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761  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: February 16, 2014, 10:19:22 PM
Since some people are confused about their status, I wrote a detail description about stakeholder list making process here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450200.msg5186684#msg5186684
762  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] ---NEM stake complaint, questions etc.--- on: February 16, 2014, 10:11:33 PM
Following is the protocol I use to make up the stakeholder list from the information in the registration thread:

1. considering every posts in registration thread in an order

2. check if a post satisfying the fee or promotion condition in that page. All valid accounts start with Y condition.

3. if the account sent a fee in, I check the transaction hash in block explorer for valid transaction and add the hash in a separate column. Invalid hashes are noted "bogus transaction" next to the accounts and change condition to blank.

4. After finishing the list for that update (10 pages). The list is sorted by transaction hashes.

5. Checking for duplicate hashes. If two accounts have the same hash, then one will be legitimate and the other is a stolen hash fraudster. A prioritization protocol is followed: if 1. veteran account vs new account then veteran account is considered legitimate and is noted with "duplicate hash"  and new account's condition changes to blank and is noted with "possible duplicate hash fraudster" ; 2. new account vs new account then the account posted the hash first is considered legitimate and is noted with "duplicate hash"  and the other account's condition changes to blank and is noted with "possible duplicate hash fraudster". All these labels will be reversed when the accounts with ""possible duplicate hash fraudster" label can provide the ultimate proof of owning the transaction hash by sending a very small amount from the same sending address of the duplicate transaction to the NEM address and notifying the public here. So the "burden of proof" falls into the accounts with blank condition and label "possible duplicate hash fraudster" but that does not mean they are proven duplicate hash fraudsters

6. After a period of of public reviewing. All cases of duplicate hashes could be solved following the above protocol.

I started following this duplicate hash checking protocol after page 30 and few cases of duplicate hashes are spotted after that. Kooream has been starting to apply the same protocol back to thread 1 to weed out all the fraudsters.

I hope this explains clearly the process I has been following and you should get the same results from the registration threads too if you do the same thing. I said the registration thread is the original list of stakeholder for that reason - anyone can construct the stakeholder list from these raw materials.

We will do another check for duplicate hash for the whole list when the fundraising is over. Ultimately, no case of duplicate should remain ambiguous following this protocol.

However, it will take sometimes so please be patient.

Why do I only update the list every 10 pages? because the fee changes every 10 pages therefore stolen hash fraudsters can only steal hashes from this range, that makes checking much easier.
    
763  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: February 16, 2014, 05:53:47 PM
I want to donate for these project, so I spent 200 NXT from 12562751393704227946 to 14343293611098709683, transaction id: 10346565387935796578.
It's not my intention to present myself by posting this, all I want is to may animate some others to help with us to build up this New Economy Movement together!
Also I know it's not much at all (for me it is) at this moment; but up to all these new clients, the building up of an decentralized exchange skrypting, etc. I'm sure it will be worth twice that, till April.
Go ahead! Maybe you don't have the skills for programming, to support this project but may you have the coins to build up the infrastructure, who hopefully helps our whole community in the end!
Every single donation will help us all, that's what I want to say.
So go for it! - And in the end, tomorrow you'll earn the payout for the seem you strew today!
Thanks to all of you, let's build up a better tomorrow - Together!


Thank you. This will be a great community driven by a positive attitude and generosity.
764  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: February 16, 2014, 05:51:52 PM
lol all those fake last min. accounts are hilarious.  Well congrats to all those who made 2-5 times buy ins in the last days!

You should engage them in the introduction thread then you can know if they are real or fake accounts. Many new accounts are friends of earlier NEM participants. Doing so smaller groups can be formed within a bigger group/ community. That's a powerful force to push things forward.
I received a lot of PM these days and there is no denying that NEM attracting many new people.

Im sure some of them are real but the problem is you can never really know.  So I guess you just have to rely on people being honest, the problem with that is honesty is not so common.

while some earlier entrants can causally posted "interested" and get in. Late entrant and new to the forum has to go through quite a few processes that takes times and effort and they still need to send money in. So the plan does not just rely on people being honest but also rely on people being passionate about the project.
765  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: February 16, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
lol all those fake last min. accounts are hilarious.  Well congrats to all those who made 2-5 times buy ins in the last days!

You should engage them in the introduction thread then you can know if they are real or fake accounts. Many new accounts are friends of earlier NEM participants. Doing so smaller groups can be formed within a bigger group/ community. That's a powerful force to push things forward.
I received a lot of PM these days and there is no denying that NEM attracting many new people.
766  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: February 16, 2014, 11:51:25 AM
POS / PON or POI forging will be use? I prefer POS / PON. But perhaps there are more arguments for POI ?

Our new P-O-I is a new innovative way of forging which I believe will make NEM a more sustainable system. Makoto is writing the white paper and when all the theoretical aspects are considered we will implement it in the core codes.
767  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] ---NEM stake complaint, questions etc.--- on: February 16, 2014, 02:57:20 AM
Hi there, I just noticed that my transaction on thread one was put down as" bogus". The reason I have taken so long to get back to you is because I saw a tick at my name - number 1403     (although you now have a no.1726 on this latest thread) and I thought everything was ok.

I have checked it and have realised that I made a mistake and put down down 'YOUR' NXT address instead of the transaction number.

Here is the proper transaction number    ------   8251396164085517925

    
TRANSACTION    :   8251396164085517925
» Timestamp    :   29.01.2014 17:05:39
» Block    :   14610935024728035518
» Amount    :   300
» Fee    :   1
» Confirmations    :   13761
» Deadline    :   1440
» Sender    :   13047947996864699800
» Recipient    :   14343293611098709683              treviso32
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Re: [ANN] NEM : Descendant of NXT - 4 billion coins - Equal Shares for ALL

January 29, 2014, 06:38:28 PM

Delete message  #1726
 

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interested 300 nxt have been sent. id 14343293611098709683                --------SORRY ABOUT THIS INCONVENIANCE BUT i DID PAY----------

I see no problem with you in the list  1403   treviso32   Y Kooream has probably corrected it.
768  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] ---NEM stake complaint, questions etc.--- on: February 16, 2014, 02:52:28 AM
Hello I see that a fraudster has duplicated my hash.

I am on the list
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgHJzpkvTvCxdFFvQ0pLRmNsbWM5ekNxY3lmcHdWa1E&richtext=true#gid=0 item 1137

That was indeed from my nxt account and this is the transaction
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=16680630385812236817

You are safe. Condition Y means you are fine and is being considered the owner of the transaction. The note " duplicate hash" means your transaction was used by someone else but the burden of proof falls on that other person.
769  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] ---NEM stake complaint, questions etc.--- on: February 16, 2014, 02:49:02 AM
hi, I did send 702 NXT from my personal wallet to 14343293611098709683, two days ago. My name is still  not in the list, I did post in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=440185.msg5132328#msg5132328 and I am a legitimate member of the forum, with no other accounts.

transaction ID: 1590223039962003450

regards..

just update the list to page 80. It is normal to update every 10 pages. Thanks.
770  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] ---NEM stake complaint, questions etc.--- on: February 16, 2014, 02:48:26 AM
Hi ,

I would like to know the status of my girlfriends share that I booked for her a while ago under my username. I can see that in the list of shareholders next to my name it says  "Y" and "duplicate hash". Also in the Hash Check GGSS I can see that another user (lemonjuice1972) has the same hash, so I guess he's claiming his spot with our transaction, am I right?

Any chance you can let me know if her stake is safe?, she is very interested.

TXID : a55981bd394f5fac73d30c4ca83ff79623ce55e112a80ce15945fb96c3a21553

I can send you a pic showing the transaction if you need it.

Thanks for letting me know
Pgb



SOLVED. pgb provided screenshot that shows TXID : a55981bd394f5fac73d30c4ca83ff79623ce55e112a80ce15945fb96c3a21553 is his hash.
@Utopian: Plz change the sheet accordingly.

I can't locate here easily unless you let me know which page/ post she is in. Also I has allowed comments directly on the list so you can do that too. Thanks.
771  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [NXT] $10K Charity Drive for Songs of Love - Action Item on: February 16, 2014, 01:06:43 AM
I donate 1K. Thanks for the initiative.

Sent. transaction id 3041746654500171882.
772  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] New registration introduction thread on: February 16, 2014, 12:15:20 AM
Hi utopianfuture ,why the reply from you is so few?

Hi I am still here, but I have some other works to do. Thank you all for supporting NEM. Pm me if you have a private question, otherwise post them in our discussion/ update thread, someone will answer you.

If you have time and new to this venture, I would suggest you reading the discussion thread from beginning. Understanding how we get here would help you know how we are going forward. Again, thank you all and we would need all your helps in the future.
773  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: February 15, 2014, 04:50:14 PM
@utopian -- Is the spreadsheet up to date? I sent in and posted a few nights ago but don't see my name...

Update to page 70 currently. Sorry for the delay as I have some other works to do, but it is scheduled to be updated today to page 80.
774  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: February 15, 2014, 04:38:30 PM
@Utopian

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A groundbreaking[1] crypto-currency that gives control of their [2]economy back to the people and establishes[3] them as sovereigns over their own destiny. A currency is an expression of a political ideology and social attitude. Cryptocurency expresses the idea of financial freedom and a new global economic order. There are many cryptocurrency[4], but do not mistake us as just another one.
We are a[5] New Economy Movement.

Just pointing out some grammatical errors in the intro:
  • [1] - 'groundbreaking' should be double-barrelled.
  • [2] - 'the' not 'their'.
  • [3] - 'and establishes' should be replaced with ', establishing'.
  • [4] - 'cryptocurrencies' not 'cryptocurrency'.
  • [5] - 'a' works, but I think 'the' works better. 'The New Economy Movement' has a ring to it.


Here it is fixed; it just flows better in general:

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A ground-breaking cryptocurrency that gives control of the economy back to the people, establishing them as sovereigns over their own destiny. A currency is an expression of a political ideology and social attitude. Cryptocurency expresses the idea of financial freedom and a new global economic order. There are many cryptocurrencies, but do not mistake us as just another one.
We are The New Economy Movement.

On a side note, I feel the 'sovereigns over their own destiny' thing is kind of cheesy. I also feel like the intro is a bit of a mouthful and is likely to confuse a lot of people. Can I propose a shortened, snappier version?

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NEM is a seond-generation cryptocurrency, built from the ground up with new code. Radically improved over Bitcoin, it strives to build on a philosophy of charity, egalitarianism and economic decentralisation. This is The New Economy Movement.

What do you think?

Thanks for the comments. The cheesy parts was originated from a source I do not dare to name here Smiley I am working on wording for the front site of NEM and I like a more direct and forceful sentencing style too. So it will be more professional, more inspirational without the cheesy parts. I will solicit comments when the site is open for preview.  

While I am not a native speaker, the front page did get edited by an English writer.
775  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: February 15, 2014, 03:38:49 PM
some updates:

1. My last ad in Doge subreddit is from 2/15 (today) to 2/16. I want people there to see our development plan not the bunch of envy comments so go there and upvote my development plan comments http://www.reddit.com/comments/1wq6wj/envy_no_more_the_first_egalitarian_coin_join_the/?sort=new . Now despite of all "envy" and" hate" comments, we have close to 2000 click-though from Doge-Reddit. It is getting attention Smiley

2. Koream has checked thoroughly thread 1 for duplicate hashes https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhnotCbeR7nrdDlfanJzQS1lQkVGT1J2ZktWNmVCX2c&usp=sharing#gid=15
If you are not qualified in the stakeholder list (no Y next to your account) and your account is in duplicate hash thread, you will need to prove that you own the sending account by sending a very small amount to NEM address and let us know the transaction ID.
As long as your accounts have a "Y" then you are fine.

3. News but not sure good or bad. Before I have a chance to buy them, Neweconomymovement.com and Neweconomymovement.org have been taken by someone else, probably a NEM stakeholder Smiley I will have Nemcoin.info up in a few days for a preview.
776  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Anon136's Silver Bullion NXT Gateway on: February 15, 2014, 03:16:33 PM
Great look. I will buy one from you, Anon. Thanks.
777  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: February 15, 2014, 03:08:43 PM
hi utopianfuture,
I would like to introduce myself. My name is Ye, Jianjiang. I am currently a student of Xi Dian University in China.
My brother has rich experience on Cryptocurrencies investment. and he suggest me to invest NEM which has huge potential in future as a derivative of second generation coin NXT.
I am not sure whether I can catch up with this train. Please help me and I have sent 0.075 BTC to the address.
Thank you very much.

Our introduction thread is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=467027.new#new; please move your post there.
778  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] New registration introduction thread on: February 15, 2014, 02:20:51 PM
If you have a new BTT account and want to join NEM, please make a short introduction about yourself to join in here.

Hi utopianfuture:
I come from Russia, and now live in Israel.
I just started to learn cryptocurrency world and I am interested in NEM project.
I have been programming in .Net and SQL server.
Perhaps what I will be useful to the project.
Please let me join it. Thanks.

Thanks for your interest. Please understand that the rules are there for a certain purpose. But welcome you to join in.
779  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread on: February 15, 2014, 02:06:02 PM
This thread is getting flooded with these newcomers introducing themselves. Utopian please make a new thread for these ppl. No discrimination against new participants intended, but I mean that isn't this thread supposed to regard updates and stuff like that. Registration threads should be for these guys...

Hi all. Thanks for joining in and supporting NEM. A new introduction thread is made here for introduction purpose. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=467027.new#new

It could end up not so well if you join NEM but you can't read future instructions in English.
 
780  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / [NEM] New registration introduction thread / waiting list on: February 15, 2014, 02:04:20 PM
If you have a new BTT account and want to join NEM, please make a short introduction about yourself to join in here.

Update 2/21: the NEM fundraising was over on 2/17, but we may have more people after the public auditing of the stakeholder list. Please make an introduction post in this thread to join the waiting list. Thanks for supporting NEM.
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