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[AltCoinBuddah]

Not to mention the fact the Bter and Chinese guys are in China and could give two fucks about any law or court in the US. 

[dzimbeck]

Not to mention the fact the Bter and Chinese guys are in China and could give two fucks about any law or court in the US. 

Correct.

[Munti]

Can the people that have been scammed, and with all the fraud that's been committed can 'we' the community sue the devs and bter?

Anyone know law?

You all claim to have records which you will have to hand over otherwise you will be withholding information which is also a crime.

I would like to state im willing to continue the coin as promised make my personal involvement transparent. My history, how i was hired on and clear my name. Ive never scammed anyone lets make that very crystal clear. I'm looking for peace. I can do in my power whatever is needed to make the coin great. Investors only suffered so far a minor drop. I'm of the impression Bob and Ryan sold most their coins already.

 I think Steve & BTER will also be willing to do help as well with what is left of the funds. In the new thread we can take the full communities response (the real one not the paid fake one). Everyone, lets move over there please.

For investors I'm strongly considering a 1:1 exchange. My dev schedule has suffered a small setback because of this. Nothing that we cant push forward from. It can be positive and transparent. It will be. Thats why I was hired for this license.

Thank you.

And what about everyone who sold at a loss when this coin tanked when the news of your partnership with Bob Surplus came to light? and the fake BTC at Bter? what does your compromise offer mean for them?

My understanding of what was going on was after my deposit was paid and the ICO was started. I didnt know who Bob was, I can prove that with relative ease. For the people who are upset at BTER one thing to consider here. That is a much more difficult and complex thing to pursue. Bitcoin is still unregulated. I'm not sure you will get far on that. They did after all pay as agreed the bitcoins to each party that was drafted. Very difficult if not impossible to make any case on them. If anything my info defends them. They bought their own coin. I'm not aware of what law that actually broke. However, threats, defamation, brand damage, (need i list all of it this page would be filled) are very clear and transparent are illegal in any country Bob and Ryan run to. Easy.

BTER and Steven are happy to pursue what is left of the BTC that wasnt extorted from them.

Bter released the bitcoin before milestones were reached. In my country that would be a serious crime.

[AltCoinBuddah]

Wow, as soon as a few people start mentioning lawyers and BTer you get all conciliatory Zimbeck. U got Lin on the other line i guess.

Actually i can prove that in fact, i dont. I'm just politely requesting the community lets me do what i love and thats to make software. Ive already said, im the most transparent person in crypto by far. It was ironic i was even within miles of a mess like this. I'm going to share my wallets with you all. Something in no way am i required to do. BTER is a much more difficult thing to pursue if not impossible I think it would be a huge waste of community money. Not to mention time.

David if your so honest you care to explain why you ripped this coin off? bitXbay http://bitxbay.ws/ https://github.com/bitxbay/BitXBay which was made Jun 9th. the git hub doesn't lie. Their web site details smart contracts and thus BlackHalo. It's a clear rip of that other coin. Blackhalo and Bitbay are clones of that coins software.

David care to explain why you ripped this coin off?

[elenorrigby]

Wow, as soon as a few people start mentioning lawyers and BTer you get all conciliatory Zimbeck. U got Lin on the other line i guess.

Actually i can prove that in fact, i dont. I'm just politely requesting the community lets me do what i love and thats to make software. Ive already said, im the most transparent person in crypto by far. It was ironic i was even within miles of a mess like this. I'm going to share my wallets with you all. Something in no way am i required to do. BTER is a much more difficult thing to pursue if not impossible I think it would be a huge waste of community money. Not to mention time.

David if your so honest you care to explain why you ripped this coin off? bitXbay http://bitxbay.ws/ https://github.com/bitxbay/BitXBay which was made Jun 9th. the git hub doesn't lie. Their web site details smart contracts and thus BlackHalo. It's a clear rip of that other coin. Blackhalo and Bitbay are clones of that coins software.

David care to explain why you ripped this coin off?

Don't bother him he is busy trying to explain why we should not think about suing BTer for being his partner in crime. The list of frauds that must be explained away here is long here friend, take your ticket and wait in line.

[dzimbeck]

Wow, as soon as a few people start mentioning lawyers and BTer you get all conciliatory Zimbeck. U got Lin on the other line i guess.

Actually i can prove that in fact, i dont. I'm just politely requesting the community lets me do what i love and thats to make software. Ive already said, im the most transparent person in crypto by far. It was ironic i was even within miles of a mess like this. I'm going to share my wallets with you all. Something in no way am i required to do. BTER is a much more difficult thing to pursue if not impossible I think it would be a huge waste of community money. Not to mention time.

David if your so honest you care to explain why you ripped this coin off? bitXbay http://bitxbay.ws/ https://github.com/bitxbay/BitXBay which was made Jun 9th. the git hub doesn't lie. Their web site details smart contracts and thus BlackHalo. It's a clear rip of that other coin. Blackhalo and Bitbay are clones of that coins software.

David care to explain why you ripped this coin off?

You know that isnt true. And so does everyone on this forum.

[Cryptosis]

Bitcoin is treated as property in the law with you holding the control, once u give another control of your btc its up to you to trust that they will do right with it. its shitty i know but not by legal definition a crime.. during ico people willing gave up btc for bay, you gave them access to your funds based on trust and as it turns out was not a good idea. but going to court i think would be very hard to prove a crime when its not considered legal currency but only a tangible property barter with trust. Now whether what happened with Bter and fake btc and buying into your own ico if thats considered criminal im not sure but given the long list of scams in btc's history and none that i know about have ever been prosecuted i could only  imagine that this will also not be pursued

Yes yes very wise analysis, thank you! Everything is ok now, please come to other thread!!  Thank you for continued support, 2.0 technology coming soon!

Lol your an ass, rip people off n then patronize them, u got balls my man

[dzimbeck]

Wow, as soon as a few people start mentioning lawyers and BTer you get all conciliatory Zimbeck. U got Lin on the other line i guess.

Actually i can prove that in fact, i dont. I'm just politely requesting the community lets me do what i love and thats to make software. Ive already said, im the most transparent person in crypto by far. It was ironic i was even within miles of a mess like this. I'm going to share my wallets with you all. Something in no way am i required to do. BTER is a much more difficult thing to pursue if not impossible I think it would be a huge waste of community money. Not to mention time.

David if your so honest you care to explain why you ripped this coin off? bitXbay http://bitxbay.ws/ https://github.com/bitxbay/BitXBay which was made Jun 9th. the git hub doesn't lie. Their web site details smart contracts and thus BlackHalo. It's a clear rip of that other coin. Blackhalo and Bitbay are clones of that coins software.

David care to explain why you ripped this coin off?

Don't bother him he is busy trying to explain why we should not think about suing BTer for being his partner in crime. The list of frauds that must be explained away here is long here friend, take your ticket and wait in line.

Not at all. I'm aware you guys were hurt by them. I think its a very difficult case in China.

[elenorrigby]

Wow, as soon as a few people start mentioning lawyers and BTer you get all conciliatory Zimbeck. U got Lin on the other line i guess.

Actually i can prove that in fact, i dont. I'm just politely requesting the community lets me do what i love and thats to make software. Ive already said, im the most transparent person in crypto by far. It was ironic i was even within miles of a mess like this. I'm going to share my wallets with you all. Something in no way am i required to do. BTER is a much more difficult thing to pursue if not impossible I think it would be a huge waste of community money. Not to mention time.

David if your so honest you care to explain why you ripped this coin off? bitXbay http://bitxbay.ws/ https://github.com/bitxbay/BitXBay which was made Jun 9th. the git hub doesn't lie. Their web site details smart contracts and thus BlackHalo. It's a clear rip of that other coin. Blackhalo and Bitbay are clones of that coins software.

David care to explain why you ripped this coin off?

Don't bother him he is busy trying to explain why we should not think about suing BTer for being his partner in crime. The list of frauds that must be explained away here is long here friend, take your ticket and wait in line.

Not at all. I'm aware you guys were hurt by them. I think its a very difficult case in China.

And that in a nutshell is you Zimbeck. For three weeks you concealed your involvement in this scam. In this reply, you have the gall to say "you guys" were hurt by "them". No mention of yourself and the fat stack of coins you are sitting on. No mention of you hiding the fraud from the community for weeks while they kept buying. You have been balls deep in crypto for a couple years now, and you say you did not know who bob surplus was? Shit, my grandma's an eskimo with dial up, she knows who Bob is. There seems to be no limit to what you think people will believe.

[InvestorPerson]

bohoohoo bter is evil

and still you all will keep using it 

greed got you all by the balls


 

[dzimbeck]

Wow, as soon as a few people start mentioning lawyers and BTer you get all conciliatory Zimbeck. U got Lin on the other line i guess.

Actually i can prove that in fact, i dont. I'm just politely requesting the community lets me do what i love and thats to make software. Ive already said, im the most transparent person in crypto by far. It was ironic i was even within miles of a mess like this. I'm going to share my wallets with you all. Something in no way am i required to do. BTER is a much more difficult thing to pursue if not impossible I think it would be a huge waste of community money. Not to mention time.

David if your so honest you care to explain why you ripped this coin off? bitXbay http://bitxbay.ws/ https://github.com/bitxbay/BitXBay which was made Jun 9th. the git hub doesn't lie. Their web site details smart contracts and thus BlackHalo. It's a clear rip of that other coin. Blackhalo and Bitbay are clones of that coins software.

David care to explain why you ripped this coin off?

Don't bother him he is busy trying to explain why we should not think about suing BTer for being his partner in crime. The list of frauds that must be explained away here is long here friend, take your ticket and wait in line.

Not at all. I'm aware you guys were hurt by them. I think its a very difficult case in China.

And that in a nutshell is you Zimbeck. For three weeks you concealed your involvement in this scam. In this reply, you have the gall to say "you guys" were hurt by "them". No mention of yourself and the fat stack of coins you are sitting on. No mention of you hiding the fraud from the community for weeks while they kept buying. You have been balls deep in crypto for a couple years now, and you say you did not know who bob surplus was? Shit, my grandma's an eskimo with dial up, she knows who Bob is. There seems to be no limit to what you think people will believe.

In fact, i didnt have any clue who he was. I'm tired of repeating that. Steven was the one who approached me, ive cleared that with a reporter showing those logs. Ive got emails to back that up too. I wish i knew things would have been very different indeed.

I'm not a crypto trader, im a software dev. If i was a trader last year, i would have been a millionaire. My full time involvement in crypto started with Halo and that was only in December of last year. (one full year)

My stack of coins was never sold something im going to prove. I've got no interest in selling them. It may be wise to use it for bounties. I'm going to get some rest. Its 4AM.

[toknormal]

And that in a nutshell is you Zimbeck. For three weeks you concealed your involvement in this scam. In this reply, you have the gall to say "you guys" were hurt by "them". No mention of yourself and the fat stack of coins you are sitting on. No mention of you hiding the fraud from the community for weeks while they kept buying. You have been balls deep in crypto for a couple years now, and you say you did not know who bob surplus was? Shit, my grandma's an eskimo with dial up, she knows who Bob is. There seems to be no limit to what you think people will believe.

You people peddling this Zimbeck scam b.s. are rapidly making yourselfs look like a bunch of paranoid clowns.

It's crystal clear by now to any literate observer with 2 brain cells between their ears that the worst he's guilty of is holding off going public with what he became aware of after the IPO. But considering he probably had his plate full trying to satisfy the demands of bay community for new features it's kind of understandable that it wasn't the first thing on his mind.

On the other hand the sight of a baying mob circling like bloodhounds issuing all kinds of venomous innuendo directed at him with no significant basis is certainly one to behold. Talk about trying to divert attention to where the action isn't.

Despite that, he appears to be the only party in this sorry affair who's trying to prepare a proper account of everything. The fact is he doesn't need to bother because he's got nothing to defend apart from a bunch of low flying cow pats coming his way from the crooked coward brigade in the other field trying to keep the spotlight off themselves.

[Coingrab]

In fact, i didnt have any clue who he was. I'm tired of repeating that. Steven was the one who approached me, ive cleared that with a reporter showing those logs. Ive got emails to back that up too. I wish i knew things would have been very different indeed.

I'm not a crypto trader, im a software dev. If i was a trader last year, i would have been a millionaire. My full time involvement in crypto started with Halo and that was only in December of last year. (one full year)

My stack of coins was never sold something im going to prove. I've got no interest in selling them. It may be wise to use it for bounties. I'm going to get some rest. Its 4AM.

Then why are you in this photo partying with Bob's and Gekko's ladies? So much for not knowing Bobs. You know their ladies though and just happen to be parting up on ICO night with them?

[powersup]

Bob is that your chic to the left? Not bad! Nice rack. 

Looks like the chick on the left is going for some bitbay ballin 

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

And that in a nutshell is you Zimbeck. For three weeks you concealed your involvement in this scam. In this reply, you have the gall to say "you guys" were hurt by "them". No mention of yourself and the fat stack of coins you are sitting on. No mention of you hiding the fraud from the community for weeks while they kept buying. You have been balls deep in crypto for a couple years now, and you say you did not know who bob surplus was? Shit, my grandma's an eskimo with dial up, she knows who Bob is. There seems to be no limit to what you think people will believe.

You people peddling this Zimbeck scam b.s. are rapidly making yourselfs look like a bunch of paranoid clowns.

It's crystal clear by now to any literate observer with 2 brain cells between their ears that the worst he's guilty of is holding off going public with what he became aware of after the IPO. But considering he probably had his plate full trying to satisfy the demands of bay community for new features it's kind of understandable that it wasn't the first thing on his mind.

On the other hand the sight of a baying mob circling like bloodhounds issuing all kinds of venomous innuendo directed at him with no significant basis is certainly one to behold. Talk about trying to divert attention to where the action isn't.

Despite that, he appears to be the only party in this sorry affair who's trying to prepare a proper account of everything. The fact is he doesn't need to bother because he's got nothing to defend apart from a bunch of low flying cow pats coming his way from the crooked coward brigade in the other field trying to keep the spotlight off themselves.

This is consistent with my analysis of the situation

[bitcad4u]

Look, I was gonna go easy on you not to hurt your feelings
But I'm only going to get this one chance
Something's wrong, I can feel it.
Just a feeling I got, like something's about to happen but I don't know what
If that means what I think it means, we're in trouble, big trouble

[Sumo]

He is as bannanas as you say 

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Look, I was gonna go easy on you not to hurt your feelings
But I'm only going to get this one chance
Something's wrong, I can feel it.
Just a feeling I got, like something's about to happen but I don't know what
If that means what I think it means, we're in trouble, big trouble

Are these Eminem lyrics?

[bitcad4u]

Look, I was gonna go easy on you not to hurt your feelings
But I'm only going to get this one chance
Something's wrong, I can feel it.
Just a feeling I got, like something's about to happen but I don't know what
If that means what I think it means, we're in trouble, big trouble

Are these Eminem lyrics?

I ain't sayin this for sake of this rhyme, and I ain't LYIN
I'm man enough to say it and mean it, niggas can be gone
I'ma do another verse but it ain't much more I can SPEAK on!

[Cryptosis]

And that in a nutshell is you Zimbeck. For three weeks you concealed your involvement in this scam. In this reply, you have the gall to say "you guys" were hurt by "them". No mention of yourself and the fat stack of coins you are sitting on. No mention of you hiding the fraud from the community for weeks while they kept buying. You have been balls deep in crypto for a couple years now, and you say you did not know who bob surplus was? Shit, my grandma's an eskimo with dial up, she knows who Bob is. There seems to be no limit to what you think people will believe.

You people peddling this Zimbeck scam b.s. are rapidly making yourselfs look like a bunch of paranoid clowns.

It's crystal clear by now to any literate observer with 2 brain cells between their ears that the worst he's guilty of is holding off going public with what he became aware of after the IPO. But considering he probably had his plate full trying to satisfy the demands of bay community for new features it's kind of understandable that it wasn't the first thing on his mind.

On the other hand the sight of a baying mob circling like bloodhounds issuing all kinds of venomous innuendo directed at him with no significant basis is certainly one to behold. Talk about trying to divert attention to where the action isn't.

Despite that, he appears to be the only party in this sorry affair who's trying to prepare a proper account of everything. The fact is he doesn't need to bother because he's got nothing to defend apart from a bunch of low flying cow pats coming his way from the crooked coward brigade in the other field trying to keep the spotlight off themselves.

We'll said tok, I think he's spent the last couple days explaining the same things over and over, to me I think he should move forward and quit answering the fud in here n get back to business. People asking him the same Q's over and over at this point isn't going to change people's opinions. It's blatantly clear to anyone who read the logs that from day one they were threatening to use his name and if he questioned their tactics they'd drag him through the mud. I actually feel sorry for the guy, his intentions were not malicious n his only crime I see is trying to protect Steven and Lin from being exposed for their involvement and protecting the community from what circus would follow. I do hope he try's to finish the project but if he doesn't i do not blame him, no matter what he does their are going to be people that are going to try and character assassinate him n deflect the narrative from the real sociopaths.