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1641  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 19, 2014, 06:02:05 PM
Well guys what a crazy day, the potential this coins has is insane.
1642  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 19, 2014, 05:57:42 PM

Only as it always does, as part of the hype cycle, only to rise another order of magnitude on the next cycle.    I suspect BTC will still be gaining value long after I've moved into a privacy-enhanced successor coin.


Speaking of privacy enhanced coins, did you join the Monero train the other week, I'm sure it was you who mentioned it and I had a look. Bought a few thousand at 0.0003 and just sold a chunk at the top of a pump to 0.005 on Polinex moments ago.

Insane growth. Made up for the last 6 months of BTC prices and lack of volatility.
1643  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 18, 2014, 10:51:30 AM
Not even the chance to make $1 in the last 3 days. Don't even mind if it goes down a bit but please do something!
1644  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2014, 03:51:07 PM
Does anyone else think this trend looks similar to the pre-gox-failure trend in the 800s where it kept hitting 820? I can't be the only one...



Yep but unlikely to follow through without go... sorry I mean Huobi closing Wink What news could come now that's worse than Gox?
Well if this TA was actually valid (I'm not saying it definitely is) then I think the idea is that you know that some type of event is going to reveal itself eventually because there is this persistent invisible wall at a low level where someone is distributing based on inside information, and while the whole market is bullish as hell, they keep bouncing off of this insider wall.

Fair point, still doesn't answer what could be worse than Gox ? Even if all Huobi closed I'm not sure it would have the same % terms that gox did.
1645  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2014, 03:41:24 PM
Does anyone else think this trend looks similar to the pre-gox-failure trend in the 800s where it kept hitting 820? I can't be the only one...



Yep but unlikely to follow through without go... sorry I mean Huobi closing Wink What news could come now that's worse than Gox?
1646  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 16, 2014, 02:15:51 PM
meaning this coin will not hard fork to actively avoid optimized mining.

I don't know if I would go so far as to promise no hard fork for that ever. If there is some well-thought-out improved version of CryptoNight (perhaps from the original developers) and it seems useful, I could see a carefully-done hard fork to adopt it.

Half-assed efforts to tweak this or that in a poorly-researched way to desperately defeat some optimized miners will very likely not happen. Cyptonote tried to do CPU-only, and they have a reasoned justification for it (though certainly not all agree). If they fail to deliver, we won't stand in the way of that natural evolution to GPU/ASIC/whatever.

Any progress in the new mine tool?
publish a linux first,let us rise the nethash

i'm also waitting for a optimized cpu minning tool, it seems that somebody has that version, now it's unfair for vs whice use the old tool~~

The new miner will be released by noodle once it has been properly tested he is a dev.

Its not unfair if people have the skills to write their own miners...
1647  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2014, 01:28:17 PM
I am by no means an expert in chart analysis or indicators. But when I look at the 3d chart and the RSI indicator all I see is the fractal repeating itself one more time:



I find this chart particular interesting because there are other indicators the could point to trend reversal (such as the way we have been right at the top of the descending channel and possibly even broken out a few times).

Looking across the 3 sections where we have been overbought you notice that the volume has increased every time. It don't think this means anything...  It is just because Kraken has gotten more customers (which of course is a good thing Smiley)  If you think my interpretation is wrong then please enlighten me.

I think that if you want to do long term analysis thats fair over a period of time you should use an exchange that gets more than a peak of 5700BTC on the 3d chart.

Not saying your observations aren't legit just that volume can tell you a lot and kraken doesn't have much.
1648  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2014, 11:48:52 AM
Why is it that bulls speak so emotionally and inappropriately while bears speak so calmly and rationally?

Yeah why is that, fonzie and igoor and mah37 are all such rational posters.
1649  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2014, 11:43:29 AM
Another thing that annoys me is that when I write "Inevitable crash" I get 3 responses within a minute stating that I am pulling predictions out of my ass. While in the meantime if for example Chessnut predicts "CCMF" with his EW analysis (which he hasnt the slightest idea about), people are already like "CCMF" etc.

Well don't use words like "inevitable crash" saying CCMF around here is just a buzz word, It doesn't mean we are inevitably crashing upwards. (though on a long term scale its probably true Wink )

And at least chessnut posts some charts and reasons for saying that. If Im not mistaken you posted the other day crash of the century incoming when we were at $442...
1650  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2014, 11:24:31 AM


Well what bothers me is that is postponing the inevitable drop, in which case my shorts will bring me more $ than they are now.

Can I borrow that crystal ball after you ?
1651  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 16, 2014, 11:05:11 AM
what's the current block id?
how'll I understand my bitmonerond is synced?


Height = 42175

type set_log 1 in bitmonerod and you will see when you stop getting blocks coming in constantly.
1652  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 16, 2014, 10:41:52 AM
I do have to question some peoples thought process when they claim that a GPU coin is much much fairer than a CPU coin. Do they not think that there are huge GPU farms that rape the GPU coins as well. The main combatant is pools which allow the big farms to solo mine and then everyone else to mine on pools.  

Come on, think about why that reasoning is faulty for a minute. No, I'm serious. Think about it before you read the rest of this post.




Let's say, for the purposes of this discussion, that most regular people have 2 CPUs working for them. Maybe they're high end, maybe low end, but let's just look at the number of CPUs at this point. Regular miner has his 2 CPUs, now botnet miner likely has tens or hundreds of thousands. Really good bot herders can even break the 1M bots mark. You can see that even if we consider the number of bots the botner miner has as half of the total - to account for shut down PCs, loss of bots, internet connection issues on the bots, etc.- and even to tip it more in the home user's favor, let's say he has 2 of the latest i7 Extreme Editions, or hell, even high end Xeons. Even if those bots are all rocking low-end Pentiums and Semprons, the botnet miner will kill the average users by a LARGE margin.

Now, why won't this happen with GPUs? Well, for starters, botnet mining on GPUs is not advisable. Very few bots will have decent GPUs, even fewer will have high-end ones, and the user will likely notice the fan going at 100% if he's just in the room. So even if you disable it when he's on the system, his chances of noticing something is amiss are too damned high. Okay, but what about rich GPU farmers? Well, GPUs cost a lot. Not per unit, but to maintain. The more of them you have, you start having big problems. Insane, ungodly amounts of heat. Ridiculous power bills. And then you need someone who is very skilled with computers - and mining, too - to maintain the farm, because God knows GPUs that are left overclocked and running at 100% for weeks/months at a time are not stable. In short, GPUs do not scale well. A few are easy to manage, try too many, and it will cost you a fortune.

As an aside, this is why ASICs are awful: They are EXTREMELY expensive compared to GPUs, locking out the average person, they entail greater risk, as they cannot be resold if their mining usefulness ends before you thought it would, and they are plug and play, so you can hire unskilled labor to keep them running - and you'll need less labor, because they are far more stable.

Again good points I can't really refute many of them as at the end of the day they are just guess work. Particularly in regards to the hardware that they are running and the size of the botnets.

Think about why some of that reasoning is faulty as well though.

I think the most important thing to constantly remember is your talking about bot admins with 1000's or 10,000's of bots. There are hundreds of things more profitable with a bot net near that size than mining monero Wink

Look at how much coin you could feasibly have sold, there is no serious liquidity in the market. Or are you suggesting that a bot admin would hold random crypto hoping it goes up when he could use is 1m bots to make some real money?
1653  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 16, 2014, 10:31:38 AM
^^^ again thats not evidence.

You don't know what coins or processor is doing that mining. Not saying its not true just that that's not real evidence.

Ok. What are you can accept as evidence? Other words, what you want to see?

A screen shot of simpleminer if its an optimized version would suffice next to screenshot of the system screen showing the CPU.

If its a complete separate miner a screen shot of that miner including the command used to start it which should show an MRO address.

Failing that, the source code will do Wink

Sorry, very big...



Thats more like it Wink

Are you mining to your own pool?
1654  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 16, 2014, 10:28:09 AM

Finally, someone who knows their asshole from their elbow when it comes to botnet administration. However, you are wrong about one thing: If I write my miner correctly, the average user will never know it's there.

Hypothetically, were I to write a silent miner for a botnet, I would make it use far less CPU when the user is on it. Maybe 25% to 50% of the CPU. This is not obvious to the user, and when the system goes idle, I simply kick the miner into full gear. You might say Windows defaults cause the system to suspend/hibernate when idle, but I can easily change that from my code, and 99% of users would never think anything of it.

As this author, I know the idea is to keep as many bots as I can for as long as I can. Therefore, I will not abuse my bots by running a miner at 100% on them at any point where I think the user would notice. If someone has a slow computer, they will do a malware scan or just outright reinstall - and if they can't, they will find someone who can. This is why you keep the users happy.

So, correctly implemented mining malware not very easily noticed by most users, therefore, it's easy money.

P.S. About the DDoS thing, most users won't notice the DDoS itself, but the consequences may hit the user right in the face - people being constantly harassed by way of a DDoS have a tendency to start sending notifications of abuse to the ISPs of the bots. If the ISP contacts the user because they keep getting abuse emails, that's something the user would have a hard time ignoring if they tried.

Some very good points.

In regards to the silent miner, I think its interesting to speculate what sort of PC's are infected and the hardware that they are likely to be running. From what I can ascertain the majority of botnets are comprised of low hardware PC's.

This brings up a number of considerations.

One being the actual HR you can get from 25% of a pentium 4 for example. I agree that if you have 1000's of PC's its still likely to = a high HR but not too many botnets particularly private ones that aren't rented out for bigger purposes are that large.
 
Another being that if they are running low powered machines, 25-50% of cpu usage is still likely to make other simple tasks mundanely slow. In addition just because the PC is idle doesn't mean you can't see or hear it being hot or loud.
1655  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 16, 2014, 10:10:18 AM
^^^ again thats not evidence.

You don't know what coins or processor is doing that mining. Not saying its not true just that that's not real evidence.

Ok. What are you can accept as evidence? Other words, what you want to see?

A screen shot of simpleminer if its an optimized version would suffice next to screenshot of the system screen showing the CPU.

If its a complete separate miner a screen shot of that miner including the command used to start it which should show an MRO address.

Failing that, the source code will do Wink
1656  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 16, 2014, 09:58:56 AM
^^^ again thats not evidence.

You don't know what coins or processor is doing that mining. Not saying its not true just that that's not real evidence.
1657  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2014, 09:52:23 AM
Jorge Im still waiting on your reply to this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg6748692#msg6748692

Your very quick to be negative spreading your views which your entitled to do but not so quick to retort to valid points that I'm fairly certain you can't answer. I like hearing some of the things you say but you make these points and when someone refutes them you don't seem to reply and just continue saying the same things people have already debunked.

There have been already so many jorges. Always with the same arguments. Over and over again...

Yep but the difference with this Jorge is he's actually a very intelligent man who you can learn a lot from, but like all academics they don't take kindly to being proven wrong Wink
1658  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 16, 2014, 09:50:35 AM
Yes, I can't prove that, I didn't see any proofs. But I don't think that he lied us. There is no reasons.

There are a few reasons I can think of;

Casting doubt over whether the devs have released the best miner they can.

Discouraging others from mining as there's no point if you have a 4 times faster miner.

I could go on, Im not saying he was lying but saying there are no reasons isn't true.
1659  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][MRO] Monero - Anonymous Currency Based on Ring Signatures on: May 16, 2014, 09:40:31 AM
Botnets are very good for some things and not very good for others. The bottom line is the owner of a botnet wants to keep his botnet as large as possible and for as much as is possible, undetected.

This means two things, this is risky for the owner of the botnet as he may have people de-infect their PC or turn it off altogether, this also makes these botnets very expensive to rent. This then throws into question not just risk/reward but whether you will actually break even.

The more valuable the CPU only coin is the more you can expect botnet to be used. Im affraid but if the coin is as valuable as Bitcoin, botnets would have majority of mined blocks.

The more valuable a coin the more you can expect any miner to be used. Yeah but its not as valuable as Bitcoin so you have no point.
1660  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 16, 2014, 09:35:52 AM
Jorge Im still waiting on your reply to this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg6748692#msg6748692

Your very quick to be negative spreading your views which your entitled to do but not so quick to retort to valid points that I'm fairly certain you can't answer. I like hearing some of the things you say but you make these points and when someone refutes them you don't seem to reply and just continue saying the same things people have already debunked.
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