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April 11, 2013, 08:01:07 PM
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GOX tries to regulate FREE MARKET. ... impossible ... will pay tax(loses customers). If somebody wish to sell $0.01/btc why not ?

Gox literally strangles baby eagles to death and burns the 'MURICAN flag when they impose rules on their private exchange.

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April 11, 2013, 08:03:50 PM
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http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/as-big-investors-emerge-bitcoin-gets-ready-for-its-close-up/
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April 11, 2013, 08:05:24 PM
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It turns out Mt. Gox. shutting down was a bad idea in retrospect, when they shutdown the downwards lag-crash was about to recover and go up and lag was coming down. Now it's just a crazy free-for-all


What's bad about it? This is a free market. If people want to go crazy, panic and burn their money they are free to do so. No hand-holding, no welfare state. The fittest shall inherit the Earth.



It's hardly a free market. It is supposed to be but Gox problems create some serious issues that essentially act like chains bounding us all. The lag multiples any fear on the market 100 fold. It flew up to over 1 hour yesterday for a reason. People were scared, couldn't sell at a certain price, price point wasn't hit, set it lower, and then lower, and then lower, trading completely blind. That is idiotic market, not free market. Hopefully Gox will have this fixed now.


 

The market is totally free. Do you understand the use of an exchange (including Mt. Gox) is optional?

Gox has 80% of the trading at least on the exchanges. Gox essentially runs bitcoin at the moment. The world associates bitcoin and mtgox as nearly the same thing, all the media currently points to Mt.Gox when discussing Bitcoin. At this exact moment, bitcoin is a more free market then usual since the exchanges are all operating blindly without Gox leading as it always does. When you are off not using the exchanges (because it is optional) try to remember that your BTC gains or loses value almost entirely based on Mt.Gox with all of its bugs, lag, panicing baffoons and 100K of fearful newbs that just rushed into the market. That might change, but it hasn't yet. Gox currently chains the 'freedom.'


I think you're mixing up value and price. These are two different things. Price is only relevant with respect to short term liquidity. My Bitcoins don't gain or lose value based on what an exchange does or doesn't do. The price on an exchange (a relatively long-term average) is a nice proxy to measure the actual value. That is all it is.

Oh, and who cares about the media? I like reading all the retarded posts and chuckling. Patience young grasshopper Smiley

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April 11, 2013, 08:08:33 PM
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Check the lag pattern on MtGox,  I had this polling every 10 seconds.

High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201731  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 10 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201731  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 9 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201727  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 9 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201725  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 8 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201669  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 7 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201596  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 7 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201366  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 5 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201358  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 4 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201352  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 4 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201350  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 3 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201348  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 2 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201338  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 2 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201333  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 1 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201256  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 1 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201238  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 0 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201237  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 0 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201237  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 10 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 201233  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 8 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200933  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 8 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200930  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 8 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200920  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 7 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200915  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 7 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200808  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 5 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200808  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 4 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200805  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 4 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200802  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 3 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200799  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 3 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200758  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 3 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200755  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 2 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200737  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 2 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200702  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 1 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200662  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 1 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200356  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 1 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 200348  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 0 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 199866  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 0 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 199637  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 0 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 199634  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 0 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 199634  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 0 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 199615  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 10 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 199574  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 9 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 199522  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 8 secs
High: 203.000  Low: 110.200  Volume: 199376  Buy: 118.950  Sell: 124.900  Last: 124.900  Change: 0.00  Lag: 7 secs

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April 11, 2013, 08:09:58 PM
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So maybe that's what Vladimir was speaking about. Can't decide whether it'll be good or bad news for bitcoin though.
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April 11, 2013, 08:13:52 PM
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It turns out Mt. Gox. shutting down was a bad idea in retrospect, when they shutdown the downwards lag-crash was about to recover and go up and lag was coming down. Now it's just a crazy free-for-all


What's bad about it? This is a free market. If people want to go crazy, panic and burn their money they are free to do so. No hand-holding, no welfare state. The fittest shall inherit the Earth.



It's hardly a free market. It is supposed to be but Gox problems create some serious issues that essentially act like chains bounding us all. The lag multiples any fear on the market 100 fold. It flew up to over 1 hour yesterday for a reason. People were scared, couldn't sell at a certain price, price point wasn't hit, set it lower, and then lower, and then lower, trading completely blind. That is idiotic market, not free market. Hopefully Gox will have this fixed now.


 

The market is totally free. Do you understand the use of an exchange (including Mt. Gox) is optional?

Gox has 80% of the trading at least on the exchanges. Gox essentially runs bitcoin at the moment. The world associates bitcoin and mtgox as nearly the same thing, all the media currently points to Mt.Gox when discussing Bitcoin. At this exact moment, bitcoin is a more free market then usual since the exchanges are all operating blindly without Gox leading as it always does. When you are off not using the exchanges (because it is optional) try to remember that your BTC gains or loses value almost entirely based on Mt.Gox with all of its bugs, lag, panicing baffoons and 100K of fearful newbs that just rushed into the market. That might change, but it hasn't yet. Gox currently chains the 'freedom.'


I think you're mixing up value and price. These are two different things. Price is only relevant with respect to short term liquidity. My Bitcoins don't gain or lose value based on what an exchange does or doesn't do. The price on an exchange (a relatively long-term average) is a nice proxy to measure the actual value. That is all it is.

Oh, and who cares about the media? I like reading all the retarded posts and chuckling. Patience young grasshopper Smiley

Once this market gets a bit more distributed I'll be happier calling it a full on free market. While true there are no rules, the problems (that can be fixed) get in the way. Unfortunately the media are what inform the world, and at the moment just funnel money straight into Gox's pockets further compounding the issue I have. Time will change all this though so yes, haha patience is good.  Grin

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April 11, 2013, 08:17:12 PM
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I think this is awesome, the guys that essentially created facebook and got screwed over are on board, haha. Its good they are going public to try and calm the waters a bit after this shake up.
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April 11, 2013, 08:18:59 PM
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So maybe that's what Vladimir was speaking about. Can't decide whether it'll be good or bad news for bitcoin though.

I'll never understand multi-millionaires who just keep working to amass more $.
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April 11, 2013, 08:20:08 PM
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So maybe that's what Vladimir was speaking about. Can't decide whether it'll be good or bad news for bitcoin though.

This is fantastic news! Bitcoin, as endorsed by the Winkelvoss twins... Very bullish.

I know this because Tyler knows this.
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April 11, 2013, 08:27:16 PM
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http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/as-big-investors-emerge-bitcoin-gets-ready-for-its-close-up/

Thought i would bring a little positivity back, maybe. Cheesy
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April 11, 2013, 08:30:18 PM
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So maybe that's what Vladimir was speaking about. Can't decide whether it'll be good or bad news for bitcoin though.

This is fantastic news! Bitcoin, as endorsed by the Winkelvoss twins... Very bullish.

Good to see something like that in media in times like these.
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So maybe that's what Vladimir was speaking about. Can't decide whether it'll be good or bad news for bitcoin though.

I'll never understand multi-millionaires who just keep working to amass more $.

That is my goal through both a good career and bitcoin savings from $2. I watched people around me living off of debt so they can live beyond their means. I've lived within my means in a humble apartment growing my savings in a huge way. My personal financial goal has been to watch money grow rather than just keep spending it when I get it. I never want to lose that money, grow, grow, grow, never down, always up. And then have a endless amounts I can give to charities or causes I care about.
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April 11, 2013, 08:31:25 PM
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I'll never understand multi-millionaires who just keep working to amass more $.


Few people get to become multi-millionaires by luck, they do it by hard work and they generally wish to continue in the businesses they like and making more money is often a side-effect.

For others it's also about keeping score (money being one method of scoring) and being competitive, there's always someone that has a bigger house/boat/plane etc....
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April 11, 2013, 08:33:24 PM
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damn just noticed there will be no fees for 48 hrs on MtGox, it's bound to lag up again.
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April 11, 2013, 08:45:14 PM
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damn just noticed there will be no fees for 48 hrs on MtGox, it's bound to lag up again.

current MtGox lag: 36123s

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April 11, 2013, 08:48:19 PM
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damn just noticed there will be no fees for 48 hrs on MtGox, it's bound to lag up again.


Yeah am I the only one who thinks this is InsanityWolf.jpg?
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April 11, 2013, 08:50:21 PM
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damn just noticed there will be no fees for 48 hrs on MtGox, it's bound to lag up again.

current MtGox lag: 36123s
Oh good, so it is business as usual over that Mt.Gox?   Tongue Grin
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April 11, 2013, 09:10:09 PM
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WTB: if you in Berlin, i buy 5k coins 10€/btc.   for cash!!!

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April 11, 2013, 09:27:31 PM
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Few people get to become multi-millionaires by luck, they do it by hard work and they generally wish to continue in the businesses they like and making more money is often a side-effect.

WTF   How darest thou be realistic.  Cheesy
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April 11, 2013, 09:34:28 PM
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So maybe that's what Vladimir was speaking about. Can't decide whether it'll be good or bad news for bitcoin though.

I'll never understand multi-millionaires who just keep working to amass more $.

That is my goal through both a good career and bitcoin savings from $2. I watched people around me living off of debt so they can live beyond their means. I've lived within my means in a humble apartment growing my savings in a huge way. My personal financial goal has been to watch money grow rather than just keep spending it when I get it. I never want to lose that money, grow, grow, grow, never down, always up. And then have a endless amounts I can give to charities or causes I care about.

Hey man, I want you to know you are not the only one around that thinks that way. Actually I didnt think anyone else would think like this. But you spoke very well for me. Keep it up, the world need smore people like you  Smiley

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