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April 13, 2013, 08:42:15 AM
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That chart never gets old. It's the graphical equivalent of Godwin's Law :p


Around here your not wrong actually, I did think this but I just thought it was getting pretty close to looking like its far right brethren for some folks than ever.
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April 13, 2013, 08:43:34 AM
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We already got mass " media attention" when we hit the very highs above 200. Expect not to get such attention until new highs is achieved if ever or when bitcoin sink to very low.
The CLAIM from biased Mtgox of massive signups doesn't mean more money pouring as a majority new investors are freaked out from that crash, that it can also go down heavily.As always some will see it as an opportunity at entering at a good price.   But NOW the optimism of guaranteed get-rich-quick has faded bears are more solid,early adopters, heads back on their shoulder, more keen on cashing out part of their stash at a reasonable price than dreaming of immense fortune at $1000 coin.
Institutional investors don't appreciate such volatility and hedge funds can't enter as its still not much liquid market enough.

I would say it will be stable for the few more days and the price direction afterwards will be a decisive trend setter ahead..

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April 13, 2013, 08:46:09 AM
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That chart never gets old. It's the graphical equivalent of Godwin's Law :p

Honest question about the chart, since I see it so much.

Is it supposed to actually follow that line? Or does it just list the different phases of a bubble and show a big increase and decrease?


Because in terms of scale I don't think anyone can claim it makes sense to bitcoin, unless this is the first sell off.

It just dropped from $260 to $60, much more dramatic than the bull trap on the chart. Also if 2011 was the first sell off, it's way too close to the 2013 peak, and it definitely didn't bring in the institutional investors..
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April 13, 2013, 08:47:04 AM
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while it's absolutely true that's a common failing of stocks and tech in general, the whole "new paradigm" thing - bitcoin's tech and such really is unlike anything else out there, that's not a fallacy of the mind of investors.

Yes, I belive that, too. I am invested in BC since 2011 because I believe in it. It just happend to grow too fast too much. This up and down is not good. Especially not if you are awaiting institutional investors. What you might get is highly professional speculators and they know their business pretty well.
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April 13, 2013, 09:00:02 AM
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That chart never gets old. It's the graphical equivalent of Godwin's Law :p

Honest question about the chart, since I see it so much.

Is it supposed to actually follow that line? Or does it just list the different phases of a bubble and show a big increase and decrease?

Because in terms of scale I don't think anyone can claim it makes sense to bitcoin, unless this is the first sell off.

It just dropped from $260 to $60, much more dramatic than the bull trap on the chart. Also if 2011 was the first sell off, it's way too close to the 2013 peak, and it definitely didn't bring in the institutional investors..


No, no, it's a general pattern. One which matches most bubbles to be honest.

But price charts are fractal, complex things. Zoom in, zoom out, squeeze the curve to fit and you could make it match almost any chart historically.

It's worth knowing about THAT chart in ANY field where mass psychology is involved  - that would be most things really I suppose.

So yeah there are 2 phases on that chart we could be at right now just don't ask me which.

It's what's beyond that chart and the little bumps and humps that can't be seen at that scale which interest me right now Smiley

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April 13, 2013, 09:00:43 AM
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Proudhon I have a few questions for you:

Do you think BTC is enough of a threat to the mainstream fractional usury currencies that the centralbanks would bankroll (pay) people to go on BTC forums and give consistently negative opinions about everything to do with BTC?

Do you believe the 266 to 55 crash was orchestrated by a handful of operators trying to crash BTC completely?

For the record, do you yourself own any BTC? Tens, hundreds or thousands?
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April 13, 2013, 09:06:46 AM
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looks like lots of coins have changed hands in the last phase of the dip...

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April 13, 2013, 09:09:17 AM
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Proudhon I have a few questions for you:

Do you think BTC is enough of a threat to the mainstream fractional usury currencies that the centralbanks would bankroll (pay) people to go on BTC forums and give consistently negative opinions about everything to do with BTC?

Do you believe the 266 to 55 crash was orchestrated by a handful of operators trying to crash BTC completely?

For the record, do you yourself own any BTC? Tens, hundreds or thousands?

No, it was a shakedown which got out of hand due to the serious lag issues at MtGox.
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April 13, 2013, 09:17:52 AM
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No, it was a shakedown which got out of hand due to the serious lag issues at MtGox.

I think that was only the trigger. Many people had sleepless nights waiting with their fingers on the sell button. Maybe the lags made the first sell and then the others paniced, but it could've been anything else. It was just about time.
I personally was expecting this so much, that a day before I opened accounts on several other exchanges, and sending BTC there, just to be sure that I will be able to sell.
Thats why I am suffering from that bitcoin24 closure now, too.
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April 13, 2013, 09:23:25 AM
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Having been a long time reader of this read/forum, probably too long/too much time spent and lurking on here for a while. Just wanted to say that many of you provide some brilliantly comedic moments as well as some insightful comments.

For what it is worth I am Long/Bullish. But aware of the potential for shit to hit the fan, having seen it grow from nearly the start.

Also, I just wanted to bring this back into peoples heads since we are looking at charts, or supposed to be, but this is looking awefully similar to the 30d charts of BTC

http://marketpredict.com/articles/images/bubble-lifecycle.gif



In this market cycle, Where are we now with bitcoins , ....according to you

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April 13, 2013, 09:28:07 AM
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No, it was a shakedown which got out of hand due to the serious lag issues at MtGox.

I think that was only the trigger. Many people had sleepless nights waiting with their fingers on the sell button. Maybe the lags made the first sell and then the others paniced, but it could've been anything else. It was just about time.
I personally was expecting this so much, that a day before I opened accounts on several other exchanges, and sending BTC there, just to be sure that I will be able to sell.
Thats why I am suffering from that bitcoin24 closure now, too.


I agree, but I can't help but feel it wouldn't of gone as low without the lag.

People were putting in market sells into over an hour of lag. If you wanted to sell you kind of had to, because calling what the price would be in an hour was pretty risky. Anyone that predicted too high of a price would be stuck with their coins.

There also wasn't much of a chance to buy and slow down the crash for the same reason. No one wanted to risk buying too high. My bid at $106 took 75 minutes to open, so crazy.
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April 13, 2013, 09:49:45 AM
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I agree, but I can't help but feel it wouldn't of gone as low without the lag.

People were putting in market sells into over an hour of lag. If you wanted to sell you kind of had to, because calling what the price would be in an hour was pretty risky. Anyone that predicted too high of a price would be stuck with their coins.

There also wasn't much of a chance to buy and slow down the crash for the same reason. No one wanted to risk buying too high. My bid at $106 took 75 minutes to open, so crazy.


Selling with such a lag would be crazy. I just held mine once the craziness started.

I thought it had 1 or 2 more days in it before a correction. I figured everyone would get jittery towards $300 and planned to sell at around 275-280.

I suspect someone else thought the same and dumped the lot before it got to my target.

I still have my BTC, if I had sold I would have probably bought back way before the bottom.

Hopefully this lag nonsense will now cease to be an issue so we can make live buys during moments of panic without missing them by attempting to guess the correct price. I'm not playing that game any more.
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April 13, 2013, 10:03:26 AM
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Pop, again.

So, how about a bet? I bet you 1k BTC we will see 200$ before single digits.

Oh, wait, you obviously are out of Bitcoin.
Oh, wait, you obviously are trolling anyway.

Ente

So, Proudhon, not even replying to this?
Haha loser!
I'm not surprised though.

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April 13, 2013, 10:06:18 AM
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Pop, again.

So, how about a bet? I bet you 1k BTC we will see 200$ before single digits.

Oh, wait, you obviously are out of Bitcoin.
Oh, wait, you obviously are trolling anyway.

Ente

I bet you a million dollars you don't have 1000 BTC.



..did I say I have 1000 BTC?
All right. how do you wish to proceed your 1M$ bet?
I prefer escrow in this case ;-)

Ente

How about you then, ElectricMucus?
Anything to say, or shall I just prove I have 1k BTC and earn you a scammer tag for not paying me 1M$?
..in the case you don't have those 1M bucks, lol

Ente
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April 13, 2013, 10:06:41 AM
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Mtgox has permits in Japan to run this fucking lagshow.

Can someone tell me if they are allowed to have their exchange open during this DDOS, according to the permits?

 
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April 13, 2013, 10:09:53 AM
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Mtgox has permits in Japan to run this fucking lagshow.

Can someone tell me if they are allowed to have their exchange open during this DDOS, according to the permits?

 

Wow. MtGox has permits? Smiley
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April 13, 2013, 10:23:09 AM
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looks like lots of coins have changed hands in the last phase of the dip...


Indeed. Yesterday saw the 24h all time high for bitcoin volume on MtGox with 550k BTC, beating the previous one at 400k BTC during the bottom at 2$.
 

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April 13, 2013, 11:04:23 AM
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I've been out in the real world since yesterday. Whats up? I can't log into gox, is that for everyone?

more or less retired.
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April 13, 2013, 11:06:34 AM
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I've been out in the real world since yesterday. Whats up? I can't log into gox, is that for everyone?

Works fine for me
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April 13, 2013, 11:09:54 AM
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Still holding above $100.

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