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May 23, 2014, 05:56:01 PM
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AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?

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This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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May 23, 2014, 06:11:08 PM
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it's... Spondoolies-Tech.

'Spondoolies' is a slang term for 'real money' which is different from imaginary share dividends which never get realised. *coughs*
to me, Spondoolies is what I take to the pub when I go out with my wife, and I spoil her with all the lovely spondoolies that my best miners in the world have earned me. She is very pleased and she lets me buy more miners from Spondoolies-Tech (yes i'm under the thumb, but we are an old fashioned couple and we are very happy)


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May 23, 2014, 06:13:20 PM
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AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?


Unlike BitFury and AM, we didn't use custom circuit design (with custom PDK) in our 1st and 2nd gen.
It's a time consuming effort, that needed to be redone from the beginning when moving to a more advance process node.

We're doing that with our 3rd gen and we understand the effort. I don't believe AM can produce a competitive 28nm in time.
BitFury on the other hand will probably do.

New Mimblewimble implementation: https://www.beam.mw
Spondoolies is now part of Blockstream: https://blog.blockstream.com/en-blockstream-mining-builds-momentum-with-spondoolies-acquisition/
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May 23, 2014, 06:16:10 PM
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There was a time when this thread wouldn't have tolerated a competitor's speculation, times sure have changed.

GTFO, thanks.
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May 23, 2014, 06:16:27 PM
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Hey guys sorry if this question's been answered recently but is anyone else noticed that it's taking a long time to transfer direct shares from one address to another?  Sent a request more than a week ago and haven't heard anything.

I've been out of the loop for a while so maybe there's an automated way to do this finally?

Lastly, I have a link to a super old google doc that shows the list of current investors but it hasn't been updated in a year.  Is there a new one?

Thanks!
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May 23, 2014, 06:17:47 PM
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AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?


Unlike BitFury and AM, we didn't use custom circuit design (with custom PDK) in our 1st and 2nd gen.
It's a time consuming effort, that needed to be redone from the beginning when moving to a more advance process node.

We're doing that with our 3rd gen and we understand the effort. I don't believe AM can produce a competitive 28nm in time.
BitFury on the other hand will probably do.

Sounding like you're throwing down the gauntlet to FC by posting this in his backyard.
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May 23, 2014, 06:18:32 PM
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Hey guys sorry if this question's been answered recently but is anyone else noticed that it's taking a long time to transfer direct shares from one address to another?  Sent a request more than a week ago and haven't heard anything.

I've been out of the loop for a while so maybe there's an automated way to do this finally?

Lastly, I have a link to a super old google doc that shows the list of current investors but it hasn't been updated in a year.  Is there a new one?

Thanks!

FC generally does the transfers just before paying the dividend.  As there have been no dividends, there has been no need for share transfer. (my assumption)

I believe that this is the most up to date spreadsheet though it is also a few weeks behind.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnxKtjWqWJGodC1fR3JDSFBpZ2tGbjBqdzJoeFlpOXc&usp=sharing
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May 23, 2014, 06:19:57 PM
Last edit: May 23, 2014, 06:41:02 PM by hdbuck
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Lmao spondolulz justifying in here.. Guess someone's nervous.. Grin
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May 23, 2014, 06:20:15 PM
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AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?


Unlike BitFury and AM, we didn't use custom circuit design (with custom PDK) in our 1st and 2nd gen.
It's a time consuming effort, that needed to be redone from the beginning when moving to a more advance process node.

We're doing that with our 3rd gen and we understand the effort. I don't believe AM can produce a competitive 28nm in time.
BitFury on the other hand will probably do.

Sounding like you're throwing down the gauntlet to FC by posting this in his backyard.

I was asked a question and I answered. I'll stop posting here now.

Just googled the following: http://bwrcs.eecs.berkeley.edu/Classes/icdesign/ee241_s13/Assignments/lab3-stdcell.pdf

(Our 1st and 2nd gen are 100% standard cells)

New Mimblewimble implementation: https://www.beam.mw
Spondoolies is now part of Blockstream: https://blog.blockstream.com/en-blockstream-mining-builds-momentum-with-spondoolies-acquisition/
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May 23, 2014, 06:22:08 PM
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There was a time when this thread wouldn't have tolerated a competitor's speculation, times sure have changed.

GTFO, thanks.

Since this thread is the only meaningfull way to communicate between share holders, it makes sense to discuss how is the competition doing. We always do. And the spoon guy is just giving is point of view, not spamming around. I personally appreciate to know his view, in particular he's just answering my question and not advertising anything else. You're grown up so you know it's a competitor, do your own diligence anyway.

It's bitcointalk, not AM forum. No need to be rude.


Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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May 23, 2014, 06:25:07 PM
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AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?


Unlike BitFury and AM, we didn't use custom circuit design (with custom PDK) in our 1st and 2nd gen.
It's a time consuming effort, that needed to be redone from the beginning when moving to a more advance process node.

We're doing that with our 3rd gen and we understand the effort. I don't believe AM can produce a competitive 28nm in time.
BitFury on the other hand will probably do.

Sounding like you're throwing down the gauntlet to FC by posting this in his backyard.

I was asked a question and I answered. I'll stop posting here now.

Just googled the following: http://bwrcs.eecs.berkeley.edu/Classes/icdesign/ee241_s13/Assignments/lab3-stdcell.pdf

(Our 1st and 2nd gen are 100% standard cells)

Facts are facts. The future; well if you knew that with absolute certainty you wouldn't bother spending time building ASICs.  Grin

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May 23, 2014, 06:30:42 PM
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AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design"

Could you elaborate a little bit? How is this different from your own custom implementation of SHA256?


Unlike BitFury and AM, we didn't use custom circuit design (with custom PDK) in our 1st and 2nd gen.
It's a time consuming effort, that needed to be redone from the beginning when moving to a more advance process node.

We're doing that with our 3rd gen and we understand the effort. I don't believe AM can produce a competitive 28nm in time.
BitFury on the other hand will probably do.

Sounding like you're throwing down the gauntlet to FC by posting this in his backyard.

I was asked a question and I answered. I'll stop posting here now.

Just googled the following: http://bwrcs.eecs.berkeley.edu/Classes/icdesign/ee241_s13/Assignments/lab3-stdcell.pdf

(Our 1st and 2nd gen are 100% standard cells)

Facts are facts. The future; well if you knew that with absolute certainty you wouldn't bother spending time building ASICs.  Grin



If he enjoys it then why not?

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May 23, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
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AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  Wink



aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.



Not my thread, but I need to set the record straight.
Our ASICs can achieve above 10 GHs. It was just one corner measurement.
At the end, it's system efficiency. I saw three examples of systems based on AM3 in the wild, all of them above 1.1 W/GHs.
Out system is about 0.85 W/GHs at full power.
We've taped out our 2nd gen ASIC, and we'll be below 0.45 W/GHs at the system level in two months.

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design", which means it will take at least 6 months to produce 28nm. Well in time for our 3rd gen.
Finally, we can compete on the price as well.

That's not setting the record straight at all. How much power did your ASIC consume when running at over 10 GH/s?
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May 23, 2014, 06:43:17 PM
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AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  Wink



aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.



Not my thread, but I need to set the record straight.
Our ASICs can achieve above 10 GHs. It was just one corner measurement.
At the end, it's system efficiency. I saw three examples of systems based on AM3 in the wild, all of them above 1.1 W/GHs.
Out system is about 0.85 W/GHs at full power.
We've taped out our 2nd gen ASIC, and we'll be below 0.45 W/GHs at the system level in two months.

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design", which means it will take at least 6 months to produce 28nm. Well in time for our 3rd gen.
Finally, we can compete on the price as well.

Can you guys imagine FC showing up in this guy's thread and commenting about how they are doomed?
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May 23, 2014, 06:45:39 PM
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AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  Wink



aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.



Not my thread, but I need to set the record straight.
Our ASICs can achieve above 10 GHs. It was just one corner measurement.
At the end, it's system efficiency. I saw three examples of systems based on AM3 in the wild, all of them above 1.1 W/GHs.
Out system is about 0.85 W/GHs at full power.
We've taped out our 2nd gen ASIC, and we'll be below 0.45 W/GHs at the system level in two months.

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design", which means it will take at least 6 months to produce 28nm. Well in time for our 3rd gen.
Finally, we can compete on the price as well.

Can you guys imagine FC showing up in this guy's thread and commenting about how they are doomed?

Only if that means he shows up here first  Smiley

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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May 23, 2014, 06:45:46 PM
Last edit: May 23, 2014, 06:58:00 PM by Spondoolies-Tech
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AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  Wink



aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.



Not my thread, but I need to set the record straight.
Our ASICs can achieve above 10 GHs. It was just one corner measurement.
At the end, it's system efficiency. I saw three examples of systems based on AM3 in the wild, all of them above 1.1 W/GHs.
Out system is about 0.85 W/GHs at full power.
We've taped out our 2nd gen ASIC, and we'll be below 0.45 W/GHs at the system level in two months.

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design", which means it will take at least 6 months to produce 28nm. Well in time for our 3rd gen.
Finally, we can compete on the price as well.

That's not setting the record straight at all. How much power did your ASIC consume when running at over 10 GH/s?

Sigh.

You quote a number shown in one measurement. There is no one ASIC
Every ASIC behaves differently, based on it's place on the production curve. On top of that, there is cooling.
We can pick a much better corner ASIC, cool it and do a much better measurement. You need to compare apples to apples and this is not the case.

At the end, all that is matter is system efficiency at the wall. It averages the ASICs, PSU and DC2DC design (if you use one).

I'll stop posting here now.

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Spondoolies is now part of Blockstream: https://blog.blockstream.com/en-blockstream-mining-builds-momentum-with-spondoolies-acquisition/
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May 23, 2014, 06:47:30 PM
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I'll stop posting here now.

Thanks for the info, sorry for the rude tons.

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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May 23, 2014, 06:49:23 PM
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Hey guys sorry if this question's been answered recently but is anyone else noticed that it's taking a long time to transfer direct shares from one address to another?  Sent a request more than a week ago and haven't heard anything.

I've been out of the loop for a while so maybe there's an automated way to do this finally?

Lastly, I have a link to a super old google doc that shows the list of current investors but it hasn't been updated in a year.  Is there a new one?

Thanks!


recent transfer request of mine took less than 48 hours, from "direct" to havelock, about a week ago

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Spoondoolies hardware might be marginally better, but the business model is different from AM.
We shouldn't really be scared of other competitors out there, those playing a price war or only pursuing a more efficient product are destined to fail in the long run. The real game is owning the market, and for that there are many more tricks in the bag to accomplish so.
In fact AM is way ahead of the game since day one, first as a public mining farm, secondly pushing immersion cooling, thirdly as a franchise, foruthly as a chip supplier with key partnerships. It is this vision what makes AM an outstanding contender, and it is way more threatening when you realize how well capitalized is this company to do whatever they want.

It is key for a CEO to know when to hold his horses and when to pivot its business model, and that is something that Friedcat seems to be quite competent at its assessment.
I don't know if you guys realized that Friedcat is playing an asymmetric warfare here, not only decentralized mining farms with its franchises, but also decentralized the production of hardware by getting solid partnerships such as Rockminer's.
AM goal seems to be to eventually become the OEM of asic miners.

It is not Spoondolies vs. AM.
It is Spondoolies against all AM partners out there inundating the market with AM hardware.
So what if Friedcat ends up partnering up with more hardware manufacturers, it will be funny to see how Bitfury, AntMiner, Spoondolies, BFL perform fighting against a constellation of AM partners.
Especially if the ratio ends up favoring towards the AM gang... And we might already be getting there.
AM is in a completely different league.

The battle of the hashrates is insignificant against the war of owning the marketshare.
Geeks can't survive it unless you have a clear business sense.

PS: those mocking us regarding to "imaginary dividends". Let me tell you that AM ROI was beyond 1000% IN BITCOINS, so multiply that by the 200% appreciation of the bitcoin price during that period, and that's only in dividends. Anything extra I might get now, it is just money falling from the skies for me.
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May 23, 2014, 07:11:05 PM
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AM is not the latest crap in bitcoin world.  Wink



aaaactually, i beg to differ.

AM - 0.554 J/Gh at 11.52 Gh/s.
Spondoolies - 0.58 J/Gh at 7.5 Gh/s.



Not my thread, but I need to set the record straight.
Our ASICs can achieve above 10 GHs. It was just one corner measurement.
At the end, it's system efficiency. I saw three examples of systems based on AM3 in the wild, all of them above 1.1 W/GHs.
Out system is about 0.85 W/GHs at full power.
We've taped out our 2nd gen ASIC, and we'll be below 0.45 W/GHs at the system level in two months.

AM3 can't compete on 28nm, since it's "custom design", which means it will take at least 6 months to produce 28nm. Well in time for our 3rd gen.
Finally, we can compete on the price as well.

That's not setting the record straight at all. How much power did your ASIC consume when running at over 10 GH/s?

Sigh.

You quote a number shown in one measurement. There is no one ASIC
Every ASIC behaves differently, based on it's place on the production curve. On top of that, there is cooling.
We can pick a much better corner ASIC, cool it and do a much better measurement. You need to compare apples to apples and this is not the case.

At the end, all that is matter is system efficiency at the wall. It average the ASICs, PSU and DC2DC design (if you use one).

I'll stop posting here now.

You give appearance of knowing more about the BE200 than we have available to us when making comparisons. All calculated performance thus far is derived from physical equipment where manufacturers elect to drive their ASICs based on component cost and the market tolerance for inefficiencies at present. Really doesn't address power optimization which Spoondoolies appears to have not also made paramount in system design
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