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Na koji način garantirate da će kupac dobiti ono što je kupio i što bi se dogodilo u slučaju da kupac ne dobije stvar koju je kupio?
Da li je netko već koristio ovo?
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trebali bi napraviti i grupu potpore za Avu Karabatić. Kad smo već kod Ave evo i njeno predizborno obećanje: "Sve ću vas zadovoljiti". Od svega što smo čuli od predsjedničkih kandidata ovo mi nekako djeluje najrealnije.  Rekao bih da je čak i to obećanje nerealno i da ga je nemoguće ispuniti  Onda bude dobra pr...  |
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Šta mislite, koja su vaša opredeljenja i gde radite, zašto ne radite?
Da li su samo kampanje mogu biti dodatan posao koji donosi vise novca?
Ako ćemo biti realni, ovo je sve što neki ljudi rade za život, dok je nekima ovo usputna zarada a opet ima nekih koji rade pa koriste ovo kao dodatnu zaradu koja nekima bude bolja nego "normalna". Što se tiče nekih poslova na forumu zapravo nema pravila, prodaja i usluge, samo trebaš ideju i znanje. Zbog novih strožijih sankcija teško je naći posao, da li se može to ispraviti kvalitetnijim radom na forumu, i dići do željenog cilja?
Radiš generalnu grešku zoveći ovo posao, ljudi ovdje to baš ne vole i prije će te svi staviti na ignore nego dati merit. Naravno, pitanje ti je istovremeno odgovor, piši kvalitetnije postove, dobit ćeš merite, podići rank i vjerovatno upasti u bolje kampanje. Neki na ovom forumu itekako dobro zarađuju za život, no to se odnosi na mali broj korisnika, koji su admini ili moderatori ili manageri signature kampanja, ili sudionici 2-3 top signature kampanje koje najviše plaćaju.
S obzirom na količinu alt accounta koji su nađeni, ne bih se skroz složio s ovim. |
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~ How about that.
Comments by five other Cryptotalk participants about Yobit: yobit is scammy, i will support this flagsadly i seem to have made my OWN flag on them by misclick instead  once i fix that, i will support YOUR flag lolz edit: ok, so you never made a flag it seems? im still learning this new system, i just saw "support flag of yobit for scamming" and tried to get in on that shit haha fail lol edit2: figured it out supported Joel's flag ~   |
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I'm not getting paid by either yobit or cryptotalk so don't understand where you assumption is coming from
I am not quite sure how I have seen cryptotalk's signature, it is probably because MFahad has cryptotalk's signature, and, while writing and editing post many times I simple forget that it was MFahad who wears it and you have wolfbet's one  Actually, the same question applies to some other users wearing cryptotalk's signature: ~
They will never give you a satisfactory response, or any response at all. And the delays are absolutely terrible as well. It's not just syscoin either, it's a whole lot of withdrawals that are being held up by their system. If you do get your money, please don't return to trading at yobit. It's a terrible exchange to use.
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My advice is to never go back to yobit to trade anything, it's too risky. Not even the tokens that are only listed on yobit itself.
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Avoid yobit, it's a terrible exchange with 0 customer support. But I think it's more than likely that you got hacked, even if you didn't, and it's as you said, an insider job, you have no proof so it's quite futile. Again, best thing is to not use Yobit altogether.
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And yes, stop using yobit. Yobit is one of the worst exchanges that have ever existed.
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Most people will see delays of up to months or even years before their customer support tickets are responded to. You just seem to be another victim of that. Consider this money gone for now, but keep following up with yobit until they respond. Also, learn the lesson and don't use yobit again, please.
Nobody should have trusted them in the first place. History have proven them to be untrustworthy. The only reason to use them would be to use their shady investment scheme, or to trade shitcoin that will probably rob you in the end anyways. And you're right, even if the deposit goes through successfully to yobit, there is every possibility that all of a sudden the coin you're holding goes into "maintenance", which means that you can't trade or withdraw it until they resolve that issue.
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and yeah yobit is a shit exchange and should not be trusted with even 0.1 ETH until unless it is bounty token that you are cashing out.
Yobit is a scam exchange in the first place, so their IEOs are not an exception. There are actually no IEO from any legitimate companies, these are just Yobit's creations.
What Yobit is doing in the name of IEOs is just running a ponzi scheme... In my word, they are just raping greedy investors.
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You can delete the other one and stick to this thread. However, we all know that Yobit now has a bad reputation so we better get rid of it. There are still lots of trusted exchanges to use so let's not risk our funds in Yobit.
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I have an account in there but I am not using it anymore because I am aware of its bad customer service and I don't want to be one of their many victims.
Yobit's have plenty of bad records recently therefore it is very risky if you are going to use and trust this kind of exchange.
As an investor, you already know the risk that you are going to face if you are going to invest for something. And for the investors EGOLD ICO, it's better that you will safely exit now and avoid Yobit's exchange or it's projects anymore.
This person even claims they are victim: Yobit scamming is not a new thing.Theyve been doing this for a very long time,back then they say yobit was good but not anymore,and im a victim of that.So you guys better stay away from yobit and just go on trade on the most popular exchanges out there,those exchanges who really has high volume in trades
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Pending deposits/Pending withdrawals, not to mention the fact that they're unlicensed and offer a ponzi like investment scheme (investbox). It's good that you've made the move away from yobit, and I urge everyone to stop using it. Get your money out when you can.
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and stay away with this kind of exchange.
Yobit,HitBtc,Poloniex and many more.
they're trash and did a shitty thing behind their costumer many times.
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You feel sorry for the traders suffering from Yobit's scummy behavior? I honestly don't. There is so much going on with that exchange and a couple more in the same category, that you can't miss all the complaints.
People have no right to complain if they haven't performed any prior research. What's even more pathetic is that there are people knowing what's going on with Yobit, but they ignore everything and make use of it anyway.
In that case I actually doubt whether or not these people are mentally retarded. How can anyone knowingly put money in a scumhole that is likely going to result in nothing but problems? It's a pure form of insanity.
Research comes first, usage later, and not vice versa.
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Was KYC mandatory before october 1st? If yes then how were they able to operate if they are obligated to follow EU law? If no then when was it ? Unless AML laws were enforced on October first then I see no justification to what they did and how they did it.
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If the exchange is located in EU zone, how were they able to operate for 2 years without compliance to EU AML laws and had no issue, i am sure EU law enforcement don't need 2 years to spot an exchange like this one, AML/KYC have been there long before 2017, unless the law in EU is optional and you can follow it whenever you feel like it
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-may-still-bring-dirty-money-case-against-denmark-estonia/if they are not obligated to follow EU laws then where did all this KYC shit come from?? The 5th Anti-Money Laundering Directive, which amends the 4th Anti-Money Laundering Directive was published in the Official Journal of the European Union on 19 June 2018. The Member States must transpose this Directive by 10 January 2020. https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/criminal-justice/anti-money-laundering-and-counter-terrorist-financing_enYou see, one does not have to break the law of a certain country to be considered a scammer, if that is the case then we probably should hire an international lawyer for this section of the forum before calling anyone a scammer.
Quite different from topic. To me, those two words in bold are good enough to create a flag against them, I will not be convinced by any law backed facts that justify whatever those scammers did, and to make the discussion of this topic a little bit more convenient for everyone let's just assume that crypto-bridge have not broken a single law on planet earth, yet , that does not change the fact that they deserve to be flagged and I personally wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.
if the above theory is incorrect, then I will keep my negative feedback and probably create a flag against them. Many things remained unclear...I am still not sure what to think about whole situation except it was a dick move. |
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No, they don't, especially when the contract clearly says it can change at any time. Legally, I even believe that the announcement is not mandatory.
That is not true, you can't possibly change the terms without the other party agreeing to the "new" amendments/changes , the term "“We Can Change These Terms at Anytime" only declares that they are not obligated to stick to the agreement "forever", it means exactly that, nothing more nothing less. You are very wrong. We are talking about AML and CTF laws here, so they really can change this at any time they like, and, You are right, but I am not wrong ,you kind of misquoted my reply to LeGaulois's sentence where he stated What I have misquoted, as I can see LeGaulois agreed with me and you disagreed and then I disagreed with you. non of the two dates mentioned above is 1st Oct 2019. Irrelevant. They can enforce KYC whenever they want. It is a law FFS. But wait , it's very likely that they "where able" to inform their clients but they chose not to Which is also irrelevant. They can but they are not obligated to do so. Crypto-bridge does not answer to any authority Provide proofs. "well they run for years without complying to it anyway" Many services ran for years without conducting KYC, because it wasn't written in law that they should conduct KYC. Remember all anonymous VISA cards? Or was it mastercard  Law has changed during past few years.
and they faked this whole thing in an attempt to steal clients funds who refuse to submit their personal documents (probably plenty of them), so this could be more or less like a scam under the protection of the law Yes, it could be. Do you have proofs for this statement? My conclusion : Crypto-bridge did not break any law by enforcing KYC , but they directly or indirectly scammed clients by "suddenly pretending" to comply to a law they operated without for 2 years Cmon, proofs. Law has changed, KYC wasn't mandatory 2 years ago in many countries, now it is. Side note - I am not shilling for them, I want to see more proofs than conversation in reputation. |
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You can definitely report Doxxing information outside of the investigation section. It'll be removed.
What if someone shared their personal information on this forum? For example, bounty hunter share facebook and someone use that info outside investigation board? That isn't really doxx as info is already shared. |
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I'm reasonable and would like to hear the community's opinion on this.
I "know" lutpin for last 3 years and I would trust him with my funds more than I would trust some other user with "higher" reputation (trust comes with signed message, of course ) So, if all participants have been payed (even with delay because of lutpin's laziness or maybe some off forum problems), negative should be revised to neutral. I just don't see Lutpin as someone who can scam, his moral standards are very high. |
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is it allowed to neg tag people who doxxing private info out of "Investigations" board, eh?
Yes, you are pretty much allowed to tag anyone you like, for every reason you like Linked person have taken provate info from Facebook link which were provided publicly by owner. Unethical of course, but not enough for neg tag for sure.
If it is publicly shared on this forum then it is not doxx.. Honestly, that picture looks so photoshopped:  |
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I am really having hard time to understand this topic and posts within it. Are we talking about law or justice? I am not a lawyer, but I would like to know more from someone who understands EU AML laws better , to me , the only way for crypto-bridge not to be held responsible is the fact that law enforcement got their hands on their system and forced them to active KYC before giving their clients any chance to act, in other words crypto-bridge was forced to "surprise" it's client.
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No, they don't, especially when the contract clearly says it can change at any time. Legally, I even believe that the announcement is not mandatory.
That is not true, you can't possibly change the terms without the other party agreeing to the "new" amendments/changes , the term "“We Can Change These Terms at Anytime" only declares that they are not obligated to stick to the agreement "forever", it means exactly that, nothing more nothing less. You are very wrong. We are talking about AML and CTF laws here, so they really can change this at any time they like, and, judging my country laws, this will be mandatory from 1. 1. 2020. for all "money" related services, and this action will take its place without prior notice, no one can say "I didn't know what is in laws" because authorities don't really care if you are not aware of laws. Besides, they can really say " everyone in our exchange is under suspicion that they deposited funds which came from suspicious sources therefore we will conduct KYC to everyone" and they are pretty much allowed to conduct KYC before releasing funds.. I really do not know why you all debating what they have to do or they can do, THEY ARE NOT A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION, THEY ARE NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY FINANCIAL ENTITY, so what they need to do is let people choose if they want to comply with KYC or not, if not they have to be invited to withdraw their funds and terminate their account.
Exchange is financial institution. Please read everything which is in link I posted just few posts before this one, you will get clear picture of everything. Anyhow, they deal with money, they are in the EU, they must go through all the KYC/AML stuff.
Actually, I would be far more concern with a company that claims to be run from the EU and does not require it, they would either be scammers or they would be shut down in a matter of months.
That is partially true information, which will become, as I am aware of it, true information at 2020( for some countries at least). Just for example, in my country, which is in EU, you can do money related business up to 7500 kuna which is cca 1050€ without doing KYC, any other "deal" you make above this amount, well, you will have to go trough KYC procedure. And, you won't be able to deposit funds on some bookies without going "full" KYC while some other bookies will ask you partially private information only on withdrawal and when you go to cash out funds in their "brick and mortar" "office" they even won't ask you for ID's. How about that?
I just want to say, I am not defending anyone here, I hate KYC as much as you all do, I hate some laws as much as you all do( FFS my authorities said if I will buy something with BTC, I will have to calculate and pay capital gain taxes for every single shit I bought with BTC  ), I am just saying no one is above authorities and laws. Please don't mix your personal feelings and laws. Things which we consider wrong here doesn't mean they are wrong by law, although some should be, unfortunately, law is above us all
What if they change the agreement to say that you owe them your firstborn. Still fair?
Some things don't have any legal background, so if any service change terms to this it just can't and wont be enforced. KYC because of AML is something completely different, and it can be enforced at any time. |
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Sure, but the first inclination the exchange had that KYC for all customers was coming was not a letter which said "Implement KYC today or we will shut you down". There will have been communication prior to this, and any reputable exchange would have taken this opportunity to inform their customers of upcoming changes, especially since their own legalese says they are obligated to do so.
Informing customers before taking action is right thing to do, however, I don't think they have to do it. For example, you can go to police and say "they won't give me my money back, they ask me to give them my ID and they never asked this before", well how will this sound? Police will probably say "do AML procedure and if they don't give you your money then come to us". I don't think law which could make exchange to not perform KYC exist, keeping their customers informed about new regulations or not. This was always "double edged sword" in this space. I might be wrong, but I am at least 90% sure they don't have to inform anyone about this change in advance. From my understanding and personal research, its understandable to comply with KYC whenever you deal with USD, EUR, etc. (bank transfers)
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Is yobit a shady exchanges, yes
Why do you think yobit is shady exchange? From the look of things, it seems the only associated between the two projects is that cryptotalk is using Yobit panel as a management platform.
From the look of things, it seems cryptotalk is yobit's forum. Do you think your opinion is right and my is wrong , and I think you are receiving money from something you just called shady and you think you are not receiving money from them, even thought you are? It is all part of marketing, everyone talks about yobit, when you see cryptotalk, you think of yobit, when 400 users joined signature campaign they joined yobit, when users at cryptotalk get their payed-to-post rewards, where they will receive them? When CH started this thread, she didn't mention yobit, yahoo or cryptotalk - you came to this conclusion by yourself, and you started " yobit this, cryptotalk that, yahoo this". Mission accomplished, as I said, it is all part of marketing. Tell me, why would this cryptotalk promoter complain about yobit in cryptotalk-signature-campaign thread: I just want to tell my fellow Signature participants that withdrawing with XRP in the yobit exchange is somewhat congested, I don't know why. so, for the meanwhile, you can choose other altcoins if you don't like withdrawing using bitcoin, cause my XRP withdraw is delayed for 1 hour now. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg52627975#msg52627975To be honest, reading some posts in signature thread, I am under impression that cryptotalk participants believe this is yobit's campaign for forum, not forum's campaign with payment trough yobit: does anyone know when this signature campaign will end? or how many btc will be distributed to the participants of this yobit bounty? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg52602570#msg52602570Only Yobit knows and come to think the number of participants at the moment will picture out on how big is their budget for this one but i wont say it that it would last for long. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg52603395#msg52603395I believe this campaign is an opportunity for both Yobit to improve its reputation and establish itself as a more serious exchange, [...] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188047.msg52614520#msg52614520Who will be scammed by this campaign ? when anyone on the forum click on the signature, it will take them to https://cryptotalk.org which is a forum and no one is getting scam by visiting or signup that forum. [...] Again no one is promoting Yobit in their signatures. Unless you see a link of yobit, its just useless to keep pressing on this point. Well, yes, you get it right, no one promotes exchange in signature |
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Saw this on Twitter yesterday. Definitely a dick move, wondering if anyone will take legal actions.
That would be interesting to watch: " Your Honer, they don't want to give me my money unless I send them my personal information which they are asking because authorities told them so". Legal action would make sense if someone send them ID and then they decide not to send funds. I am not a lawyer, but I would like to know more from someone who understands EU AML laws better , to me , the only way for crypto-bridge not to be held responsible is the fact that law enforcement got their hands on their system and forced them to active KYC before giving their clients any chance to act, in other words crypto-bridge was forced to "surprise" it's client.
if the above theory is incorrect, then I will keep my negative feedback and probably create a flag against them.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/policies/justice-and-fundamental-rights/criminal-justice/anti-money-laundering-and-counter-terrorist-financing_en It's not that that they are or not allowed to do this, it seems it will (or is) become mandatory for all financial institutions and other money related businesses, so doing KYC procedure to everyone, even if it is conducted without prior notice, seems to be by the law. Having said that, doing KYC without prior notice is pretty much, as TheNewAnon135246 said, dick move. |
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In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.
First of all that is not correct information and second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam. What is not correct? Please, read more attentively my post.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134358.0. I understand that you need to make your weekly post count, but this doesn't mean that you can spam here with nonsense.
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In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.
First of all that is not correct information and second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam. So, pump and dump is fraud, ponzi is fraud and people do lose money, but this is not important because you: don't fucking care if something is "against the law" |
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Double Standard?
No, not at all, it is all in your head. Yahoo would never help promote service which is setting one ponzi ICO after another, people would never defend someone who is promoting service marked as pump-and-dump scheme, all scam accusations against them are just part of your imagination, besides, good manager can make all bad things to go away, because they are not that bad. Eventually, you will have bitcointalk forum filled with people who will say this or this: I received an email that they are going to do IEO, this is not good and not recommended for traders, we all know it's reputation they are ban in this forum, they are the exchange that has the most number of traders that scammed traders, who know you will become its next victim, because they are very notorious.
...and at the same time they won't have any problem to receive payouts from them, well, maybe that payout came, as coin-investor said, from "most number of traders that scammed traders", or maybe just from IEO which is "not good and not recommended", or maybe just from market manipulation, like magneto said. But that is ok, as long as manager keeps this forum spam free |
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You are pretending that you don't know but you know because you raised funds and already went back to 2009. and bought and sent bitcoins to younger you and instructed him to create ICO in 2019. so he can go back to 2009. and give money to younger him.
Problem is, you have bitcoins but you still have to do ICO because if you don't do ICO, you won't be able to create time machine and to go back to 2009. to purchase bitcoins and give them to younger you.
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