ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[Rival]

Although AM does not take preorders, in the business world often the inverse is true. In other words, there is a strong possibility that AM sold chips without immediate payment, net due in 30, 60, or 90 days. This is quite common. It is possible that AM has a very large number in their accounts receivable ledger and is awaiting payment from vendors before distribution to shareholders.

Sometimes Occam's razor will give you a better shave.

[lophie]

You should also know that the only thing that binds the shareholders and FC is trust. This is a totally unregulated venture (and possibly illegal in some countries) so don't treat it as if you had bought US Treasury Bonds on the NYSE.

Actually I think I trust Friedcat better than these guys. He got a better track record.

[flamingleg]

EDIT: I'm loving the BRK comparison and think that would be a perfect model for FC and AM. Just give us a no-frills website, an annual letter to shareholders, and quarterly reports, and watch as the goodwill and power come rolling in.

This is an excellent idea. Regular financial reports pushed onto some basic website would do wonders for decluttering this thread, and would also help provide some stability and fairer price discovery. Friedcat would be free to update more often without worrying about shifting the price one way or another, and it would go a long way towards legitimizing this firm in the eyes of traditional investors.

[necro_nemesis]

Regardless of people saying be patient for returns, transparency issues will continue to cause share prices to suffer. People are simply far less willing to speculate on the future when the future lacks clarity resulting from a profound absense of information which can be readily addressed.

[101111]

Another member of the AM ecosystem: http://www.bitell.com/t/2168

A New Bitcoin ASIC Manufacturer XBTec Announced 2TH/s Miner Pacific 2000 Using AM Chips

more here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=626694.msg6967946#msg6967946

[arousedrhino]

EDIT: I'm loving the BRK comparison and think that would be a perfect model for FC and AM. Just give us a no-frills website, an annual letter to shareholders, and quarterly reports, and watch as the goodwill and power come rolling in.

This is an excellent idea. Regular financial reports pushed onto some basic website would do wonders for decluttering this thread, and would also help provide some stability and fairer price discovery. Friedcat would be free to update more often without worrying about shifting the price one way or another, and it would go a long way towards legitimizing this firm in the eyes of traditional investors.

I really don't think FC cares about how the share price moves when he makes posts and releases the financial reports.

I do like the idea of a website he could update but it would probably work out better if a boardmember / people in this thread worked together to make the website and then we requested that FC post his updates there and in btctalk so that its easily visible. We could even add an rss feed to the website so you would get updates.

[arousedrhino]

Another member of the AM ecosystem: http://www.bitell.com/t/2168

A New Bitcoin ASIC Manufacturer XBTec Announced 2TH/s Miner Pacific 2000 Using AM Chips

more here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=626694.msg6967946#msg6967946

Thank you for sharing this valuable information.

[willBTC]

As I know, bitell.com will make an interview with Friedcat, do you guys have the questions ? we'd better gather the questions, and I wil forward the questions to bitell.com. 

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

As I know, bitell.com will make an interview with Friedcat, do you guys have the questions ? we'd better gather the questions, and I wil forward the questions to bitell.com. 

Yes we have.

where are dividends?
where is financial report?
where are money from chips sales?
where is mining income?
why you have not responded marto about chips?
why immersion cooling facility is not working?

why you are ignoring investors?

[Chris_Sabian]

As I know, bitell.com will make an interview with Friedcat, do you guys have the questions ? we'd better gather the questions, and I wil forward the questions to bitell.com. 

Yes we have.

where are dividends?
where is financial report?
where are money from chips sales?
where is mining income?
why you have not responded marto about chips?
why immersion cooling facility is not working?

why you are ignoring investors?

Also, what is the timeline for generation 4?

[friedcat]

Update

Financials
Balance sheet in May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12wJMe3A6Ie8ris86m2OJ_1vucurdcVtM3fDkNCjKIRI/edit?usp=sharing

Cash flow from Feb 28, 2014 to May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1phCAhMR-9_AaRXKICfN_M7gw4rI1hsOtRD_6PElmLOM/edit?usp=sharing

Comments about Recent News & Concerns
Policy: The bank deposits and third-party payment systems for Bitcoin exchanges in China are all closed. Workarounds exist (like buying physical cards with deposit code) but the real trading volume is severely affected.

Conversion: We have OTC conversion channels to trade USD for Bitcoins in Hong Kong.

[Blazed]

here we go!

[KarmaShark]

Update

Financials
Balance sheet in May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12wJMe3A6Ie8ris86m2OJ_1vucurdcVtM3fDkNCjKIRI/edit?usp=sharing

Cash flow from Feb 28, 2014 to May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1phCAhMR-9_AaRXKICfN_M7gw4rI1hsOtRD_6PElmLOM/edit?usp=sharing

Comments about Recent News & Concerns
Policy: The bank deposits and third-party payment systems for Bitcoin exchanges in China are all closed. Workarounds exist (like buying physical cards with deposit code) but the real trading volume is severely affected.

Conversion: We have OTC conversion channels to trade USD for Bitcoins in Hong Kong.

CHING CHINGGGGGGGGG!  (I simply could not resist).

[chriswilmer]

Update

Financials
Balance sheet in May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12wJMe3A6Ie8ris86m2OJ_1vucurdcVtM3fDkNCjKIRI/edit?usp=sharing

Cash flow from Feb 28, 2014 to May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1phCAhMR-9_AaRXKICfN_M7gw4rI1hsOtRD_6PElmLOM/edit?usp=sharing

Comments about Recent News & Concerns
Policy: The bank deposits and third-party payment systems for Bitcoin exchanges in China are all closed. Workarounds exist (like buying physical cards with deposit code) but the real trading volume is severely affected.

Conversion: We have OTC conversion channels to trade USD for Bitcoins in Hong Kong.

I guess you would have mentioned it if you knew... but, any estimate on when the next dividend payments would be?

[bitfair]

Update

Financials
Balance sheet in May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12wJMe3A6Ie8ris86m2OJ_1vucurdcVtM3fDkNCjKIRI/edit?usp=sharing

Cash flow from Feb 28, 2014 to May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1phCAhMR-9_AaRXKICfN_M7gw4rI1hsOtRD_6PElmLOM/edit?usp=sharing

Comments about Recent News & Concerns
Policy: The bank deposits and third-party payment systems for Bitcoin exchanges in China are all closed. Workarounds exist (like buying physical cards with deposit code) but the real trading volume is severely affected.

Conversion: We have OTC conversion channels to trade USD for Bitcoins in Hong Kong.

I guess you would have mentioned it if you knew... but, any estimate on when the next dividend payments would be?

Looking at the balance sheet, I wouldn't expect dividends any time soon: the company assets are in inventory/materials, not in cash.

However, it means that AM has planned a whop-ass expansion!

[drasted]

Update

Financials
Balance sheet in May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12wJMe3A6Ie8ris86m2OJ_1vucurdcVtM3fDkNCjKIRI/edit?usp=sharing

Cash flow from Feb 28, 2014 to May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1phCAhMR-9_AaRXKICfN_M7gw4rI1hsOtRD_6PElmLOM/edit?usp=sharing

Comments about Recent News & Concerns
Policy: The bank deposits and third-party payment systems for Bitcoin exchanges in China are all closed. Workarounds exist (like buying physical cards with deposit code) but the real trading volume is severely affected.

Conversion: We have OTC conversion channels to trade USD for Bitcoins in Hong Kong.

I guess you would have mentioned it if you knew... but, any estimate on when the next dividend payments would be?

unless i'm misunderstanding, probably not until we become cashflow positive.

Net Income         ฿-3,238.42   $90,526.90   ￥-2,157,635.91
Net Income per Share   ฿-0.0081   $0.23      ￥-5.39

[robix]

Anyone knows what the Exchange position in cashflow sheet is?

Edit:

OK, I just noticed the 4K BTC Exchange in Expenses seems to be the 2M USD in Income.

[arousedrhino]

Update

Financials
Balance sheet in May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12wJMe3A6Ie8ris86m2OJ_1vucurdcVtM3fDkNCjKIRI/edit?usp=sharing

Cash flow from Feb 28, 2014 to May 27, 2014:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1phCAhMR-9_AaRXKICfN_M7gw4rI1hsOtRD_6PElmLOM/edit?usp=sharing

Comments about Recent News & Concerns
Policy: The bank deposits and third-party payment systems for Bitcoin exchanges in China are all closed. Workarounds exist (like buying physical cards with deposit code) but the real trading volume is severely affected.

Conversion: We have OTC conversion channels to trade USD for Bitcoins in Hong Kong.

Thanks FC!

[bitfair]

Anyone knows what the Exchange position in cashflow sheet is?

Looks like they sold BTC in order to pay the fab or cover other expenses: BTC is on the expense "exchange" side, USD is on the income "exchange" side...

[silverfuture]

Sounds like cash conversion to BTC is very difficult at best in that environment.  Asicminer needs to provide incentive for customers to pay in BTC.