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161  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEM] NEMstake tokens are listed on Nxt asset exchange on: May 29, 2014, 03:45:04 PM
Appleanimal

only if you want to hold or trade your nem stake on the AE.. (its safer)

if you do want to trade.. the consensus is not to sell under 100k nxt per stake! Wink

bu if i dont sent it now i will lost my share?

No you will receive NEM in the official launch in that case.
162  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 29, 2014, 03:01:57 PM
http://cointelegraph.com/news/111528/us_mint_promotes_bitcoin Crypto currency going to the next level.

We are going to be done with banking system as it is in the next 10 years. Keeping pushing ahead Nemsters.
163  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 29, 2014, 09:27:57 AM
Since I find the information in the NEM Development contract and summary a bit hard to read and make sense of in the presented form, here is all that information presented in a simple way so everyone can find and read it.
Landmark work. nem entered a rapid development stage.

@xtester great. stamp a logo in and it probably will work as an investor handout as well.
164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 29, 2014, 05:23:15 AM
I have a few comments about marketing issue.

1. Do not forget our root in equality, solidarity and grassroots contribution.

2. The core team is not community's centralized marketing powerhouse. We are unlikely to do much marketing except some very important ones at our discreation. In general don't expect the core team being  your representative.

3. The majority of NEM belongs to stakeholders and community. If you have a brilliant marketing idea, persuade the community. Given how NEM allocation is very equal, you don't need to persuade any whale at all but the agreement of the community.

4. Let's practice (3) with the idea of hiring a professional marketing manager. If you think it is the best for NEM, persuade the community and raise a fund to do so. If the communty thinks that is a good idea and spend 10% of their stake to support it you will have no problem of hiring a world class marketer.

165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEM] NEMstake tokens are listed on Nxt asset exchange on: May 29, 2014, 01:27:12 AM
Sent you a PM on 5/21 about having my stake sent via Nxt AE but don't see my name on the list yet. Just want to make sure you got it.

Thanks.

sorry that I could have missed your pm. Could you send one to me again ? thanks.
166  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEM] NEMstake tokens are listed on Nxt asset exchange on: May 29, 2014, 01:26:29 AM
ISSUING TIME: 5/30/2014 at 0.00 GMT or 7.00 A.M EST

less than 24 hours  Grin

Sorry I messed up about the time. It should be 12.00 GMT = 7.00 a.m EST. It should be this way. Wonder why no one saw the mismatch  Huh
167  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 08:38:14 PM
Is NEM going to have anonymous transactions?

as far as I can tell probably not in V1 blockchain. (devs including me, are mostly against it).

Non-core "private" transaction mode is possible. It is probably not wise to have anything that risk NEM getting banned by some governments in the core protocol.  
168  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 08:16:12 PM
@gimre

thanks allot for that.. this will come in very handy

one question though!
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can i get a somewhat detailed idea of whats been happening behind the scenes for testing?
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10 compiling
20 testing
30 fixing
40 goto 10

im guessing a unit test is just another way of saying a test run of a program?

any info on a ball park figure i can use as total amount of devs? including core devs, marketing, UI, graphics designers ect ect..

are these percentages of what amount of work/time that is being put into each?
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Language                     files          blank        comment           code
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Java                           207           2744           5448           9222 // NIS code
Java                            45            752           1020           283  // NCC code
Java                           179           5036           4729          15544 // unit tests
Java                             9            287            281           1111 // integration tests

whats the difference between unit tests and integration tests?

does anyone know when the actual coding of nem started? when the first line was written? and when the idea of creating nem came around?

can someone remind me what NIC and NCC stand for? Roll Eyes

how often do new developers join nem?

did nem start with one person and then grow or did it start out with a small group?

il leave it at that for now.. got painting to do lol

i apologise for asking so many questions but il need this info in the near future! Smiley


Did you read NEM dev. contract and particularly NEM summary https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A9p6QZcUoDvezVMUsp2kYaF8g_jTNPFPL5e3Tli-jaI/edit#gid=2136040793

Because I put it there for your information and you should read it plus read all the out links in the document. All answers to your questions are there. Here are the pointers:

Read NEM timeline tab to see what to expect on the product launch. What are not written there, the core dev. can't answer here neither.

It is well known but read Community distribution tab to see how NEM inital fundraising went and what kind of stakeholder population we have.

Read Technical update to see big milestone technical update. The first development plan were authored by Jaguar and contributed by all core team. It was published on 2/9/2013 and we brainstormed for about 3-4 weeks before that. That's when you can say NEM started.

Read organization tab and also "letter of invitation" to know what kind of people we have.

AFTER reading all of these, please read the dev. contract again particular no. 4  

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19so-Jy3Gqw2KltZP-gaw3oFaHliN0OdtwZktOP4pCOQ/edit

4. The information in NEM summary should be self-sustained. The development team is under no obligation to provide extra information such as an exact release date of the software, team member personal information etc.

if yours questions belong to Extra information category then please don't insist.
169  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 05:28:01 PM
i dont mean to burst everyones bubble, but i really dont like misunderstandings.
The ones here that are doing the marketing, please give me an honest answer to this:
 
What are you marketing ?
What are you marketing it as?

Nem is nothing but an awesome idea so far, at a pre-alpha stage.
How are you marketing something that has no features so far, no code published, no client and no launch?

i'm honestly curious to hear what people are saying to others in regard to a product that has not launched yet,
this is not a trolling attempt, so please lets all have a serious discussion.


I am curious also.

Before a product is a community. Before a community is an idea. There is a plenty of thing to talk if someone is willing to Cheesy

Too much talking going on here...blablabla....blablabla
Shall I tell you why I think this coin is gonna fail just like Nxt?
It is too complicated and too technical for normal people to understand what you guys are talking about.

Why is it too complicated and too technical ? we don't even have an alpha yet.

EXACTLY WHICH IS WHY IT IS A RESOUNDING FAIL!!!!

Thank you for your opinion. Now please go back to where you come from.
170  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 05:15:56 PM
i dont mean to burst everyones bubble, but i really dont like misunderstandings.
The ones here that are doing the marketing, please give me an honest answer to this:
 
What are you marketing ?
What are you marketing it as?

Nem is nothing but an awesome idea so far, at a pre-alpha stage.
How are you marketing something that has no features so far, no code published, no client and no launch?

i'm honestly curious to hear what people are saying to others in regard to a product that has not launched yet,
this is not a trolling attempt, so please lets all have a serious discussion.


I am curious also.

Before a product is a community. Before a community is an idea. There is a plenty of thing to talk if someone is willing to Cheesy

Too much talking going on here...blablabla....blablabla
Shall I tell you why I think this coin is gonna fail just like Nxt?
It is too complicated and too technical for normal people to understand what you guys are talking about.

Why is it too complicated and too technical ? we don't even have an alpha yet.
171  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 05:07:07 PM
i dont mean to burst everyones bubble, but i really dont like misunderstandings.
The ones here that are doing the marketing, please give me an honest answer to this:
 
What are you marketing ?
What are you marketing it as?

Nem is nothing but an awesome idea so far, at a pre-alpha stage.
How are you marketing something that has no features so far, no code published, no client and no launch?

i'm honestly curious to hear what people are saying to others in regard to a product that has not launched yet,
this is not a trolling attempt, so please lets all have a serious discussion.


I am curious also.

Before a product is a community. Before a community is an idea. There is a plenty of thing to talk if someone is willing to Cheesy

Add: please dont market the produce until we have open Alpha.
172  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEM] Refund request, change account request, and other complaint thread on: May 28, 2014, 03:52:36 PM
Hi,my account named "beauty" was banned by BTT,and I hope to put the old account "beauty" shares transferred to my new account "beautysunshine".


I have sent 1 NXT to the former IPO account"14343293611098709683" again,and Transaction ID:  4312422701433290928


The old account:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.1400

thanks a lot!

Could you use the proper form ?

1. What is your post in the registration thread (post the link) ?

2. Proof of owning the sending address such as a signed message from the sending address

3. new account wants to be changed to (if left blank the requester account will be default new account)

4. 0.01 btc fee transaction ID

Also it is not for free anymore since it does take times from a developer to check hash id, document work etc.

@pat please check that two sending addresses are the same.
173  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 12:16:01 PM
Just release the coin and the market will dictate what its worth. Yeah we can market the shit out of NEM, but if you really want to get down to it, that's really for personal profit.  A coin should speak for itself, just look as Qora for example, no marketing, no website and its on the top 10 market cap.

Just a nice info video that is pleasant to watch would be great, as you can direct your friends to that video and they should get it straight away. Something clean and simple.

I hate marketing and people in that industry, it really is the epitome of the worst aspects of capitalism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo

I like Bill Hicks. We can join force and do some meaningful projects. General marketing probably won't help much.
174  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 03:27:39 AM

I should add some information about the bounty. Professional investor handout should look like this

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mnuhs0aklr1l6wl/Blackcoin%20Meet%20Black%20April%2020%202014.pdf

That is for blackcoin twenty pages + something. We don't need to go that long 4 pages + 1 cover is fine but should include ALL important information in NEM summary. Community distribution should be mentioned. 1 person/ 1 share is kind of unique and a very board base of stakeholders should be mentioned too. Read the letter to waiting list. Some ideas there should be included: vision, commitment, people etc. doesn't need to go into too much technical details except mentioning new innovations. In short, read all information in NEM summary and transform it into a coherent story with an attractive design.

It is not an easy job so bounty could be up to 1btc (or 1 dev. stake if choose that way). I probably need to see a draft before agree on a person taking the bounty, or at least what kind of works have been done by the bounty hunter. Feel free to chat with me if you want more story.  


Ideally we'd have an official logo to be able to create something which looks professional. There's little than can be done from a design veiwpoint when there is not logo or brand to play around with. Aside from a handful of nicely-made infographics and charts, it's not going to be great to look at.

Is this fair to say? Agree/disagree?

We do have some decent logos from loitran, Gvan, etc. not world class but usable I think. Take a look at 2 packages of logo in the NEM summary.
175  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 02:58:59 AM
I would like to set a bounty for making an investor's handout based on the information in NEM summary

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A9p6QZcUoDvezVMUsp2kYaF8g_jTNPFPL5e3Tli-jaI/edit#gid=0

The handout should be professionally done 3-4 pages long. Is 0.5 BTC good enough ? Who want to do it ? it should be done within 1 week. I am available for a chat if more information is needed.

Where should I post this to get more attention ?

Has anybody claimed the bounty yet?

I should add some information about the bounty. Professional investor handout should look like this

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mnuhs0aklr1l6wl/Blackcoin%20Meet%20Black%20April%2020%202014.pdf

That is for blackcoin twenty pages + something. We don't need to go that long 4 pages + 1 cover is fine but should include ALL important information in NEM summary. Community distribution should be mentioned. 1 person/ 1 share is kind of unique and a very board base of stakeholders should be mentioned too. Read the letter to waiting list. Some ideas there should be included: vision, commitment, people etc. doesn't need to go into too much technical details except mentioning new innovations. In short, read all information in NEM summary and transform it into a coherent story with an attractive design.

It is not an easy job so bounty could be up to 1btc (or 1 dev. stake if choose that way). I probably need to see a draft before agree on a person taking the bounty, or at least what kind of works have been done by the bounty hunter. Feel free to chat with me if you want more story.  


A friend is working on a handout and I am guiding him. I'll probably edit his text some and he's using some photos I took.

He's not a stakeholder (didn't have money to buy in), but he is a pretty good programmer (I've worked with him before in person) and it would be good to have him involved in NEM ecosystem stuff once he gets some time (he's busy trying to graduate). I think we can probably put something together that will be good.

I'll try to get him to post here once he gets something done. He already sent me a couple of drafts.

Great Makoto. We will need something more professional looking than the example he sent me though. I attached the Blackcoin handout here as an example.

We need all good programmers (there will be a plenty of future opportunities). But it might be awkward to put programmers to do works of designers and vice versa.
176  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEM] NEMstake tokens are listed on Nxt asset exchange on: May 28, 2014, 02:52:24 AM
I am interested in a nemstake please add my name in the list already sent you a private message

Will update tomorrow. no need to rush.
177  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 02:47:38 AM
NEM community:

I would like to unofficially nominate user kodtycoon as a NEM ambassador to the Nxt community.

He is an investor in both communities and knows the ecosystems. He is driven, and his enthusiasm would serve the NEM community very well to our cousins on the other side of the crypto fence. Kodtycoon (aka ForrestGump at the Nxt forum) is respected member of the Nxt community and would serve as a fine liaison. Over the months, he will develop a natural cross-community outreach as more NEM features are released.

As part of this nomination, I'd like to pledge 10% (100,000) of my stake and would hope to have a minimum of 9 other users match this pledge, so Kodtycoon could receive an additional full stake to serve as an ambassador. Hopefully, it would not be that much extra work for UP and his team to issue .9 stakes to the 10 (or more) people who would pledge.

What do you all think of this proposal? This will be completely user funded, with no community funds to be used or expectations to be set. He will act as an autonomous free agent (a role he's already fulfilling quite well).

Please see my proposal to kodtycoon over at the NEM Asset Exchange thread at the nxt forums.

Thanks!

We do have some dev. shares in promotion category to all helpers. So finger crossed. For private donation, I certainly support it and in fact there is a very convenient way for all donors to do so. I guess most NEM stakeholders who support the cause of NEM-Nxt liaison also request a NEMstake token, so if you support Kodtycoon you could send 1/10 of the token directly to him.  
178  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 02:39:22 AM
I'm excited about all the good news.

Lets just send a copy of our logo over to 99 designs.

For $250 (.5 BTC) we would have many great choices to choose from!!


Thoughts?

Funding is coming. We should pay a bit more than the minimum though.
179  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: May 28, 2014, 02:35:40 AM
I would like to set a bounty for making an investor's handout based on the information in NEM summary

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A9p6QZcUoDvezVMUsp2kYaF8g_jTNPFPL5e3Tli-jaI/edit#gid=0

The handout should be professionally done 3-4 pages long. Is 0.5 BTC good enough ? Who want to do it ? it should be done within 1 week. I am available for a chat if more information is needed.

Where should I post this to get more attention ?

Has anybody claimed the bounty yet?

I should add some information about the bounty. Professional investor handout should look like this

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mnuhs0aklr1l6wl/Blackcoin%20Meet%20Black%20April%2020%202014.pdf

That is for blackcoin twenty pages + something. We don't need to go that long 4 pages + 1 cover is fine but should include ALL important information in NEM summary. Community distribution should be mentioned. 1 person/ 1 share is kind of unique and a very board base of stakeholders should be mentioned too. Read the letter to waiting list. Some ideas there should be included: vision, commitment, people etc. doesn't need to go into too much technical details except mentioning new innovations. In short, read all information in NEM summary and transform it into a coherent story with an attractive design.

It is not an easy job so bounty could be up to 1btc (or 1 dev. stake if choose that way). I probably need to see a draft before agree on a person taking the bounty, or at least what kind of works have been done by the bounty hunter. Feel free to chat with me if you want more story.  
180  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NEM] NEMstake tokens are listed on Nxt asset exchange on: May 27, 2014, 02:34:28 PM
Thanks everyone for your patience. New issuing date is 5/30 at the same time 0.00 GMT or 7.00 A.M EST.

Note: a new conversion condition has been added to the conversion rules.

9. Additional conversion condition: A maximum of 2 NEMstake tokens will be allowed to convert to NEM per one NXT account (with one unique NEM receiving account). That means if one account sends more than 2 NEMstake tokens back to the issuer account for NEM, he will receive the cap for that account of 2 million NEM. This hopefully will partly discourage an early concentration of NEM in a few accounts.

Thanks for all your support.

So for my understanding...
If I ordered the token, I have to send it back to get my coins.
So if I got my token, I can buy 1 additional stake
If I didnīt ordered the token, I can buy 2 stakes

Is that right?

You can buy as many as you want but a cap of 2 million NEM (2 tokens) will be put on each account converting back to NEM. Explanation: if one account buys 40 NEMstake tokens then this amount has to be broken in to 20 separate accounts during the conversion process in both sending tokens and receiving NEM back. This will increase the conversion cost and management cost and hopefully put a dampener in the desire to have a lot of NEMtoken.   
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