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Never invest in ANYTHING what you can't afford to lose.
Otherwise you've brought it upon your self.
Ought one not seize the ring buoy despite their risk of drowning? If your choice is to seize or drown, yes. If your choice is, swim to nice warm beach or seize. than.. maybe not, if you can't take the risk. If you bought in at $900, you may as well hold. |
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I sent him a PM moments after he left it. and he has been online since that time.
How long is enough? 1 month as he states all the time? to "cool off"?
So I should go how many days with a negative rating, which effects everyhting I do/can do, before I get really pissed off?
What's an acceptable amount? 24hrs? 1 week? a month? maybe 48.14 days?
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Aside from the fact that everyone see's VOD as trusted, unless they have a reason to feel otherwise?
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Once Again VOD the hero https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=913371Someone please knock this guy off his Godly thrown. Read over the guys posts please https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30747;sa=showPostsHe act's like an admin. he runs the forum, his rule is law. etc. ecause you were tagged trying to be a "fucking" scammer on one of your first chance posts. You were given a second chance over a 30 day period and you failed that too.
Clearly you want to run things your own way. Good for you - just don't look to me for a third chance. Regardless if the people are scammers. He speaks as if his is God, his word is the law. and "F*ck you, I am VOD!" Tried, and failed.
No loan for you. In fact, if anyone was stupid enough to loan you given your trust, that person should probably get negative trust for being an idiot. Undecided |
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.EXE FILE POSSIBLE MALWARE. DO NOT DOWNLOAD.
OMG, THIS right here proves how much of a pure dickhead you are. Read the f*cking post. Holy Crap! |
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Will they just be deleted?
Do they go to offtopic?
Do we have an emergency service?
Do we leave these people alone or will there be some kind of help?
There needs to be a contingency plan for increased number of suicidals.
I mean, seriously. People were calling the drop for months and were called trolls now look what happend. Now several people call total fail and these lunatics keep buying in. What do we do in case of desaster? There needs to be readily available help for emotional breakdowns to be able to save the permabulls lives after they lost it all.
Never invest in ANYTHING what you can't afford to lose. Otherwise you've brought it upon your self. |
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True, please move this to SCAM, as I think VOD is scamming users. Clearly it need's help. But thanks for reading, original thread is in meta  You're digging your own grave buddy. How is he scamming? Assuming VOD is wrong about your zip code (I have no clue, nor do I care), do you really think continuing to swear here and make wild accusations is helping to prove otherwise? Also leaving VOD an inflammatory trust rating... I get you're agitated but this is getting ridiculous. If your PM was sent in a similar tone I'm afraid you might be stuck with your neg for good. I'm unsure you really see this? If you were at a huge convention. Looking to sell/buy And some random dude walked up to you and screamed "HEY! This guy RIGHT HERE, he might be a scammer! BEWARE!" Than walked away. No reason, no questions. No response. You'd just take it and walk away. people in the building now, maybe won't buy your product, ignore you, or think you are infact a scammer. But that's fine right? The guy who did it. He's fine right. It's withing his right to do what he did? Give it time. Who care's what sort of damage is done |
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As is with my thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=913889.0The ability for anyone to do anything is a joke. something needs to be done. I understand 99% of them are accurate.. maybe 99.9%. But what of those whoa re screwed for nothing? How is it a fair system? Why No moderation? |
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Vod, do you have any proof he is lying about his zipcode?
If not, I suggest you remove the neg feedback, as it
seems unwarranted.
I've started the other thread 12 hours ago, he has ignored it Ignored three pm's and he has been online since (only 15 mins ago actually) So it would seem Sir VOD, need not answer to no one. The trust system really is a good idea, but a system without some sort of checks is a flawed system. Give him some time, maybe he is busy at the moment. I'm sure we all want to hear Vod's side of the story. Danny, Thats a stretch... as he said "some reason lied about postal code.. beware" not really "some reason" pretty obvious. Time isn't really a factor. He has no reason. Look at the guy's trader rating. he posts multiples per day. He has been online since the first issue. And in Bitcoins hours are weeks. It's already affected me |
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Lol thanks but VOD didn't lose me a job..
I'm an owner of the atm already,
no that's not him.
If you read the thread, and my rating
he found a march posting of me wanting a USD credit card to get a hulu account with (or hulu account)
where I stated the fake Postal code trick did not work for me
Than stated I used a fake postal code (beware)
and left negative.
He had nothing to do with the $1500 deal (only hundred... not a job..)
it was something I discussed this afternoon and my current trader rating hurt me.
He lives in norther Alberta. I'm in Manitoba. Likely 1100 miles apart or so.
No I understand what he said on his trust rating, however the fact that he was asked about you could have been the reason why he looked into a thread that was so old. Without knowing the details of the deal/job I really can't say what an appropriate solution would be for you. My first instinct would be to suggest some kind of on forum escrow service however this may or may not be applicable to your specific situation. If you are 1,100 miles away from each other then I would somewhat doubt that your trader knows him personally, however we do live in a global economy so who knows. My experience with Vod is that he is generally a reasonable person, so I would think he will eventually see this thread and either give some kind of more detailed explanation or remove the rating. Sorry for confusion. The lost deal was started and ended AFTER the feedback. I had no pending job's, deals or requests that would have warranted anyone to contact Sir VOD for anything. His negative feedback came completely out of nowhere. I can see zero reason someone would contact him. It would seem he simply got to page 80 of the forum and hit on my thread, decided to slander me and moved on to page 81. |
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True, please move this to SCAM, as I think VOD is scamming users. Clearly it need's help. But thanks for reading, original thread is in meta |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but all postal codes in Canada begin with a letter, followed by a number, then a letter, then a number, then a letter, then a number. Example K2G 2M4. (I'm Canadian)
Maybe Vod thought you were saying yours contained three consecutive zeros (000).
Maybe, but I explained in PM why I said 000, as well as sent him the link to unblickus and included said link within the thread if you look (sorry on phone so copy/paste isnt easy). My postal code is r0e0k0 to trick hulu you remove the letter's and add 2 zero's, than verify it's good. That makes my zip 00000... which doenst work. I mean, not overly clearly posted to the topic at original cause. BUT had nothing to do with me scamming/lieing/cheating/ or trying to fake who I was. I've also made other threads since than with my info/email on them. He had no actual reason to leave a damn thing. Let alone go ALLTHE WAY back to March to find a thread to slander me over? |
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Vod, do you have any proof he is lying about his zipcode?
If not, I suggest you remove the neg feedback, as it
seems unwarranted.
I've started the other thread 12 hours ago, he has ignored it Ignored three pm's and he has been online since (only 15 mins ago actually) So it would seem Sir VOD, need not answer to no one. The trust system really is a good idea, but a system without some sort of checks is a flawed system. |
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Lol thanks but VOD didn't lose me a job..
I'm an owner of the atm already,
no that's not him.
If you read the thread, and my rating
he found a march posting of me wanting a USD credit card to get a hulu account with (or hulu account)
where I stated the fake Postal code trick did not work for me
Than stated I used a fake postal code (beware)
and left negative.
He had nothing to do with the $1500 deal (only hundred... not a job..)
it was something I discussed this afternoon and my current trader rating hurt me.
He lives in norther Alberta. I'm in Manitoba. Likely 1100 miles apart or so.
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This system is fucked
I just got denied a transaction and deal due to my rating.
Because the Admins and Mod's are allowing this guy to run around with a God complex.
So it's effecting my bitcoin life.
So Yes. This is a serious issue that really needs to be looked into.
Stop letting fuck whits with no life, control others like this.
Have you PMed VOD? Have you given him/her a reasonable timeframe to reply? Seems you haven't because the neg trust was posted just today. I can't see anything good coming out of this off topic rant. You might want to step back and calmly re-evaluate the situation. Personal attacks on someone who you presumably would like to make amends with might not be the best course of action. I saw the feedback moments after it happened I pm'd him That was over 12 hours ago He was just online a few moments ago. He randomly slandered my reputation for absolutely ZERO reason. and the system on these forum's allow it. So yes, time was given, he's been online, and frankly this never should have taken place in the first place. |
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As I said previously, careless and or stupid people will be parted from their money no matter how many warnings we give them or how many users try to play whack-a-mole. When this community began there was no one really around "scambusting" like they do today. People had individual transactions, and if they went bad they were then themselves free to make accusations and it was generally judged on its merits. Since the community is much larger now and more filled with less technically proficient people, and more scammers this kind of individual attention to cases is restricted. Yet in spite of this the level of penalty enforcement has not decreased along with the decreased standard of evidence against users. This results in a very divisive and destructive type of infighting that is counterproductive in building trust networks and simply results in making them a tool of extortion and harassment because everyone is ready to engage in a witch hunt. How do you think the first of us around here had to learn these things? We did it BY BUILDING OUR OWN TRUST NETWORKS, and taking managed and informed risks, not relying on green and red numbers. In the end all the scammer has to do is make a new name. Does playing whack-a-mole endlessly on random usernames really stop them? What is an acceptable level of innocent people caught up in this? How much is an acceptable amount of their money, time, and effort burnt because of a careless false accusation? Can the cryptocoin community really afford to be burning people who want to honestly contribute now days? We are doing more to burn the users who want to contribute here than we are to punish the scammers. This policy is doing far more damage to this community than scammers ever could. And for what? Just to make the scammer change his username and try again. The current trust system will reduce the number of people who will carelessly send money to scammers. The default trust system makes it so newer users (and users who have little/no trading experience) to get somewhat of an idea as to how safe it is to trade with someone. Any potential trade with extreme caution tag would hopefully cause a newer user to do additional research prior to trading with someone and hopefully finding a trusted escrow provider who can provide some additional level of protection for both parties. This is especially true with newer users who receive negative trust as their reputation is worth nothing and can easily create a new account without such tag. As I mentioned before it is always appropriate to ask the "tough" questions to someone trying to do business. If they are honest they should have no problem either answering such questions or being honest they either do not wish to answer or cannot answer such questions. If it is any of the later then they likely have something to hide and it is likely the fact that they are trying to in some way scam. Anyone operating legitimately has an incentive to answer the "tough" questions because doing so adds a layer of legitimacy to their business. Playing wach-a-mole does stop the scammers because they either need to buy a new account (which takes money) or need to create a new account which comes with time intensive countermeasures against scamming and are largely ineffective for scamming. As I mentioned before decreasing the scam rate, even marginally will help the bitcoin economy and the chances of bitcoin's success. As you become a more experienced trader you should rely less on the default trust network and rely on your own trust network. You should either update your trust list or remember in your head who is trustworthy and who is not. Once you are an experienced trader you should give out negative trust only when someone has either scammed or when they are attempting to scam, or appear to be likely to attempt to scam in the future. You should not give trust to anyone you have a personal disagreement with as anyone who trusts your opinion may not want to trade with such person in the future over something personal. I do use an alternate account to view someone's trust feedback from the point of view that someone sees it by "default" as well as looking at feedback from my own trust network. I will share my trust network, you (or anyone else) is free to create a similar trust network or to add myself to their trust list to stay up to date as to whose feedback I personally deem accurate theymos
Gavin Andresen
gmaxwell
~TECSHARE
Vod
John (John K.)
Tomatocage
BadBear
Blazr
DannyHamilton
~jasonslow
escrow.ms
Stunna
DefaultTrust
hilariousandco
~redsn0w
OldScammerTag Without some kind of "default" trust network then a newer trader is not going to have any way of knowing who they should trust and who they should not trust. Any potential false accusation can be openly discussed here for anyone to see (as well as in the sales thread if an accusation is made via a posting instead of via trust). Any party potentially considering to trade with such person can take such discussion into consideration. Just because someone screams "scam" does not mean that something or someone is a scam, trust me I know from personal experience (I have had plenty of people be upset with me for various reasons that do not have to do with my potential to scam and have made false accusations against me, it did not negatively affect my ability to trade and if anything it highlighted my previous success). This is horse shit. I have very little in positive, so because of this dip shit
Trust: -2: -1 / +1(1)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
When using the above trust network I see you as: I do see you as you describe above when only using the default trust network. I find my trust network more accurate. From the looks of it you do not trade very much so I would find it somewhat unlikely that you would be affected in ways other then ego (not that I am defending this apparent trust rating that is probably not warranted). I think it would be very appropriate for Vod to chime in to give some kind of explanation regarding his trust report to the OP Well, I just lost out on a $1500 deal because of my rating. Shady yes, I tried to explain it away, but nope I've done deals with people who havn't left feedback, as I've left more than I've gotten. I'm not some random. I run an ATM in a major Canadian City. Look here's me on the far right :O  Had VOD asked for an explanation. Details or even commented to question before slandering me without reason. It could of been an easy fix. Edit: I know, I'm a sexy bitch... But he's been online in the last 12 hours since this went down. And sorry but minuts = days on the internet, one deal dead over this. and I frankly can't move on with anything else until it's fixed, as most people with a normal trust system see me as a big red flagged scammer. This never should of happened in the first place, and frankly the system needs to be fixed Some sort of thread, admin or mod needs to be put in place to be able to at LEAST counter claims like this. |
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I had a positive from a web designer, who after paying shut down his business, so today whilst I was digging, decided to rewrite my pos. I guess he retracted his.
Just show's what one person like VOD can do to a user's rating over nothing.
He also left this over 12 hours ago, and has been online since.
So I'm simply being ignored.
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Man you gift me $30 USD on paypal, in the note put your wallet. and I'll send you .10 bitcoin at the current rate that's more than fair. VOD single handily dropped me to a -2 rating (somehow) over nothing. and it really pisses me off. My paypal is online@takagari.com |
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This system is fucked
I just got denied a transaction and deal due to my rating.
Because the Admins and Mod's are allowing this guy to run around with a God complex.
So it's effecting my bitcoin life.
So Yes. This is a serious issue that really needs to be looked into.
Stop letting fuck whits with no life, control others like this.
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Just to get some more help on this. as I feel like some Higher than God MOFO with a hard on to be the hero is "Fuc*ing me" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=913889Any advice or help would be nice. I'm now sitting at a -2 for no f*cking reason. ARG! |
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