ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[jimmothy]

According to http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/36064-tsmc-volume-production-of-16nm-finfet-in-2h-2015 TSMC isn't doing mass production of 16nm FF until late Q2/Q3.  Ergo: KnC is full of shit.  As for 0.07w/GH I'll believe it when i see it.

KnC doesn't need "mass production". A dozen of wafers isn't mass production and that's what KnC needs. Mass production may be for Samsung, not for KnC. What should worry anyone is that they are upgrading their DC to 30MW and only BitFury can compete with that amount of power. No other hardware manufacturer can compete with these 2 giants. And i will not point it towards AM. I'm looking at everyone right now. If they miss the power by a factor of 3 it means they will hit 0.21W/GH. 30MW should bring you A SHIT TON of hashpower that will be deployed and controlled by KnC in their DC. That means less hassle with shipping and assembling miners. We all know they prefer to use skeleton miners (just like BF).

25 MW worth of 0.07 w/gh hardware is ~350 PH/s. A dozen wafers will get them nowhere.

[Dexter770221]

FinFET isn't magic word that alone can reduce power consumption 10 times (vs 20nm planar). It allows to power devices with little bit lower voltages, and this maybe a secret of 0.07W/GH - low power mode. But performance will be ~1/3 of nominal. At normal operation speed it will be more like 0.15W/GH (0.2W at wall).
Of course KnC propably will decide to operate @ low power modes becuse they have access to cheap chips, so it's better for them to put 3 times more miners than have 2 times more power costs.

+this

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25 MW worth of 0.07 w/gh hardware is ~350 PH/s. A dozen wafers will get them nowhere.

with new node proccess and yield @ 50%....

[SebastianJu]

Thats the best article i found on those KNC Solar Miners: http://www.coindesk.com/kncminer-plans-16nm-bitcoin-mining-asic-launch-2015/

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

No and maybe.

All theoretical profits of AMHash units sold at IPO are distributed as dividends. AM had better have received sales proceeds for the miners supporting the AMHash units sold at IPO.

As for the AMHash units that did not sell at IPO, there is no information as to the operational concept.

What you just said is completely wrong. AMHash is a 5 Ph/s mine created by AM using AM hardware. AMHash is simply a service of AM just like the Prisma is a product of AM. The profit from selling AMHash units are not distributed as dividends to AMHash holders at all. That profit goes to AM. What gets distributed as dividends to AMHash holders is the proceeds form mining, just like someone who bought a miner would get BTC from mining. As for the units that don't sell, they mine for AM, because it's an AM service.

AMHash is created by rockminer, not ASICMINER.

[Dexter770221]

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AMHash is created by rockminer, not ASICMINER.

I would say it's close cooperation of those two....

[Puppet]

FinFET isn't magic word that alone can reduce power consumption 10 times (vs 20nm planar). It allows to power devices with little bit lower voltages, and this maybe a secret of 0.07W/GH - low power mode. But performance will be ~1/3 of nominal. At normal operation speed it will be more like 0.15W/GH (0.2W at wall).

Claims of 0.1W/GH at the wall are being made by Bitfury and Spondoolies for their next gen 28nm chips next year. Saying one couldnt do as good, let alone better with 16nm FF+ is ridiculous. Whether or not KNC can and actually will do it remains to be seen of course, but the claim by itself seems perfectly plausible.

Likewise, TSMC 16nm FF+ already is in risk production:

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC) has reached a new milestone. On Wednesday, the company announced that it has entered risk production for its 16nm FinFET Plus (16FF+) process.

It is yet another sign that the world's largest chip foundry is ahead of schedule with its first 3D chips that will be at the core of a new generation of smaller, more powerful mobile devices, according to analysts who cover the company.
[...]
TSMC is conducting small-volume shipments of 16FF+ this quarter, according to Peng.

http://www.eetasia.com/ART_8800706581_480200_NT_b0b285ad.HTM

[Mabsark]

AMHash is created by rockminer, not ASICMINER.

It's managed by Rockminer.

In this contract, the hashrate is provided by ASICMiner, the management is provided by RockMiner, and the platform is provided by HavelockInvestments.
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Risk control
1. Before IPO closes, ASICMiner has the right to buy back at the price of IPO price * 100.5%.

If it was owned by Rockminer, then Rockminer would have the right to buy back, not ASICMiner.

[RoadStress]

FinFET isn't magic word that alone can reduce power consumption 10 times (vs 20nm planar). It allows to power devices with little bit lower voltages, and this maybe a secret of 0.07W/GH - low power mode. But performance will be ~1/3 of nominal. At normal operation speed it will be more like 0.15W/GH (0.2W at wall).
Of course KnC propably will decide to operate @ low power modes becuse they have access to cheap chips, so it's better for them to put 3 times more miners than have 2 times more power costs.

+this

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25 MW worth of 0.07 w/gh hardware is ~350 PH/s. A dozen wafers will get them nowhere.

with new node proccess and yield @ 50%....

Can KnC get a better yield after they receive and test the first set of wafers? If yes then it's a matter of 3-4 months until they can fill their DC.

On another note:

Kaboom!

[hdbuck]

ffs roadstress, this is AM security thread, not HW. i believe every people watching over this thread also check the HW one. no need to cross post it like the whiny little prick you are.

[raskul]

ffs roadstress, this is AM security thread, not HW. i believe every people watching over this thread also check the HW one. no need to cross post it like the whiny little prick you are.

  it would seem the chips aren't very secure 

[Puppet]

ffs roadstress, this is AM security thread, not HW.

If AM boards are spontaneously combusting, in your mind that is irrelevant to the company selling them? Its not like this is the first such report.

[RoadStress]

ffs roadstress, this is AM security thread, not HW. i believe every people watching over this thread also check the HW one. no need to cross post it like the whiny little prick you are.

Really? What about:

IMMERSION COOLING

Also I don't see you criticize this post either:

here's where he intially posted it

This is what i call <image removed> burned miners ;-).

I love biased replies!

[hdbuck]

ffs roadstress, this is AM security thread, not HW.

If AM boards are spontaneously combusting, in your mind that is irrelevant to the company selling them? Its not like this is the first such report.

exactly.

[Puppet]

ffs roadstress, this is AM security thread, not HW.

If AM boards are spontaneously combusting, in your mind that is irrelevant to the company selling them? Its not like this is the first such report.

exactly.

..in the hardware threads. I dont even think its been mentioned here. You'd rather have investors not know I guess.

[NotLambchop]

ffs roadstress, this is AM security thread, not HW.

If AM boards are spontaneously combusting, in your mind that is irrelevant to the company selling them? Its not like this is the first such report.

exactly.

Meh.  Still pretty bearish.  Won't consider investing in this until 100% of AM gear self-combusts.

[hdbuck]

sry aint gonna feed you more guys, i want these issues, kindly articulated by those venerable members, to be addressed first.

when are we going to see some financial statements? AM seems to be busy busy but where is the money going? solomining? all sold to private investors as Datatank? what is going on? is AM just a shadow? are all profits being syphoned into umbrella companies?

I want FC to address this BS, not one of his minions to come on here and simply deny. That has been the course for over a year and things are just sliding further down. dont talk to me about LONG range goals and long games... we get no info, no divs and tanking share value. What part of this equation is ok? answer=none of it!

Its a mystery what is going on with FC and AM.

In agreement, its pretty damn dark here without any news of what is going on
Haven't seen a financial in a long time either so a lot of clarification is due.
Until then as you mentioned still a mystery.

+1. I'm personally waiting for more clarification by the board members/team etc. I still believe in the long term viability of ASICMiner, it's just that the lack of information is really depressing.

well, the real problem for me is; we hear about things like Datatank and that it was completely sold to private buyers months after the fact and the coresponding fact that dividends vanished around the same time. So then, to me, it looks like this; FC sells Datatank to his buddies, puts entire AM operations into immersion cooled mining, send all future profits to buddies, AM shareholders get nothing. Same logic applies to Amhash. Unless the structuring of these side-businesses and thier financial relation to AM, and the complete financials of AM is made public I can only assume we are all being sold down the river.

Come on FC, allay our fears!

oh, nevermind  

friedcat - communication is important. When you communicated you could get great valuation, raise funds & do great things. Please get a real PR person and get professional about it.

Not to mention, they'd sell a shitton more product too.
Everyone's always in "figure out AM" mode.

I'm not down for mystery or puzzles anymore.
I need a moneymaker.

+1. Been a staunch AM holder almost since their inception, and I sincerely wish they're more open now that it's hurting shareholder interests (and their own). They seriously need to get a PR person like what they advertised for, and start releasing regular financial sheets.

[RoadStress]

sry aint gonna feed you more guys, i want these issues, kindly articulated by those venerable members, to be addressed first.

Again a biased reaction. When I raised issues you accused me of trying to sell SP-Tech gear. When someone else raises issues it's ok. When I post a picture it's not ok. When you or someone else posts pictures it's ok. I got used with your biased reactions, don't worry!

[hdbuck]

sry aint gonna feed you more guys, i want these issues, kindly articulated by those venerable members, to be addressed first.

Again a biased reaction. When I raised issues you accused me of trying to sell SP-Tech gear. When someone else raises issues it's ok. When I post a picture it's not ok. When you or someone else posts pictures it's ok. I got used with your biased reactions, don't worry!

besides being well articulated, the issues they raised are coherent with the timing and their personal stake.
you are just a silly monkey squeaking to get attention.

[gogxmagog]

ffs roadstress, this is AM security thread, not HW.

If AM boards are spontaneously combusting, in your mind that is irrelevant to the company selling them? Its not like this is the first such report.

exactly.

..in the hardware threads. I dont even think its been mentioned here. You'd rather have investors not know I guess.

I haven't found any reports of AM hardware catching fire. Not in hardware threads either. KfC however....thier chips catch fire occasionally, that is if you actually receive them (preorders from 3 months ago are just being produced, not even shipped yet)

[Chris_Sabian]

ffs roadstress, this is AM security thread, not HW.

If AM boards are spontaneously combusting, in your mind that is irrelevant to the company selling them? Its not like this is the first such report.

exactly.

..in the hardware threads. I dont even think its been mentioned here. You'd rather have investors not know I guess.

I haven't found any reports of AM hardware catching fire. Not in hardware threads either. KfC however....thier chips catch fire occasionally, that is if you actually receive them (preorders from 3 months ago are just being produced, not even shipped yet)

check in CrazyGuy group buy thread. There are several examples of prisms catching fire