I think the reserve bug is now foxed, can someone try to prove me wrong please.
Turned out there were no 0 volume trades, just that the asset page was showing completed(now empty) orders, thats been fixed.
Only thing that needs to be worked on now (unless some other bugs show up) are deposits and withdrawals
But right now were doing really we'll.
Good job on the testing guys, we're almost there.
Nefario
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any ways what it did is when i copied the btc address from your site in a browser and pasted to my account on btc-e in another browser tab to request withdrawal it would paste a different address i didnt notice it till today it was in a link on bitcointalk.org for an optimized miner so i downloaded the miner and ran it nothing happened so i just ignored it and didnt think anything of it until now From the user. It's a new address each time. I believe that visually verifying the address will protect against this. The addresses so far: 17PPGjFhmvt75yPAd5yFv9iYyBGQfHevnd 14Yq1jKRqwbb9oExcyZFZ6a92QTk333WEZ
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I'm planning to just have one chronological view of all transactions, and where fee's would be tied to the transactions they're on. For the time being it's all split into different sections.
A good idea! EDIT: can you drop a line here when signup should work so I can help testing? Fixed that bug, actually it highlighted a vulnerability. New accounts can be created. Focusing now on the BTC reserve bug now.
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I'm after being in contact with one of GLBSE's users who's funds have didn't seem to show up. After more investigation we discovered that he has a trojan/malware.
The malware recognises any bitcoin addresses that are copied, and replaces them with a new address, when you copy an address from your service you're using (GLBSE.com, Intersango.com) to your bitcoin client to transfer your coins, the malware replaces them with the scam address, so that your coins are sent to the hacker.
When I have more details on the software involved/responsible I will update, in the meantime make sure to double check the address you copy/paste.
I believe that this is a windows only vulnerability.
Nefairo
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Are we still having issues with the BTC reserve going down after orders are processed?
yes. see user ne@nada.va gui/design remark/wish: can the "Account showing:" be visible on every page while user is logged in? currently it's only visible in 'Portfolio' and I think it even changes while I click on the assets and different other pages and often loose track which account I am using. that would be huge usability improvement (keep the Account showing: in header on all pages) also I miss a summary 'Bitcoin history' view in the 2.0. got used to it and it's easier to read than the tables with partial info (fees paid, trades, etc). just my next 2 satoshi on the subject. also zero volume trades are still possible : ( I'll add the account showing(and the username) to all pages, good idea. I've got to hunt down that reserve bug- thats the big one for today. I'll tackle zero volume trades as well. I'm planning to just have one chronological view of all transactions, and where fee's would be tied to the transactions they're on. For the time being it's all split into different sections. Thanks for the testing.
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Hi, tried to sign up on dev.glbe.com got an error, has to do with csrf. I save the error page: http://pastebin.com/yQ2bmnGx (too big for a screenshot) Thanks for that, I'll get that one taken care of in a couple of hours. To use CSRF protection I needed to add a tag to every single form, I thought I had gotten them all, oh well this is what testing is for.
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Best of luck chaps, let us know ASAP when you have dates fixed...
In the mean time are there any weekly/monthly meetups in London area?
I'll be in the london hacker space on Monday for a bit :p Meetup there
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Latest updates and bugfixes are here. version march22
Fixed mail message bug where clicking on a message in the outbox caused an error.
Have added protection against CSRF.
Are we still having issues with the BTC reserve going down after orders are processed?
Last big push guys, database hasn't been reset so your accounts should all be there.
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friedcat has verified their identity with two forms of photo ID.
Phone and address verification still to be done.
Nefario.
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All sponsors who've sent in their logo are now up, with links to their site.
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At the time of the trade, the 1% would be determined and split between both parties. Trade at 1 BTC, fee is 0.01 BTC and 0.005 is charged to each party. Buyer buys 1 share for 1 BTC & 1.005 BTC is removed from their trading account. Seller sells 1 share for 1 BTC and 0.995 BTC is added to their account.
That would be a 1% fee split between buyer and seller. Not sure how you would handle the rounding on micro-trades. This is probably why brokerage houses charge a per trade fee and not a %.
OK, sure, this makes sense The fee should only be charged to 1 party, but not limited to 1 side of the trade. The person providing the liquidity should be able to make their trade for free. For example, if I put up a buy order at .15 and a sell order at .16, but the stock is actively trading at .155, I should not have to pay fees when my orders are eventually filled. The person who chooses to fill the order (buy at .16 or sell at .15) would pay the fee. This would encourage more open orders and improve liquidity. Just placing the fee on one side or the other seems to encourage holding or discourage trading, while free trades for providing liquidity would encourage more people to list orders, thereby encouraging more trading. It would also allow companies to list their IPO without being victim to double dipping (charging to create the asset and then charging to sell the asset).
I get this, actually yeah this is much better, but more complicated to implement. Very well, I'll implement this, although not for the initial launch, it will be a little bit after. For the time being then I'll keep the one sided trade fee (because that's whats there and it works, currently dealing with other issues), but cut it to 0.5% Thanks for the explanation guys.
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I don't understand how split fees would work with a stock exchange.
For a currency exchange, both sides of the trade are currencies, and you can take fees from both of them. For example in a BTC and USD trade you can take 0.5% off both, which is fine(neither side pays 1% but thats what you get).
But for a stock exchange, it's not a currency pair but shares and BTC, you can take the fee from the BTC side, but you can't do the same for the share side. As a stock exchange you don't want to be getting shares as payment (because that means you need to liquidate the share anyway) and shares are not divisible.
With bitcoin we can go all the way down to trades of 100 satoishi's before we need to change the code, but often(on GLBSE) single shares are traded, and even larger amounts you can't split into percentages(when there is less than 100 shares).
So how can you split the fee across the buyer/seller on a stock exchange?
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Thanks Nefario for getting rid of the dividend fee.
I think a withdrawal fee is fine, if you're paying it there's no reason you should eat that.
As I said before, the main reason was simple to ensure my accounts were balanced, dealing with the network fee is actually an annoying thing about bitcoin, it's not that it's a lot it's just that I'd like my accounts to say exactly what should be in the wallet. Actually in the very first version of GLBSE, running all the way up until July I think accounts would throw an error if what they said and what the bitcoin wallet said was supposed to be there was different. And every time this happened it locked a users account, so doing something like sending BTC to the same deposit address twice resulted in the books no balancing (because it's only meant to be one deposit per address) , it would throw an error and lock the account, wasted a terribly large amount of my time dealing with that :p
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how about also dropping the withdrawal fee ?
As mentioned in the other thread, the only withdrawal fee was a tiny 0.005btc(I think) to cover the network charge for processing the transaction (so I could keep my books balanced). I did have a minimum withdrawal amount of 1BTC. As was also mentioned in the other thread I will be dropping the withdrawal fee and minimum amount.
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Feels like you're ganging up on me, anyway I'll drop the dividend fee for the time being, if at a later time I want to reintroduce it we'll have a discussion first. I apologize. I was merely acting to protect the income I have promised my shareholders. Thank you Nefario, for your continued efforts. We all appreciate it. Coola boola, could you explain to this chap why split fees wont really work on a stock exchange (or explain to me why they will).
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For those of you who have been following the GLBSE, you are aware that GLBSE 2.0 is set to launch on Monday. In addition to many great improvements, there is also the potential introduction of a few new fees. GLBSE 2.0 Proposed Fees:- 1% Trade Fee (paid by seller)
- 8 BTC Asset Creation Fee
- 0.5% Dividend Fee
I understand the need for fees to keep the site alive and hopefully they will one day provide nefario with great wealth for what he has created. However, implementing a dividend fee doesn't sit well with me. I do not feel that my shareholders should have to pay what is effectively a brokerage, for allowing them to collect income from their investments. No brokerage has a fee like this in place and it will directly effect the earnings of your investment in MergedMining. Granted it is only 0.5%, but I feel like we still have time to influence nefario's decision to implement this type of fee. I have posted my opinion here, on the GLBSE 2.0 Development Thread. Please take the time to make your opinion on the subject known, whether you support the proposed fees or not. Feels like you're ganging up on me, anyway I'll drop the dividend fee for the time being, if at a later time I want to reintroduce it we'll have a discussion first. On the trade fee, it was asked by someone (can't remember where) that 1% is pretty steep for one side to pay (i.e. the seller) and why not split the fee across seller and buyer. This can be done with a currency exchange(where you can take some from both currencies) but doesn't work with shares. Also of note regarding the trade fee will be that high volume traders will get lower fees. Nefario.
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I agree, I would rather then having the fees added in trading/dividends to have the fees when you deposit/withdraw. We only had withdrawal fees on GLBSE1.0 to cover the fee's paid to the network for processing the transaction, it's a tiny amount and was never a source of income(to balance our books and the wallet). Exchanges have trade fees, that's the exchange business model, and GLBSE has been the exception only in that we've not charged anything over new asset fees (and those were there to discourage spam/scam assets, remember initially it was free). The fact is GLBSE has been running off it's own capital for more than a year at this point, and "revenue" doesn't come close to covering costs, for 1 months of charts.glbse.com it cost ~25BTC. Other costs include hosting, advertising, development etc. I'll reconsider having fees on dividends for the time being, but keep in mind it all depends on how well GLBSE sustains itself (never mind make a profit) on the soon to be introduced fee system. If we can't get into the black then there isn't going to be a GLBSE. Not to worry though we've still got about a year worth of runway left, and 2.0 is changing everything. Nefairo
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How come no trades show on glbse since the 13th?
That would be a good question to ask Nefario or (specifically) whoever runs the charts for GLBSE. Charts has stopped working, and won't be back up, in the meantime you can see the latest trades on our twitter stream here. To get information on asks/bids login to GLBSE, select asset and enter the asset name.
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Doesn't seem that complete, for example logos on the first page link to... image files of those logos...
Not all of them. The one from Intersango links to Intersango.com They are probably working on it. Can't talk for the other sponsors, but I've given Nefario the URL where he should link the logo to Thats pretty much it, I lost my internet connection until fairly late in the evening yesterday, so it wasn't until 5:30AM that I'd finished, thought I'd leave the links until the next day. Nefario
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