If we get to the point where we don't have to work for goods anymore, via this resource based economy, we can afford to work on each other.
Except it's a fallacy. The Luddite Fallacy, to be precise, and it's old. Folks like you have been saying that since machines and factories were invented. We've already long reached "the point where we don't have to work for goods anymore". Agriculture in Western Culture accounts for maybe 3% of occupations. But we've come up with other ways to spend our time, our professional lives. How would explain your alter ego of 300 years ago the job you're maybe doing today, like e.g. sitting all day in front of crystal screens all day, to earn a living, instead of just letting the factory machines feed you? Your alter ego of the past must think you're crazy and insane to be doing this. What a non-corrupt economy should do indeed is to increase efficiency and drive prices down for every-day goods. It is happening, just slowly; someone on the dole today may already be "richer" than a king of a famine-struck land of the middle ages, but of course there is always a lot of corruption in the way due to middle-men sucking the lifeblood out of the economy and holding up artificial barriers to keep new disruptive ideas from entering the markets. But eventually things happen, just not as fast as they could be. So there will always open new fields of occupation, because humans' desires are endless, but we're also inventive, so there is always room for progress. Where are the flying cars we've been promised a few decades ago? Why aren't there colonies on the moon and Mars yet? When can I go spend my holidays on the Outer Rings of Saturn? I doubt a centralized managed planned economy can reach such goals faster and more definitely than a market economy; it's been tried many times already. In fact Chile's Allende already tried to implement an automated, cybernetic society in the 70ies, very akin to Venus Project ideas. Didn't work so well, and people rather chose to help themselves via black markets. |
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"Privatization" today rather means the state puts services they formerly managed into the hands of privileged monopolies, without lowering taxes... yup, it's practically fascism.
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Spain Privatizes The Sun: Issues Heavy Penalties For Collecting Sunlight SPAIN – If you get caught collecting photons of sunlight for your own use you can drop a fine not exceeding 30 million.  So if you were thinking that the best option was just to have some solar panels that were down 80% in cost and have the opportunity to disconnect from the mains and your bill scam, you can forget about it. With the terror of “destabilized” power consumption, sometime in 2010 someone has decided to privatize the sun …. yes you read that right: Spain, unlike the rest of Europe, levies a toll on electricity generated and injected to the line. Committing the sacrilege of being energy independent can be very expensive, and the sun now is only for the privileged few and the power companies. The ”Spanish Photovoltaic Union (UNEF ), which brings together some 300 companies representing 85% of the industry, ensures that these changes would be more expensive than resorting to conventional supply. ---from https://earthfirstnews.wordpress.com/2013/07/24/spain-privatizes-the-sun-issues-heavy-penalties-for-collecting-sunlight/ |
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Steuern sind Raub.
Sobald der Staat die simple Rolle des Eigentumsschützers
Wie soll der Staat dein Eigentum schützen ohne raubvoll eingetriebene Steuern? Entweder du bist Nachtwächterstaat-Kapitalist, oder du verzichtest auf formelle Eigentumsrechte und begreifst den wirklichen Anarchismus. |
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Ok I just want to point out I dont believe in the NWO crap however ...
Say there is a group that is smart enough, powerful enough, and influential enough to do the things people claim they do. Are you telling me they are not smart enough to to be able to create a digital currency that everyone would use? And not only that, but make you believe it was your idea in the first place, and that its completely safe from such control. Because if it were me, average joe, that's exactly what I would do. And im not any of those things listed above.
If such a group of people existed, they would be smart enough to realize a single fiat currency isnt a sustainable option if everyone is against it in the first place. Much less whole nations that cant even get fiat right. What already more interconnected internationally than the internet and P2P?
Bitcoin as an 1llum1n4t0rz' honeypot would be a far too over-architectured and convoluted maneuver, as crypto-currency protocols allow too many degrees of freedom, being not tied to identification requirements. The shadowmen could just have extended Facebook Credits and be done with it. Really, most people out there don't care about any degree of privacy as long as things are easy and shiny. No, it's rather that the cat is out of the bag, Pandora's box is open. Even if Bitcoin gets co-opted (like the blockchain being watched and regulated with everyone being required to register their Bitcoin addresses), the privacy-aware folks would just migrate to a fork, and history would merely be repeating itself. |
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i feel on 4chan/reddit there are many intelligent kids, they're just also cynical and let off steam.
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how much joule is an hour of programming?  |
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diesen sonntag schon?
ein aktives wochenende, du kommst aber auch nich zur ruhe wa
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Wie konnte es zu diesem Fall der Aktienkurse und damit auch der Gesellschaft kommen? Dies ist die Frage, die dieser Film beantworten will. nach all dem, was ich inzwischen jenseits des mainstreams gelernt hab, ist das bestimmt ein propagandafilm für den new deal und den heutigen monetarismus und das alles. in wirklichkeit kam der crash völlig konsequent nach den berühmten und heute immer noch glorreich besungenen goldenen 20ern, die natürlich lediglich eine blase waren; und jene epoche wiederum war ja nur wenige jahre nach der einführung der FED. aber darauf wird in dem film bestimmt nicht eingegangen. |
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"Social credit", "free money"... no, there is no free money.
Think money as "work time". The ideal form of money would be measured in time and/or energy.
So, basically you can't get another one's work time "for free".
Inflation, deflation, demurrage etc are merely (dangerous) tools to manipulate perception of the economy, and practically always will result in misallocations. It's all a great illusion to think you can fix the economy with monetary politics. If you look in the mirror and your hair are messed up, you wouldn't comb the mirror.
"Social credit" would macro-economically mean that everyone would own part of the means of production. May make sense in a highly automated world. But I'm afraid you'd have to ask the owner of the machines. Someone developed and built the machines.
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not TEDx? wow
ok, the message and purpose seems to be for corporations to look and learn; the idea of brands issuing their own currencies (promises/credit) is not new, but just how the hell can they make them as cool as Bitcoin?
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na schön, dann halt Mecklenburg-Vorpommern
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01337, Asgard, das wird schon so 'n fertiges Kaff in Sachsen oder Brandenburg sein, nich wahr
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löl, die Polizei hatte mich am Telefon tatsächlich gefragt, ob ich "das Geld" noch habe.
Nun ja, es handelt sich bei diesem Fall "nur" um die EUR ~1000, und am Bettelstock geh ich so und so nich, und krieg auch jeden Monat weit mehr als das regelmäßig rein.
Ich müsste also schon einen auf Pleitepenner machen, wenn ich "das Geld" nicht mehr haben soll.
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Well, the thing with privatization is that rarely do the taxes go down. In fact, most governments seem to slowly shed services and gradually increase taxes at the same time.
that's because of their debts, as said, but they don't even shed those, obviously  |
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