.

[kano]

Kano, just curious are you going to stop using Blocktrail now?
https://blog.blocktrail.com/2016/07/blocktrail-is-now-a-part-of-the-bitmain-family/

Well until they screw up blocktrail, I guess I'll leave the links pointing there.

Blockchain.info sux coz they don't show our transactions properly and they used to flag any address that a pool gets an orphan on, falsely as unsafe double spending, so I avoid that POS

[ZACHM]

Kano, just curious are you going to stop using Blocktrail now?
https://blog.blocktrail.com/2016/07/blocktrail-is-now-a-part-of-the-bitmain-family/

Well until they screw up blocktrail, I guess I'll leave the links pointing there.

Blockchain.info sux coz they don't show our transactions properly and they used to flag any address that a pool gets an orphan on, falsely as unsafe double spending, so I avoid that POS

Yeah, that is what I thought. Anyone know of a decent public explorer? 

[edonkey]

Kano, just curious are you going to stop using Blocktrail now?
https://blog.blocktrail.com/2016/07/blocktrail-is-now-a-part-of-the-bitmain-family/

Well until they screw up blocktrail, I guess I'll leave the links pointing there.

Blockchain.info sux coz they don't show our transactions properly and they used to flag any address that a pool gets an orphan on, falsely as unsafe double spending, so I avoid that POS

Yeah, that is what I thought. Anyone know of a decent public explorer? 

I use blockr.io, but mainly because it looks nice and it's *not* Blockchain.info. I don't actually know if it's any better than the alternatives.

[dance191]

The only way around this would be to try to force an orphan race and hope we got a double confirm.
But purposefully creating an orphan race after a block change is frowned upon and we don't do that ... though I've no idea if other pools do, or not.

I was thinking about that when I saw the previous comment. There's got to be some value in trying to build on your own (orphaned) block. It would take someone with far more math and game theory experience than me, though, to work out the correct probabilities and returns. I'm sure someone has already done that, though, privately if not publicly -- and I would be very surprised if the "corporate" pools didn't have some sort of policy in place about that, so as to maximize their return.

At 45PH it's about a one in 34 chance of us confirming our own block.
Since how rare it is that we'd get a stale block, that makes it pretty much pointless anyway.
e.g. if it was about 1 in 400 (well it's probably less likely even than that) that's 1 in 400 * 35 = 1 in 14,000 so yeah very pointless.

KyrosKrane, it isn't that complicated, you got the important parts.  The main thing is if you could get the next block, your reward would be double (as you would be getting 2 blocks by confirming your first, rather than only getting the second block).  Basically, you have about a 10 minute shot at double the reward when this happens (a 2 block reward rather than the normal 1 block reward).

Yeah, it is 1 in 14,000 for any block the pool finds (I assume Kano is saying this happens every 400 blocks or so at the pool), so the pool has only had about a 10% chance of doing this so far being at block 1191.  Not great odds and it isn't a realistic thing that changes rewards at the pool.

I could see how it is not looked at in a good light.  However, there is normally nothing to be gained by working on a block the network isn't working on, so I think in general people would not do this (there is no point in working on a old block if you have not already solved it, it is in your interest to move on).  However, if you have solved a block that might become a stale or an orphan, it is probably to your advantage to try confirming that block, it basically doubles your reward if you find the next block.  Overall, built into the bitcoin protocol is a pretty good system of rewards that gets people to behave how they should.  That is until you get to 51%, then you can get all of the blocks with only 51% of the speed (by working on and confirming only your blocks, eventually you would have the longest chain and would orphan all other blocks), undo confirmed spends, etc.

[clgrissom3]

Block by tich13 with his 20th Kano block and our 4th of the day! 

[traxor]

And he has found 3 of the last 8 blocks... 

WOW!!!

[VRobb]

Yeah, tich13 is the chit!  Plus the latest block just got another confirmation so it's ours!!!  Mine on! 

[gabb3r]

Hello, already more than a day I can not get a verification email. What to do ?  . the same nickname.

[firetreeactual]

Hello, already more than a day I can not get a verification email. What to do ?  . the same nickname.

Hang on, mate...it's only 0630 in Kano Land... 

[wolfen]

Ordered four s9's, shipped two with UPS and two with DHL.
UPS - no fee.
DHL - $36 fee.

DHL seems to give me more grief with time in customs.
UPS has a plane from China every day to Dulles VA. Plus you can sign for it online so you don't have to be there when it arrives.

Do we have a watts per hashboard measurment on the s9? These are 12.93th 600m clock batch 9. Just wanted to know if it matches specs.

My S9 B3 measures 1290W at Toomim (total for all 3 hashboards)...spec says 1275W + 7% at the wall with 93% efficiency (1364W) so this unit is under that.  I'm running at stock speeds and my red line average on Kano is 12.86THs which is also well within specs.

I have used UPS for all of my shipments and I have never been charged any extra yet.  They are fast also...once they ship, they are usually online by noon on the third day.  My batch 9 will be delivered tomorrow morning and it shipped Monday morning.

Thanks for the wattage.
Definately UPS for shipping.
Keepkey rocks, I mine straight to its bitcoin address.
The 'safe' new bitcoin address is a bit confusing when you send BTC out of it. But I like it, another layer of privacy.

[firetreeactual]

Ordered four s9's, shipped two with UPS and two with DHL.
UPS - no fee.
DHL - $36 fee.

DHL seems to give me more grief with time in customs.
UPS has a plane from China every day to Dulles VA. Plus you can sign for it online so you don't have to be there when it arrives.

Do we have a watts per hashboard measurment on the s9? These are 12.93th 600m clock batch 9. Just wanted to know if it matches specs.

My S9 B3 measures 1290W at Toomim (total for all 3 hashboards)...spec says 1275W + 7% at the wall with 93% efficiency (1364W) so this unit is under that.  I'm running at stock speeds and my red line average on Kano is 12.86THs which is also well within specs.

I have used UPS for all of my shipments and I have never been charged any extra yet.  They are fast also...once they ship, they are usually online by noon on the third day.  My batch 9 will be delivered tomorrow morning and it shipped Monday morning.

Thanks for the wattage.
Definately UPS for shipping.
Keepkey rocks, I mine straight to its bitcoin address.
The 'safe' new bitcoin address is a bit confusing when you send BTC out of it. But I like it, another layer of privacy.

Good info. We're about to spring for an S9 (I hope). The S7s I bought I chose FedEx, and it was around US$40 ea for shipping; it took longer than I thought it should have, and ended up crossing the ocean at least once unnecessarily (all three of them). It's gonna be UPS this time.

Besides...I've known the local "brown" driver 15 years, and he likes my coffee... 

[dance191]

How is it that Moe has almost 4 PH/s, claims he is a teenager (I don't know of any teenagers than can handle that much hardware) and will be bankrupt from the ~ 30 BTC he lost? 

Moe, I am not calling you a liar or anything, but 30 BTC is petty cash when dealing with 4 PH/s (I think you might have said 1/2 is hardware you have and 1/2 is a rental?).  Loosing 30 BTC is never fun, but I don't think it would bankrupt a 2 ~ 4 PH/s operation.  Is that 4 PH/s all rentals or something, I thought you said it was half hardware you had?  Maybe I am not remembering correctly.

Just trying to understand...

[clgrissom3]

Block by Xbugz with 30.52THs!  Welcome to the Acclaim Board with your 1st Kano block! 

That is our 5th block of the day! 

[kano]

Hello, already more than a day I can not get a verification email. What to do ?   . the same nickname.

Not sure which "verification email" you mean but:

If you tried to do a "Password Reset" then that only works if you type in your "Username" and "Email" correctly.
Usernames are also case sensitive.
It doesn't tell you if you typed it wrong, since I don't want a web page for people to be able to test if accounts and email addresses exist.
As it says on the web page after you click on "Reset":

"An Email has been sent that will allow you to reset your password
If you got your username or email address wrong you wont get the email"

If you weren't trying to do a password reset:
You are sent an email if you change your account in certain ways

e.g. the first time you login you'll get a big red message at the top of the screen saying:
"Please set a payout address on your account!"
So when you do that, you will get an email saying it has been set.

If your email address is no good, invalid, incorrect etc. you wont get any email.

I wont help people to get access to their accounts any other way.
If you can't remember your "Username" look at your miner settings.
If you aren't mining, well, then I don't care

[traxor]

Block by Steve0!!!  

btw -- doesn't your pool block email addresses from certain providers like hotmail?

Just in case that is his/her problem.

[fusion0389]

I'm liking the green blocks!! For you veteran miners out there, do you reinvest your mining rewards into more hardware (hashpower) or do you cash out? Just trying to get a feel for the different methods to the madness. On a side note, i've been impressed with the kano pool support, everyone i've contacted has been polite even with my noob questions.

[kano]

Block by Steve0!!!  

btw -- doesn't your pool block email addresses from certain providers like hotmail?

Just in case that is his/her problem.

The web site wont let you sign up with hotmail., outlook. or live.
and it says so if you try.

https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool/src/3742e105553faa8a8ec33dd63293e92172d8c865/pool/base.php?at=master&fileviewer=file-view-default#base.php-306

[maxsettings]

Kano, just curious are you going to stop using Blocktrail now?
https://blog.blocktrail.com/2016/07/blocktrail-is-now-a-part-of-the-bitmain-family/

Well until they screw up blocktrail, I guess I'll leave the links pointing there.

Blockchain.info sux coz they don't show our transactions properly and they used to flag any address that a pool gets an orphan on, falsely as unsafe double spending, so I avoid that POS

Yeah, that is what I thought. Anyone know of a decent public explorer? 

I use blockr.io, but mainly because it looks nice and it's *not* Blockchain.info. I don't actually know if it's any better than the alternatives.

I like tradeblock, but for the same reasons listed above.

[chillfactr]

Ok as block 421519 was solved by wampi.nice1, i was just watching my s7's and s4's green blinking lights, all of a sudden a couple s7's and 3 s4's blinked red once and then back to green.   Immediately after that kano notification came through phone app that block was solved. im no mining on kano pool.  im only running solo ck pool.  was it coincidence? or it does flash red when block on pool is found?  machines are not running hot either.
Just curious