ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[rudi]

Prediction: No dividends before gen4 is taped out, tested, and friedcat is satisfied with the result.

If gen4 fails to satisfy friedcat, the funds that could have been used to pay out dividends will be used for a contingency plan.

This would be a reasonable thing to do. It might also partially explain why no divs have been paid out in August: Funds are being retained a bit longer, in case the imminent tape-out of gen4 fails or fizzles.

Disclaimer: I'm pulling this theory out of my ass.

This is a reasonable idea.  And a good business decision as well.

That would be horrible for shareholders. You do know how much time passes from tape-out till you can actually test the chip?

No. I actually don't.

Me neither, but I'd like to know. Why does it have to be longer than a few weeks?

For AM's Gen3 tape-out happened around mid to late January 2014. Testing was done on March 28th/29th. So that was approx. 8-9 weeks from tape-out (which is very quick). I am not an expert in this field but others stated that this normally takes a minimum of 3 months.

EDIT: To avoid any misunderstandings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape-out

Tape-out of gen3 was sometime in February, though I think we never got a confirmation on the exact date:

The tapout date is pulled back to early Feburary due to further modifications for robustness and stability, but mass delivery date is still March.

So it seems that AM was very quick indeed in that respect.

Something else that I haven't seen mentioned in a long time is the following:

4) The next gen chips, BE300, are likely to be compatible with BE200 with respect to pinouts and package. Therefore all efforts on BE200 based designs are always useful in the long term.

To me, this means that the transition from gen3 products to gen4 products should be quite fast as well.

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[vortex1878]

Thanks for the correction, rudi. In fact I had pulled the tape-out date from my memory. But testing date is accurate. Still 8 weeks from tape-out to testing though.

[lunarboy]

To save scanning pages of this thread. Can anyone tell me about the tape out for Gen 4? It's been announced, but has a date been mentioned?

thanks

[feifa]

Also, once mining numbers are released, can we get a count on the total number of BTC produced by AM, and (though highly unlikely more than an estimate) BTC produced by AM-built hardware?  These numbers are easy for both investors and customers to understand, and it shouldn't take more than a day to come up with those numbers.

This address maybe AM's mining address, because BTC in the address have been transfered to 17EA1UT5amSvasuhzUDPs1pLgxdrbRYLAX which
has relation with the sale address.

https://blockchain.info/address/1H7FpBV8huVmPvt5eRzszAkgnERH2FaWvq

[hdbuck]

To save scanning pages of this thread. Can anyone tell me about the tape out for Gen 4? It's been announced, but has a date been mentioned?

thanks

No dates so far. But everything on schedule according to board member.

[RoadStress]

For AM's Gen3 tape-out happened around mid to late January 2014. Testing was done on March 28th/29th. So that was approx. 8-9 weeks from tape-out (which is very quick). I am not an expert in this field but others stated that this normally takes a minimum of 3 months.

EDIT: To avoid any misunderstandings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape-out

I think you should also mention when was the first miner running and when sales started (which was ~2 months after the first chip demo)

[rudi]

To save scanning pages of this thread. Can anyone tell me about the tape out for Gen 4? It's been announced, but has a date been mentioned?

thanks

No official announcement regarding the date, other than that it's going to happen before the end of the year.
We know that board members know the date, but they don't want to make it public.
There is a rumor that tape-out will happen in less than a week.

[rudi]

Also, once mining numbers are released, can we get a count on the total number of BTC produced by AM, and (though highly unlikely more than an estimate) BTC produced by AM-built hardware?  These numbers are easy for both investors and customers to understand, and it shouldn't take more than a day to come up with those numbers.

This address maybe AM's mining address, because BTC in the address have been transfered to 17EA1UT5amSvasuhzUDPs1pLgxdrbRYLAX which
has relation with the sale address.

https://blockchain.info/address/1H7FpBV8huVmPvt5eRzszAkgnERH2FaWvq

Thanks, feifa!

[lunarboy]

There is a rumor that tape-out will happen in less than a week.

Who doesn't love, a good positive rumour 



Generally appreciating the high level of conversation recently.

Pleasant change 

[jdany]

There is a rumor that tape-out will happen in less than a week.

Generally appreciating the high level of conversation recently.

Pleasant change 

Yes!  Everyone loves a good spat - but it gets old and boring after a bit.
Loving it.

[hl5460]

10btc/hour goes to the AM mining income address. 4 tx in a row so far.

[hdbuck]

10btc/hour goes to the AM mining income address. 4 tx in a row so far.

https://blockchain.info/address/1HtUGfbDcMzTeHWx2Dbgnhc6kYnj1Hp24i



edit: and it does have some similarity with the one feifa mentioned: https://blockchain.info/address/1H7FpBV8huVmPvt5eRzszAkgnERH2FaWvq (10BTC transactions)

[Ditto]

edit: and it does have some similarity with the one feifa mentioned: https://blockchain.info/address/1H7FpBV8huVmPvt5eRzszAkgnERH2FaWvq (10BTC transactions)

Not just the amount. Both addresses have been receiving 10BTC transactions from BTC Guild.

[feifa]

Could we see the divs next week?

[der_meister]

10 BTC for every 7 blocks - my math says that's almost 12PH. Good!

[fsb4000]

10 BTC for every 7 blocks - my math says that's almost 12PH. Good!

10 BTC per hour is  13 PH.
fixed for you  

[Fortega]

edit: and it does have some similarity with the one feifa mentioned: https://blockchain.info/address/1H7FpBV8huVmPvt5eRzszAkgnERH2FaWvq (10BTC transactions)

Not just the amount. Both addresses have been receiving 10BTC transactions from BTC Guild.

Both addresses received 10BTC again.

Followed a trace from 1H7FpBV8huVmPvt5eRzszAkgnERH2FaWvq ending on 04/09 in 13p5iQkqBEVgKmPeJqEL2LBRS44PjX1dZL, which currently has a balance of 2,950 BTC (1M €). Of course, that doesn't mean anything :-p

[lophie]

edit: and it does have some similarity with the one feifa mentioned: https://blockchain.info/address/1H7FpBV8huVmPvt5eRzszAkgnERH2FaWvq (10BTC transactions)

Not just the amount. Both addresses have been receiving 10BTC transactions from BTC Guild.

Both addresses received 10BTC again.

Followed a trace from 1H7FpBV8huVmPvt5eRzszAkgnERH2FaWvq ending on 04/09 in 13p5iQkqBEVgKmPeJqEL2LBRS44PjX1dZL, which currently has a balance of 2,950 BTC (1M €). Of course, that doesn't mean anything :-p

Hey addresses hyped people, Any address of these claimed to be the "safe" or "dividends" address by ASICMINER? Because even if it was a "sales" address. It could be just a customer.

I am not hating it is just feel like another push the price up for a seconds scheme.

[ensurance982]

Huh, highly interesting! I believe they could be mining on one address for company expenses or running costs, and the other address (our 'regular' dividends address) is meant for a direct payout to shareholders! Wow..... wow!

[dmcdad]

I am not hating it is just feel like another push the price up for a seconds scheme.

Given how thin the order book is on Havelock, this seems unlikely. That is, given the cost (50BTC at the moment) the price on Havelock would have to increase significantly more (or the order book is going to have to become much more dense) for it to be a profitable manipulation.