ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[minerpumpkin]

Well, no divs today... Doesn't matter, IMO...
In fact, I'd prefer AM to switch to monthly or at least bi-weekly payouts. If gen 3 is focussed on pure chip sales, this would adhere better to the production/sale-cycle.

[aahzmundus]

Well, no divs today... Doesn't matter, IMO...
In fact, I'd prefer AM to switch to monthly or at least bi-weekly payouts. If gen 3 is focussed on pure chip sales, this would adhere better to the production/sale-cycle.

I also would not mind monthly payments... but I would prefer some sort of official update if this is what is going on.  To just not pay a dividend, and not say anything about it -_-

[smilence]

A bit of miner pron before gen3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZavKweMrP4

immersion cooling is useless..

[jimmothy]

A bit of miner pron before gen3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZavKweMrP4

immersion cooling is useless..

Clearly not according to that video.

[dhenson]

immersion cooling is useless..

Care to elaborate or are you just blurting things out of your ass?

[smilence]

immersion cooling is useless..

Care to elaborate or are you just blurting things out of your ass?

Just 1P ,  also allied control doesn't belong to Firedcat..

http://www.allied-control.com/about-us/allied-control

[smilence]

A bit of miner pron before gen3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZavKweMrP4

immersion cooling is useless..

Care to elaborate?
I assume that implies either ineffective, or unnecessary.  Since it appears to effectively solve a real problem, where do you see it as useless?  Perhaps for your pair of USB sticks...  At some point, the cost/scale lines will meet and make it viable, or 'not useless'.

The only problem is TIME, nothing else, the Gen 3 chips just taped out ..

[dhenson]

only problem is TIME, nothing else, the Gen 3 chips just taped out ..

Source?

[smilence]

only problem is TIME, nothing else, the Gen 3 chips just taped out ..

Source?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5867787#msg5867787


Not fast enough...

[dhenson]

immersion cooling is useless..

Care to elaborate or are you just blurting things out of your ass?

Just 1P ,  also allied control doesn't belong to Firedcat..

http://www.allied-control.com/about-us/allied-control

It was my understanding that those immersion cooling tanks WAS Asicminer.  We've seen photo's of a shareholder touring the Hong Kong high rise and taking pictures of himself between the racks.

That is a currently hashing Gen 1 bitcoin mining operation by Asicminer.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5867787#msg5867787
Not fast enough...

In order for the first wafers to have been delivered already, tapeout happened 6+ weeks ago.

[jimmothy]

only problem is TIME, nothing else, the Gen 3 chips just taped out ..

Source?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5867787#msg5867787


Not fast enough...

Nowhere does it say in that post that they just taped out. In fact it says packaged chips will be ready by tomorrow.

And how exactly is 10 times space density + saving $65,000/month in electricity useless?

It was my understanding that those immersion cooling tanks WAS Asicminer.

Video from allied control clearly says customer: asicminer

[smilence]

immersion cooling is useless..

Care to elaborate or are you just blurting things out of your ass?

Just 1P ,  also allied control doesn't belong to Firedcat..

http://www.allied-control.com/about-us/allied-control

It was my understanding that those immersion cooling tanks WAS Asicminer.  We've seen photo's of a shareholder touring the Hong Kong high rise and taking pictures of himself between the racks.

That is a currently hashing Gen 1 bitcoin mining operation by Asicminer.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5867787#msg5867787
Not fast enough...

In order for the first wafers to have been delivered already, tapeout happened 6+ weeks ago.

immersion cooling data centre was Asicminer, but this company "allied-control" is not owned by Friedcat,

also the total hash power of that data centre  is just ~1P


and other companies are mining btc by using 28nm chips ,   Friedcat is still testing their chips.

[smilence]

only problem is TIME, nothing else, the Gen 3 chips just taped out ..

Source?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg5867787#msg5867787


Not fast enough...

Nowhere does it say in that post that they just taped out. In fact it says packaged chips will be ready by tomorrow.

And how exactly is 10 times space density + saving $65,000/month in electricity useless?

It was my understanding that those immersion cooling tanks WAS Asicminer.

Video from allied control clearly says customer: asicminer

What I am trying to say is that TIME is more important than electricity cost

Also the immersion cooling data centre cost too much

[jimmothy]

immersion cooling data centre was Asicminer, but this company "allied-control" is not owned by Friedcat,

also the total hash power of that data centre  is just ~1P


and other companies are mining btc by using 28nm chips ,   Friedcat is still testing their chips.

Nobody claimed allied control was owned by FC only the datacenter.

AM 40nm chips will be cheaper and more efficient than those 28nm chips.

I would go with 1PH in the size of a shipping container using only 500KW over a massive datacenter using 1500KW any day.

What I am trying to say is that TIME is more important than electricity cost

Also the immersion cooling data centre cost too much

Not true. Immersion cooled datacenter cost $100,000 and saves $65,000 per month.

Time is only important if you are using hardware that is going to be replaced.

At 0.2w/gh AM hardware will be doing the replacing.

[KS]

They're both important.

Time to market because of the crazy high diff change (more profit per GH/s when you deploy sooner rather than later).

Immersion cooling because of the electricity and space savings (which can also be mitigated by moving to places where electricity is cheap and space is not an issue but AM's datacenter space is limited and its electricity costs are not the lowest).

[smilence]

They're both important.

Time to market because of the crazy high diff change (more profit per GH/s when you deploy sooner rather than later).

Immersion cooling because of the electricity and space savings (which can also be mitigated by moving to places where electricity is cheap and space is not an issue but AM's datacenter space is limited and its electricity costs are not the lowest).

My Chinese friend rent some hydropower station for mining , better than expensive immersion cooling

[jimmothy]

They're both important.

Time to market because of the crazy high diff change (more profit per GH/s when you deploy sooner rather than later).

Immersion cooling because of the electricity and space savings (which can also be mitigated by moving to places where electricity is cheap and space is not an issue but AM's datacenter space is limited and its electricity costs are not the lowest).

My Chinese friend rent some hydropower station for mining , better than expensive immersion cooling

Why not both?

[smilence]

They're both important.

Time to market because of the crazy high diff change (more profit per GH/s when you deploy sooner rather than later).

Immersion cooling because of the electricity and space savings (which can also be mitigated by moving to places where electricity is cheap and space is not an issue but AM's datacenter space is limited and its electricity costs are not the lowest).

My Chinese friend rent some hydropower station for mining , better than expensive immersion cooling

Why not both?

Not sure what kind of "3M™ NOVEC™ ENGINEERED FLUIDS" they use  , but check this link , http://www.copsplus.com/prodnum5327.php

Is it cheap ?

[antirack]

They're both important.

Time to market because of the crazy high diff change (more profit per GH/s when you deploy sooner rather than later).

Immersion cooling because of the electricity and space savings (which can also be mitigated by moving to places where electricity is cheap and space is not an issue but AM's datacenter space is limited and its electricity costs are not the lowest).

My Chinese friend rent some hydropower station for mining , better than expensive immersion cooling

Immersion cooling is cheaper, that's the point of it.

A little bit of fluid in a bathtub with bare mining boards costs less than cases, heatsinks, fans, shelves, cables, screws, nuts, bolts, thermal grease, house, all that and people to put it all together.  You only need 200cc to cool 4kW.

If you have 1MW power and spend X kW on cooling that's X kW more mining gear you can deploy if you use immersion. No matter if you use hydro or burn coal for your power it's unrelated. Power is valuable.

And it saves possibly hundreds of board developers time to develop/test/source/buy/produce/ship all that. Miners are reduced to chips on boards, that's it.

Boards can be made smaller and have more chips on them because now there are no thermal issues.

All that in a shipping container instead of a complete building. If the IRS comes after you, you take your container and move ;-)

When new chips (28nm) come along, you throw away the old ones and stick the new ones in.

The boards make more Bitcoins because they run faster (performance increase).

The boards make more Bitcoins because they some online weeks earlier (board developers can focus on board and chips and get them out ASAP instead of doing all the thermal and other design and start looking for parts).

Unless you like Ikea shelves of course and/or you just deploy a few TH.

http://www.immersion-cooling.com/publications/Analysis_of_Large-Scale_Bitcoin_Mining_Operations.pdf

Example 2.4PH 1.2MW Mining Container (ASICMiner Gen3):

●   6 tanks per container, 200kW-240kW each
●   400 boards each tank, 500W per board, 2,400 boards total
●   Equivalent to 600 4U boxes
●   Shipping container footprint instead of 60 racks in high density facility
●   2-3PH/s at estimated hashrate (based on reports from China )
●   No thermal throttling, possible performance increase
●   Fixed and predictable cost, no matter if fully or only partially populated

[necro_nemesis]

Immersion cooled datacenter cost $100,000 and saves $65,000 per month.

I don't understand why Rockxie stated immersion cooling is too expensive in his Q/A. Start up costs versus operating costs maybe? Q. 6.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=528464.msg5872404#msg5872404