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Author Topic: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker  (Read 1811501 times)
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April 13, 2013, 06:58:07 PM
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How can people say that the lag is caused by selloffs now. There was NO selloff going on, BTC had been at almost exactly $110 for nearly 12 hours. Yet people are running around trolling about Gox trying to manipulate the price upward with lag.

I was watching live, there was a decent sell off, and it broke the price triangle downwards, and that was the start of the lag.

I was watching too. The triangle formed around $110, there was a "break" upwards, turned out to only bring it to $120 then down to $115, where it stayed for a while, then there was a "break" downwards, turned out to only bring it down to $110 again, stayed there for a bit lag kicked in and now we are screwed.

This, the triangle broke upwards many hours ago. 

In terms of lag, Coined, you experienced it first hand, I didn't. Whatever is happening right now is unacceptable. There is very little activity.



I don't get it.

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April 13, 2013, 06:58:26 PM
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This is what I'm saying: I'm looking at ALL trades on multiple charts, I don't see a ton of 0.01 or 0.02 trades, just normal, low-volume trade going on.

The attackers choose a high and a low point:

Put in spread bids at desired low-price, begin sell-off and commence DDoS at the same time.

This is the only thing that makes sense unless you have a tin-foil hat.

Would be interesting to look at the pattern of Bid wall development right before this happens.

I should screen record the next one.

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April 13, 2013, 06:59:51 PM
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Btccharts wall pic please

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April 13, 2013, 07:00:14 PM
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Lag appeared to be dropping rapidly a couple minutes ago. Fell from 30+ and settled around 28 and is hovering.
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April 13, 2013, 07:00:43 PM
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This is what I'm saying: I'm looking at ALL trades on multiple charts, I don't see a ton of 0.01 or 0.02 trades, just normal, low-volume trade going on.

The attackers choose a high and a low point:

Put in spread bids at desired low-price, begin sell-off and commence DDoS at the same time.

This is the only thing that makes sense unless you have a tin-foil hat.

Would be interesting to look at the pattern of Bid wall development right before this happens.

I should screen record the next one.

mtgox.com is still up and responding well tho?
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April 13, 2013, 07:01:54 PM
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This is what I'm saying: I'm looking at ALL trades on multiple charts, I don't see a ton of 0.01 or 0.02 trades, just normal, low-volume trade going on.

The attackers choose a high and a low point:

Put in spread bids at desired low-price, begin sell-off and commence DDoS at the same time.

This is the only thing that makes sense unless you have a tin-foil hat.

Would be interesting to look at the pattern of Bid wall development right before this happens.

I should screen record the next one.

mtgox.com is still up and responding well tho?

Yes indeed the front-end and trade servers MUST BE different for sure.

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April 13, 2013, 07:02:01 PM
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Btccharts wall pic please


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April 13, 2013, 07:02:37 PM
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Lag appeared to be dropping rapidly a couple minutes ago. Fell form 30+ and settled around 28 and is hovering.

Is it possible the lag is caused by too many people updating/entering orders simultaneously?

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April 13, 2013, 07:04:25 PM
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This is what I'm saying: I'm looking at ALL trades on multiple charts, I don't see a ton of 0.01 or 0.02 trades, just normal, low-volume trade going on.

The attackers choose a high and a low point:

Put in spread bids at desired low-price, begin sell-off and commence DDoS at the same time.

This is the only thing that makes sense unless you have a tin-foil hat.

Would be interesting to look at the pattern of Bid wall development right before this happens.

I should screen record the next one.

0.04's at the moment.
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April 13, 2013, 07:05:16 PM
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Yes indeed the front-end and trade servers MUST BE different for sure.

Looks like you don't get my point. How external attackers can access servers inside gox infrastructure? This is pretty unbelievable.
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April 13, 2013, 07:07:00 PM
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Lag appeared to be dropping rapidly a couple minutes ago. Fell form 30+ and settled around 28 and is hovering.

Is it possible the lag is caused by too many people updating their orders simultaneously?

It would need to be a hell of a spike in order changing.

I don't know what percentage of orders are short-lived, in that they are either market orders or Bid or Asks who almost immediately get filled.

I suspect most orders are short-lived - just a hunch.

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April 13, 2013, 07:10:21 PM
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I know an answer. Gox just wish to register new Guinness book record -- slowest market crash in a history.
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April 13, 2013, 07:13:03 PM
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Yes indeed the front-end and trade servers MUST BE different for sure.

Looks like you don't get my point. How external attackers can access servers inside gox infrastructure? This is pretty unbelievable.

Step 1: Wait for spread.
Step 2: Make 3 accounts.
Step 3: Deposit 0.5 bitcoin into each.
Step 4: Sell 0.5 bitcoin from one of them.
Step 5: Make a bot that buys your own 0.5 bitcoin back over and over and over for 0% fee until spread closes.

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April 13, 2013, 07:13:18 PM
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Lag appeared to be dropping rapidly a couple minutes ago. Fell form 30+ and settled around 28 and is hovering.

Is it possible the lag is caused by too many people updating their orders simultaneously?

It would need to be a hell of a spike in order changing.

I don't know what percentage of orders are short-lived, in that they are either market orders or Bid or Asks who almost immediately get filled.

I suspect most orders are short-lived - just a hunch.

Down to 25.50... and we get another big seller.
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April 13, 2013, 07:15:48 PM
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I see the 0.04s surely they alone are not enough to cause this. Maybe they ARE a means of synchronising the attack somehow?

With free trades you could do this all day, only paying for the DDoS botnet time.

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April 13, 2013, 07:18:32 PM
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Yes indeed the front-end and trade servers MUST BE different for sure.

Looks like you don't get my point. How external attackers can access servers inside gox infrastructure? This is pretty unbelievable.

Step 1: Wait for spread.
Step 2: Make 3 accounts.
Step 3: Deposit 0.5 bitcoin into each.
Step 4: Sell 0.5 bitcoin from one of them.
Step 5: Make a bot that buys your own 0.5 bitcoin back over and over and over for 0% fee until spread closes.

Yep, that works.

I would imagine more accounts than 3 though.

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April 13, 2013, 07:19:50 PM
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Mt.Gox is killing Bitcoin.

Lag --> Fear --> Selling --> More lag --> Panic --> Dumping --> Even more lag.

I have not touched Mt.Gox in a couple of years, but the prices on all other exchanges are suffering because of their failure.

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April 13, 2013, 07:20:33 PM
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Maybe there is another way... Changing a property about the order or something which doesn't cost the manipulator but is costly computationally and repeating it dozens or hundreds of times a second. Without being on the gox servers, no real way to tell.

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1500 btc wall on 100 half an hour ago. I guess that's broken long time ago.

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