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May 23, 2014, 10:28:26 PM
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for small miners I'm still waiting to see 4 hashratio's miners stacked like the 4 SP10

Not exactly 4 but this might be what you're looking for.(10th/s)



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May 23, 2014, 11:14:07 PM
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My question is, from my reading if the design is good a fully custom chip outperforms standard cell chips. If that's wrong why would anyone do full custom design?

it's not wrong. full custom is only for expert as there is more risk. BitFury has show precedent, i guess he can decimate competition on a v3 chip. and from some of the replies here are really defensive, what spoondoolies have said is correct, he is not stirring the pot only writing factual things.

people seem to rejoice about rockminer confirmation of chips they have order, did they miss btcgarden has ordered more than 10x the amount?

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May 23, 2014, 11:42:45 PM
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Spoondoolies hardware might be marginally better, but the business model is different from AM.
We shouldn't really be scared of other competitors out there, those playing a price war or only pursuing a more efficient product are destined to fail in the long run. The real game is owning the market, and for that there are many more tricks in the bag to accomplish so.
In fact AM is way ahead of the game since day one, first as a public mining farm, secondly pushing immersion cooling, thirdly as a franchise, foruthly as a chip supplier with key partnerships. It is this vision what makes AM an outstanding contender, and it is way more threatening when you realize how well capitalized is this company to do whatever they want.

It is key for a CEO to know when to hold his horses and when to pivot its business model, and that is something that Friedcat seems to be quite competent at its assessment.
I don't know if you guys realized that Friedcat is playing an asymmetric warfare here, not only decentralized mining farms with its franchises, but also decentralized the production of hardware by getting solid partnerships such as Rockminer's.
AM goal seems to be to eventually become the OEM of asic miners.

It is not Spoondolies vs. AM.
It is Spondoolies against all AM partners out there inundating the market with AM hardware.
So what if Friedcat ends up partnering up with more hardware manufacturers, it will be funny to see how Bitfury, AntMiner, Spoondolies, BFL perform fighting against a constellation of AM partners.
Especially if the ratio ends up favoring towards the AM gang... And we might already be getting there.
AM is in a completely different league.

The battle of the hashrates is insignificant against the war of owning the marketshare.
Geeks can't survive it unless you have a clear business sense.

PS: those mocking us regarding to "imaginary dividends". Let me tell you that AM ROI was beyond 1000% IN BITCOINS, so multiply that by the 200% appreciation of the bitcoin price during that period, and that's only in dividends. Anything extra I might get now, it is just money falling from the skies for me.

Totally agreed!

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May 23, 2014, 11:46:09 PM
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I am delighted to see my first ever bitcoin investment start to pick up again just in time for the next wave of adoption. Having sold 50% @ 3.5 and wondering if holding the other long was a bad move it seems patience is indeed a virtue.  Smiley

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May 24, 2014, 07:02:28 AM
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It is not Spoondolies vs. AM.
It is Spondoolies against all AM partners out there inundating the market with AM hardware.

Actually, most asic vendor are also selling bare chips.
Cointerra, Spoonsomething, Bitfury, HF Bitmine, ..

They may not focus on it (yet) like AM does, but AM's business model is hardly unique.
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May 24, 2014, 11:04:12 AM
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I am delighted to see my first ever bitcoin investment start to pick up again just in time for the next wave of adoption. Having sold 50% @ 3.5 and wondering if holding the other long was a bad move it seems patience is indeed a virtue.  Smiley
Well, technically, selling 100% and then buying them back at 0.3 would have been better.

This post is powered with hindsight!

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May 24, 2014, 11:06:35 AM
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Spoondoolies hardware might be marginally better, but the business model is different from AM.
We shouldn't really be scared of other competitors out there, those playing a price war or only pursuing a more efficient product are destined to fail in the long run. The real game is owning the market, and for that there are many more tricks in the bag to accomplish so.
In fact AM is way ahead of the game since day one, first as a public mining farm, secondly pushing immersion cooling, thirdly as a franchise, foruthly as a chip supplier with key partnerships. It is this vision what makes AM an outstanding contender, and it is way more threatening when you realize how well capitalized is this company to do whatever they want.

It is key for a CEO to know when to hold his horses and when to pivot its business model, and that is something that Friedcat seems to be quite competent at its assessment.
I don't know if you guys realized that Friedcat is playing an asymmetric warfare here, not only decentralized mining farms with its franchises, but also decentralized the production of hardware by getting solid partnerships such as Rockminer's.
AM goal seems to be to eventually become the OEM of asic miners.

It is not Spoondolies vs. AM.
It is Spondoolies against all AM partners out there inundating the market with AM hardware.
So what if Friedcat ends up partnering up with more hardware manufacturers, it will be funny to see how Bitfury, AntMiner, Spoondolies, BFL perform fighting against a constellation of AM partners.
Especially if the ratio ends up favoring towards the AM gang... And we might already be getting there.
AM is in a completely different league.

The battle of the hashrates is insignificant against the war of owning the marketshare.
Geeks can't survive it unless you have a clear business sense.

PS: those mocking us regarding to "imaginary dividends". Let me tell you that AM ROI was beyond 1000% IN BITCOINS, so multiply that by the 200% appreciation of the bitcoin price during that period, and that's only in dividends. Anything extra I might get now, it is just money falling from the skies for me.
Well put

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May 24, 2014, 11:35:20 AM
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http://www.bitell.com/t/2156 (Review of 40nm AM Chips 768GH/s HashRatio Bitcoin Miner)

seems to show 1.2 w/gh at the wall.

How does that stack up?


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May 24, 2014, 11:43:05 AM
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Friedcat has replied to me by e-mail that he has the future plan  for self-mining when the chip sales is no more that profitable , and the mining farm may be located in Canada or North Europe.

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May 24, 2014, 11:44:21 AM
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Friedcat has replied to me by e-mail that he has the future plan  for self-mining when the chip sales is no more that profitable , and the mining farm may be located in Canada or North Europe.

div's in 3 days then ?  Undecided

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May 24, 2014, 11:46:04 AM
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Friedcat has replied to me by e-mail that he has the future plan  for self-mining when the chip sales is no more that profitable , and the mining farm may be located in Canada or North Europe.

If true (proof? and when did he reply?) this would indicate he has no problems of selling gen 3, which is excellent. Mining is good, but if selling the chips is possible, this is even better.

I should have gotten into Bitcoin back in 1992...
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May 24, 2014, 11:53:44 AM
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Friedcat has replied to me by e-mail that he has the future plan  for self-mining when the chip sales is no more that profitable , and the mining farm may be located in Canada or North Europe.

If true (proof? and when did he reply?) this would indicate he has no problems of selling gen 3, which is excellent. Mining is good, but if selling the chips is possible, this is even better.

Glad to hear about decentralizing out of China/HK too.

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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May 24, 2014, 11:58:11 AM
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Friedcat has replied to me by e-mail that he has the future plan  for self-mining when the chip sales is no more that profitable , and the mining farm may be located in Canada or North Europe.

If true (proof? and when did he reply?) this would indicate he has no problems of selling gen 3, which is excellent. Mining is good, but if selling the chips is possible, this is even better.

Glad to hear about decentralizing out of China/HK too.

But why Canada or North Europe?

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May 24, 2014, 12:26:00 PM
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Friedcat has replied to me by e-mail that he has the future plan  for self-mining when the chip sales is no more that profitable , and the mining farm may be located in Canada or North Europe.

If true (proof? and when did he reply?) this would indicate he has no problems of selling gen 3, which is excellent. Mining is good, but if selling the chips is possible, this is even better.

Glad to hear about decentralizing out of China/HK too.

But why Canada or North Europe?

Cold there.
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May 24, 2014, 12:28:27 PM
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It is not Spoondolies vs. AM.
It is Spondoolies against all AM partners out there inundating the market with AM hardware.

Actually, most asic vendor are also selling bare chips.
Cointerra, Spoonsomething, Bitfury, HF Bitmine, ..

They may not focus on it (yet) like AM does, but AM's business model is hardly unique.


The difference is the scale and afaik, none of the rest are actually supplying independent retailers, but private farmers.
So to put it simple, the rest are supplying chips to big customers.
AM will be supplying their big customer's customer, each sold through their own respective sales and marketing team. The potential for growth is exponential.
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May 24, 2014, 12:59:20 PM
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Friedcat has replied to me by e-mail that he has the future plan  for self-mining when the chip sales is no more that profitable , and the mining farm may be located in Canada or North Europe.

If true (proof? and when did he reply?) this would indicate he has no problems of selling gen 3, which is excellent. Mining is good, but if selling the chips is possible, this is even better.

Glad to hear about decentralizing out of China/HK too.

But why Canada or North Europe?

In certain areas the electricity is practically for free

I should have gotten into Bitcoin back in 1992...
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May 24, 2014, 02:34:43 PM
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The difference is the scale and afaik, none of the rest are actually supplying independent retailers, but private farmers.

Plenty of chinese vendors selling Bitmine based miners:
http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=coincraft

In fact, far more than you can find asicminer based products right now.

A couple of vendors like VMC are selling Hasfast based miners, plenty of re-sellers selling Bitfury gear, and lets not forget like I did, Avalon.

AM announced scale is indeed fairly impressive, but then we dont know what the competition has in store. Moreover, my point was merely that the business model is far from unique.
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May 24, 2014, 02:51:26 PM
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But why Canada or North Europe?
As well as lower electricity tariffs, there's also less sovereign risk.
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May 24, 2014, 03:19:59 PM
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Miners: The Gathering. http://www.bitell.com/t/2157

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May 24, 2014, 03:26:58 PM
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Miners: The Gathering. http://www.bitell.com/t/2157

I was wondering when that was going to happen. Miner OEMs colluding to fix prices and slow the price erosion.
Since mining is a zero sum game, it pays off for them to work together to limit overall supply. Like OPEC for the bicoin mining industry Smiley.
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