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1641  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Dangerous precedents set on March 12 2013 on: March 17, 2013, 01:04:37 AM
I think the alert system should be moved into a plugin so people can subscribe to the Bitcoin Foundation alerts if they want.  That way if some other entity wanted to send alerts they could develop their own plugin and users can decide which plugins to download.

That's a pretty decent suggestion.

[Edit: Not that alerts from mutliple parties are sent out necessarily but that the client can subscribe to alerts from outside sources and that it would have the ability to go into safe mode or require manual approval for payments as a reaction to certain alerts.]
1642  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: using instawallet - sent btc not showing up on: March 16, 2013, 04:27:15 AM
and where the heck did over 2000$ of my coins go!?!?!?!?

Whoah ...

InstaWallet at one point in time preferred the term "low security wallet" to describe what service they offer.

That's because these Instawallets don't have security features that other EWallets offer, including username and password (for low value storage) and two-factor authentication (for when amounts stored will be of greater value).

With InstaWallet, all you need is the URL and you can spend the funds.  That makes it essentially a "bearer instrument", just like the cash in your pocket -- spendable by whomever has physical possession.

I'm not sure why you'ld send from one Instawallet to another, but but hopefully both were ones that you created and nobody else has access to the URL.


Just as a sanity check, look up your destination wallet and make sure the Bitcoin address for that matches exactly the Bitcoin address that you sent payment to.

its been over 7 confirmations too..

That should be enough for it to be credited.   I'm not sure there is anything anyone here can do to help you.  
At the bottom of their site is a link with their e-mail address for support.
1643  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Dwolla -> BitInstant transfer failure on: March 16, 2013, 04:09:39 AM
I did a transfer from Dwolla > MtGox last week, the automated process said it failed.  Emailed Bitinstant, in one and a half days they had it rectified.  I am satisfied with the result, but it certainly was not instant.  It was not a large amount either.

Is the reason you didn't do Dwolla -> Mt. Gox directly due to Mt. Gox's verification requirement?     Otherwise, it is $0.25 per transaction, rather than a % of the amount transferred.
1644  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is the 21 million bitcoin limit unchangeable? on: March 16, 2013, 03:10:06 AM
Assume the 0.8 miners had 70% of the hashing power and most of the merchants wanted 0.8.  Also suppose 30% of the nodes are 0.8 and 70% are 0.7 or below because most people don't fully understand what is going on and didn't upgrade yet.  How would this play out?

In the short term (hours after fork begins) it plays out poorly.     Most larger merchants and exchanges would halt processing until there was a pretty good idea of which side already had support of the economic majority or which side was more favorable to the economic majority and let that determine which side to support.  Smaller merchants not using a payment processor would see the alert and hopefully halt processing as well, but if not it probably shouldn't be too bad as customers could still be able to spend -- their transactions get mined on chains on both sides.  Merchants taking payments who are on the "wrong" side will start getting confirmations for payments that didn't yet get a confirm on the other side.

So then once this economic majority concludes that they are sticking with 0.7, miners using the pools that are mining on the 0.8 side have to wonder how those pools are going to pay out if their revenues will no longer be spendable (as those merchants and exchanges won't acknowledge blocks from the v0.8 side), and thus miner proceeds have no value.

So as a result you have individual miners start defecting to pools that are on the v0.7 side.  And hours later this problem no longer exists, because the pools that thought they could force a switch to v0.8 no longer have the hashing power to do so, and their side eventually no longer remains the longest chain.  

In this instance, eventually the chains converge and any blocks generated on the v0.8 side get orphaned.  

And as a result the pools come to realize who wears the pants in this relationship.  It is the economic majority -- the people who will buy their production of coins.
1645  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is the 21 million bitcoin limit unchangeable? on: March 16, 2013, 02:52:13 AM
So it kind of seems like really the economic power is in those who want to hold bitcoins, a[...] rather than in those who already hold them...

Glad I'm not the only one to think that theory needs revision.

I raised a question on StackExchange on that:

Is Bitcoin's Economic Majority those who already own coins or those who will buy or keep coins?
 - http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/8285/153'

I also added that to the Wiki article's discussion page:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Talk:Economic_majority
1646  Economy / Speculation / Re: The Weekend Dip Myth on: March 15, 2013, 11:59:07 PM
This weekend dip theory may be something that cannot be traded reliably anymore.  Who knows.  We'll see.

Unfortunately whatever happens on this weekend will make us none the wiser regarding reliability of this strategy. Just one more datapoint in a long series that is and will keep allowing statistically rather insignificant conclusions only.

There was a lot of buying volume to push the exchange rate up to this level.  That buying volume is petering out.   Right now the 24H volume is an amount showing a relatively low 20K BTC  (relative to volume over the past two months).  

 - http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg30zig6-hourztgTzm1g10zm2g25zvzcv

Combine that with an exchange rate drifting lower means buyers are not anxious to buy more at this slightly lower price.

But right now there are 48 hours before the next wire transfers will be credited at Mt. Gox.    This isn't anything new, but if there is a further dip, it can be pressed a bit because there's no new wires that will be credited for a couple days.  That's a property that only happens on the weekends, and this weekend could very well be one where a dip happens again.
1647  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ways to Short BTC/USD on: March 15, 2013, 11:42:17 PM
I'm looking for ways to profit in USD terms, not BTC terms, if the BTC/USD exchange rate goes lower.

You can try to borrow BTCs from someone. 

The problem is finding someone who will lend their coins to you and not want a usurious interest rate.
1648  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Will I ever see my bitcoin? on: March 15, 2013, 11:34:10 PM
That was a few days ago, and now it is close.

If you are on an older version of the client (pre v0.Cool that was a big problem.  It is mostly resolved with v0.8.

If you have a screensaver (or worse, sleep mode), Bitcoin-Qt might not get the full resources it would benefit from and thus syncing isn't happening as quickly as it could.
1649  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitcoin Vouchers on: March 15, 2013, 11:13:27 PM
Thanks for letting me know about the fee's for both in and out on Mt. Gox and the rest are to much in fee's also.

New development:

MtGox generation of USD redeemable codes will stop at 10 Apr 2013
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151081.0
1650  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: MtGox generation of USD redeemable codes will stop at 10 Apr 2013 on: March 15, 2013, 11:08:48 PM
Just a bit more on this.

Does that mean I can still create and redeem a MTGEUR code after April 10th?

I just got this answered on #mtgox IRC:

Quote
<MagicalTux> as US customer, it will not be possible to have a balance in anything else than BTC/USD/CAD

So, after April 10th, if you are in the U.S. you will have the ability to send MTGox BTC redeemable code, but not MTGUSD, MTGEUR, or any other currency.

Also, I see that AurumXChange (issuer of VouchX codes) is now handling redeemable codes issued by BTC-E and BITSTAMP as well.

Also related:

MTGUSD Redeemable Code - The End Is Neigh
 - http://www.bitcoinmoney.com/post/44860726799
1651  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Email Message from Tibanne Co. Ltd. (system@tibanne.com) on: March 15, 2013, 10:58:01 PM
Do they manage one of the bitcoin exchanges?? what's going on

More on this:

MtGox generation of USD redeemable codes will stop at 10 Apr 2013
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151081.0

and:

MTGUSD Redeemable Code - The End Is Neigh
 - http://bitcoinmoney.com/post/44860726799
1652  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Security Test Fail? on: March 15, 2013, 09:25:27 PM
Aaaa, so it decyphers only in RAM when im doing transaction? It is kept cyphered on the disk all the time, so the lock is unneeded?

You only need to enter the passphrase when generating a new address or when spending.

Because it can be discovered which Bitcoin addresses are yours from seeing the wallet.dat, some people use an encrypted filesystem for the Bitcoin directory (or at least for where the wallet.dat is stored).
1653  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to run bitcoin on the command line? on: March 15, 2013, 07:23:30 PM
Right now I am having the most basic problem: figuring out how/where bitcoin is installed.

And for the data directory:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Data_directory#Mac
1654  Economy / Speculation / Re: Ways to Short BTC/USD on: March 15, 2013, 02:59:15 PM
Are there any good ways to profit in USD terms if BTC/USD goes down?

Technically, buying dollars with them is shorting bitcoin.  But you are probably looking for leverage to do a trade.

 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade#Financial
1655  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Unconfirmed Transaction | Installed Python/Pywallet... need help on: March 15, 2013, 02:45:51 PM
I'll still gladly take any advice on the previous question in the case that this happens again? -LCM

Ya, pay the fee so it doesn't happen again.

An unconfirmed payment from you means a miner hasn't included it into a block.   

Your bitcoin client will notice if a transaction has not confirmed, and will re-broadcast it periodically.   If you delete the transaction, your client won't rebroadcast it.

Just because you delete it from your wallet doesn't mean the transaction won't eventually confirm later.

Incidentally, pywallet does not have any way to delete the transactions, nor delete the private keys.  It can be used to export the private keys, and then later you can create a new wallet and import those keys.  But bitcoin-Qt has a Debug console where you can do all that from now anyway.
1656  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Creating ultra-safe paper wallet (Did I do this correctly?) on: March 15, 2013, 02:31:30 PM
4)  Close down my browser, reconnect to the Internet, and reopen my browser.

Upon reconnecting to the internet, the malware that earlier had been taking a screenshot every quarter second uploads the photo payloads it had been queued up ever since it had lost Internet connectivity for a short while.
1657  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Is the 21 million bitcoin limit unchangeable? on: March 15, 2013, 01:39:39 PM
But that's obviously not the case.

You might wish to read up on the concept with Bitcoin known as the Economic Majority:
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Economic_majority
1658  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Alipay to Bitcoin? on: March 15, 2013, 01:15:26 PM
I don't know why you cannot do the same thing.

The wiki is open to all to edit.  I volunteer many hours of my time every month to do what I can to keep it current.

I don't know why you cannot do event a fraction of the same thing.
1659  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Continuity of support on: March 15, 2013, 01:02:17 PM
specifically but rather the database of Bitcoins, right?  Does the coin database (is this the block chain?) grow without limit or is there some sort of truncation eventually?

Transactions have inputs (which spend previously unspent transaction outputs) and outputs.  The exception is the first transaction in the block which is for generated coin and fees.  
 - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transactions#Generation

Here's the coinbase transaction for the first block of that March 11th blockchain fork.
 - https://blockchain.info/tx/9bfae0ea23bc15db2b0cfba42926e32a396103ca080baa73349936f38c6ab7b0
The amount was 26.70259792, which consists of 25 BTC for the generated coin and 1.70259792 which is the total of the fees of transactions in the block.

The miner can't spend this coinbase (neither the generated coin nor the fees received) until it has 120 confirmations.

They will "mine" not for new coins anymore but instead just for the, um, confirmation/validation/encryption of the new blocks of transactions.

For the fees.  Right now the fees are a small fraction of the block reward subsidy.  That's why the subsidy is so high, to help get a sufficient level of protection (hashing capacity).

Hmm, two miners (unintentionally or deliberately) creating divergent block chains force entities to make a choice; the majority win.

Nope.  Longest chain for the agreed upon protocol wins.

What happened this past week was there was a change to the protocol in v0.8 that nobody realized happened.   Then there had to be a decision -- which side should win, and are there sufficient resources behind the decision that it would succeed.

In the earlier moments of a hard fork (who's job is it to be watchful and broadcast the alert?),

Well, BitPay was watchful and noticed it, halted their daemon and started investigating.  At least one pool's monitoring detected it however it apparently wasn't acted upon in a timely manner.  I suspect one or more exchanges were watchful and noticed it,.     The v0.7 client automatically detected that it was behind and displayed a warning to its users.   In this case, unfortunately, it was the v0.8 clients that needed to be warned, but since that was the longest chain, they shouldn't have cared as the assumption is that longest chain six or more blocks ahead is final, never to be surpassed.

It might not be clear at all which side will become the winning side.  Entities (at least those in the know) would be wise to wait (for how long?  what if a paid service is life critical?) for the situation to settle down.  Hmm.  It feels like waiting is not acting with authority.

When the VISA/MC/AMEX payment card systems go down, merchants can't get authorization, but they still fall back to the imprint method (pencil + POS receipt, and scratch the pencil across the receipt on top of the card, makes an imprint of the card on the receipt.)   There's no guarantee the retailer would win in a dispute, so this only works if the customer can be trusted.      

During the time of the accidental hard-fork this past week, there was no reason for a merchant to stop accepting payments from a trusted counterparty.  Those transactions all (or nearly all) got processed in blocks on both chains and no problems occurred for those.   Neither outcome of the decision to go with one side or the other mattered for those transactions.  As far as how long the wait was, the first reports of a problem trickled in at March 11, 2013 at 23:10-ish, and it was only less than an hour later, March 12, 2013 at 00:02 that dev's realized they might be facing a crisis, at 00:06 that they confirmed it, and 3 minutes later Mt. Gox and poolops were alerted.  At 00:30, while devs were still deciding (though nearly all in agreement towards the v0.7 side) the largest pool unilaterally began preparations for switching over to v0.7.  And within a half hour from there that became the decision that was communicated out.

This scenario is a little different from other potential crisis situations but there definitely were some lessons to be learned.   The contingencies list (from the Wiki) didn't cover this specific type of incident but the steps it did have were followed and helped.

In theory there might not be a central authority per se but in practice continuity of support can potentially provide quicker and higher quality results reducing the risks to the Bitcoin community.

I do see how if there ad been one or two of the core developers who were unreachable or unable to help how the outcome could have been worse. (e.g., if Sipa hadn't been able to crank out a band-aid fix for v0.8 so that Slush's v0.8 would work on the chain on the v0.7 side.)  

But remember, there's no "Bitcoin, Inc."   These core developers are volunteers (except for Gavin).   It will probably be the major participants who each build a crisis response strategy suited for their own needs and collaborate where appropriate.

1660  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: yet another unconfirmed transaction on: March 15, 2013, 08:35:20 AM
The transaction size is 1160 bytes. The price per 1000 bytes is 0.0005 BTC. Shouldn't you have paid 0.001 BTC fee for this transaction?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are correct on the price per KB.  What I'm not sure of is if a 1160 byte transaction is considered 2 X 1000 bytes, or just 1 X 1000 (where remainders are not considered for the fee assessment).

Quote
A transaction will be sent without fees if these conditions are met:
It is smaller than 10 thousand bytes.
All outputs are 0.01 BTC or larger.
Its priority is large enough (see the Technical Info section below)
  - http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees

So this transaction had an output below 0.01 BTC thus there did need to be fees paid at the rate of 0.0005 BTC per KB.

Incidentally, this transaction has since confirmed.
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