looks like that was the blow-off top in ether fart gas.
Prep yourselves for the years of the long bear markets ether luvvers ... or sell now and buy back at fiddy cents in 18 months or so ...?
I've sold mine and actually didn't get as much profit as I wanted too, however I still believe ETH will be the clear winner this year, BTC is just going nowhere and hype about ETH won't die that easy. With that being said I agree that unless there are some major announcements or deals in the next days the downtrend will continue, maybe even testing 0.02 but most likely will be around 250-280k. I think this would be a great place to get in. However with ETH, I won't be surprised if it hits $20 by next week, really. It all depends on news, if tomorrow Xapo says it is accepting Ethereum you know what will happen... |
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My picks for today are:
Los Angeles Clippers @ San Antonio Spurs - Over 200.5pts @ 1.94
The Spurs come from a low scoring game against the Thunder but I think this one will be different. Considering they will be hacking Jordan I know there is risk that it won't go over but I feel the odds are good enough to justify the bet.
Toronto Raptors @ Milwaukee Bucks - Toronto Raptors @ 1.7
Those are great odds for Toronto even if they play away, I usually don't really care for the Bucks even if I know they are relative strong at home.
Good luck guys!
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I'm still here haters, ETH right back at 0.0320...I admit I almost had a heart attack but crypto trading is amazing...this really reminds me of 2013 Bitcoin, only that I didn't even know what was BTC back then hehe.
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Lol, "bitcoiners" are starting to lose their minds, it's just sad...
yeah ... so what exactly are you doing here using the hated bitcoin's forum, all this doom and sadness might be too much for you ether bankster rainbow-fart pumpers? pumping a hyperbolic crypto that has at present zero market uses, at the top, looks quite insane btw. Tell me exactly what's the use of BTC other than a storage of wealth? Go buy a coffee with BTC so you can expend 20% when you realize all the fees and hassle that involved getting BTC in the first place (not to mention using your credit card and bank account info). Oh and tell the cashier to wait an hour or so for confirmation. |
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Vitalik is not the only dev on ethereum. There are over 70. Vitalik has created the idea and whitepaper already.
yeah but the market wont care about that, it is all based on FUD, hype and perception. Mike Hearn wasn't even a real core developer and his tantrum dropped bitcoin 20%. If Vitalik disappears ethereum would crash, there's way too much hype centralising it around one poor kid who's way out of his depth ... it's kind of sad how they are exploiting him. What's sad is to watch "Bitcoiners" running for the lifes and trying to invent the most ridiculous FUD ever. Vitalik kidnapped? You don't even know who Satoshi is but you trust some unknown "core" developers and chinese miners and call that a decentralized utopia, lol. Look man, Bitcoin doesn't even have to die because it has proven itself a good way to store wealth, like digital gold. As a payment system it's a complete joke that will never be adopted by anyone, either common persons or serious companies. It had its time and now it's really agonizing. Ethereum is not here to replace Bitcoin actually, because Bitcoin doesn't even have its own position secured, what's the use of it? Nothing. It was a unique and disruptive original idea that gave us the blockchain, the "currency" itself is a complete failure unless it's used as speculation tool (that's perfectly fine for me though...but many are still trying to make Bitcoin "happen", they think they could actually get a woman to use it for example...). ... so you're buying beer, pizza and coffee with your ether wallets? Are you trolling? Is the same with Bitcoin, are you buying beer with Bitcoin? what are you? retarded? Why would you pay for a beer with "gold"? Same with ETH if its oil. These coins were not meant to replace digital payments. Digital payments work just fine for 99% of the people. They use Visa and Paypal. so let's get this straight, you can't buy beer, pizza or coffee with your precious ether farts and it's the best payment system EVA! ... ? Lol, "bitcoiners" are starting to lose their minds, it's just sad... |
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Vitalik is not the only dev on ethereum. There are over 70. Vitalik has created the idea and whitepaper already.
yeah but the market wont care about that, it is all based on FUD, hype and perception. Mike Hearn wasn't even a real core developer and his tantrum dropped bitcoin 20%. If Vitalik disappears ethereum would crash, there's way too much hype centralising it around one poor kid who's way out of his depth ... it's kind of sad how they are exploiting him. What's sad is to watch "Bitcoiners" running for the lifes and trying to invent the most ridiculous FUD ever. Vitalik kidnapped? You don't even know who Satoshi is but you trust some unknown "core" developers and chinese miners and call that a decentralized utopia, lol. Look man, Bitcoin doesn't even have to die because it has proven itself a good way to store wealth, like digital gold. As a payment system it's a complete joke that will never be adopted by anyone, either common persons or serious companies. It had its time and now it's really agonizing. Ethereum is not here to replace Bitcoin actually, because Bitcoin doesn't even have its own position secured, what's the use of it? Nothing. It was a unique and disruptive original idea that gave us the blockchain, the "currency" itself is a complete failure unless it's used as speculation tool (that's perfectly fine for me though...but many are still trying to make Bitcoin "happen", they think they could actually get a woman to use it for example...). ... so you're buying beer, pizza and coffee with your ether wallets? Are you trolling? Is the same with Bitcoin, are you buying beer with Bitcoin? what are you? retarded? Why would you pay for a beer with "gold"? Same with ETH if its oil. These coins were not meant to replace digital payments. Digital payments work just fine for 99% of the people. They use Visa and Paypal. |
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Im thinking about going all in on ether, seriously.. And this is way outside of my character.
Anyone here go all in on eth?
I did when it was 90k satoshis, it was just as scary as it is now, even more because back then the bubble and P&D were even more logical. Now it already has 1B marketcap so even if it can drop a lot or be overbought at the time (these things had been said all the time since it was at 40k) I think there's plenty of legit interest on it and it still hasn't reach mainstream news as the "new" bitcoin killer. The mainstream news are just centered on Bitcoin problems and scandals as usual, but wait when they start to talk about Ethereum now that you can buy it with USD at Bitfinex and most likely many other exchanges soon (that means Coinbase, Xapo, Circle...). However, buying and holding and jumping on this new ship is not easy at all. I now understand the doubts of Bitcoiners in 2013...I'm sure many early adopters just sold at $10 or $20 and never even imagined it could go at high as $1000. I know for a fact that many Ethereum pre-sale buyers sold their stash at 40-50k satoshis or well below 100k...now it's pushing $20. |
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Vitalik is not the only dev on ethereum. There are over 70. Vitalik has created the idea and whitepaper already.
yeah but the market wont care about that, it is all based on FUD, hype and perception. Mike Hearn wasn't even a real core developer and his tantrum dropped bitcoin 20%. If Vitalik disappears ethereum would crash, there's way too much hype centralising it around one poor kid who's way out of his depth ... it's kind of sad how they are exploiting him. What's sad is to watch "Bitcoiners" running for the lifes and trying to invent the most ridiculous FUD ever. Vitalik kidnapped? You don't even know who Satoshi is but you trust some unknown "core" developers and chinese miners and call that a decentralized utopia, lol. Look man, Bitcoin doesn't even have to die because it has proven itself a good way to store wealth, like digital gold. As a payment system it's a complete joke that will never be adopted by anyone, either common persons or serious companies. It had its time and now it's really agonizing. Ethereum is not here to replace Bitcoin actually, because Bitcoin doesn't even have its own position secured, what's the use of it? Nothing. It was a unique and disruptive original idea that gave us the blockchain, the "currency" itself is a complete failure unless it's used as speculation tool (that's perfectly fine for me though...but many are still trying to make Bitcoin "happen", they think they could actually get a woman to use it for example...). |
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It might be a bubble but 1 billion marketcap and still growing can't really be a p&d. It's time for Bitcoiners to acknowledge there's a new kid in town. Just check what Ted Rogers, president of Xapo is saying on Twitter:
"blocksize restriction by Core & centralization of dev in 1 company has made #bitcoin the slow incumbent & #ethereum the agile disruptor"
Put all BTC in ETH. It's game changer. When the block size issue is resolved in bitcoin, the bitcoin price will rise again. At the moment, there is too much concern about the unity of the bitcoin community. Dude, that won't happen overnight, it may never happen...but one thing is for sure, Coinbase, Circle, Xapo and other exchanges are companies that are getting frustrated, that's a fact, so they are at war. And they are in the business of making money, not some fatso anarcho idealist bullshit. They sure don't like missing all the ETH action and if ETH continues its uprising for another month I think it's only a matter of time many announcements and deals will be made. Now, like I said many times in this thread, I'm not a complete ETH fanboy, I know there is a lot of risk of ETH having a sharp drop in the near future (not sure from where though...) and since I've went almost all in in 90s mark I sort of safe to at least get my money back with some profit. But at the same time, I also think there's a slight chance the real bubble starts in the next weeks when it hits mainstream news and bitcoiners start to move more and more to ETH... Nothing as big happened in crypto since Bitcoin bubble in my opinion, LTC was a joke compared to this. So even if ETH doesn't quite make it or loose steam, it will be a wonderful lesson for all of us and even a great lesson to BTC devs to get their shit together once and for all. Not that they can fix BTC as a payment system, it's completely unusable and worthless if they are still trying people to adopt it... |
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It might be a bubble but 1 billion marketcap and still growing can't really be a p&d. It's time for Bitcoiners to acknowledge there's a new kid in town. Just check what Ted Rogers, president of Xapo is saying on Twitter:
"blocksize restriction by Core & centralization of dev in 1 company has made #bitcoin the slow incumbent & #ethereum the agile disruptor"
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The real number would be what's the rate Xapo uses to convert BTC to USD...fees by themselves are not that intimidating but if they exchange your BTC to USD with a $380 value then we are in trouble hehe.
That transaction rate was 1BTC=370.80 EUR (about 414USD), pretty fair. Check bit-x too and see if they have better fees/rates That's actually quite good indeed, I will order one as soon as I'm able to and try it, seeing the first year is free then it's not really that expensive. |
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Stop trying to get noobs from buying into this pump... everything about it is screaming bad decision. There will be a reversal, nothing climbs this fast without one. If they can fix the problems then there may be hope, but if you want to gamble on it at least wait until it has priced itself back into reality.
800k sat might be a good place to start .
Lol, you are for a rude awakening when your precious BTC go back to reality too, like $100-200...that's what the halvening will bring, half the price. Like bitcoin carpenteer said, just stop this madness. ETH is at it's high now. It's been pumped big time. The only logical thing to do is that he price will be dumped to the ground. And newcomers will lose money. If you considered this well then you are too late. We'll see what happens this week really, as usual selling the news is a common occurrence. However if it doesn't happen and new deals and announcements are made with the release of Homestead, then the real bubble will start. I think I'm safe since I bought at 90k...(remember when 0.01 was the absolute top? right...) |
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Stop trying to get noobs from buying into this pump... everything about it is screaming bad decision. There will be a reversal, nothing climbs this fast without one. If they can fix the problems then there may be hope, but if you want to gamble on it at least wait until it has priced itself back into reality.
800k sat might be a good place to start .
Lol, you are for a rude awakening when your precious BTC go back to reality too, like $100-200...that's what the halvening will bring, half the price. |
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You cant really compare litecoin to Ethereum. Litecoin is only a fork of bitcoin and brought nothing new to game. Ethereum on the otherhand is a completly new form of blockchain tech, it isnt a fork of bitcoin.
Indeed. That's why NxT got its huge pump in January 2014, Bitshares, Ripple...you name it. (b.t.w. everybody said that about Litecoin at the time - that it was going to leave Bitcoin in the dust, witness that big green candle at the front of the profile). It's not that I'm disagreeing with the fact that Ethereum will be "big", I'm just saying that the value in that network is not necessarily in the blockchain tokens. They can possibly be thought of as "hot air", relatively speaking. Please, why is it so hard to understand that Ethereum is miles above those shitcoins? Only Litecoin passed the 1B market cap as far as I know, and we are talking about a clone with no real use other than speculation (we already have BTC for wealth storage and it works just fine...we can all agree on that). ETH has huge potential because those tokens you talk about need to be used so they will cost money, just like oil...how much we are figuring it out, it's just all getting started really. But it's just as simple as doing some simple logical deductions. ETH was made to be highly divisible, so 70 or 100m "tokens" is absolutely nothing, with 77-100 ETH you are part of the million club. Bitcoin's 6B market is a joke compared to big companies. Ethereum thrives because you see news like the Toronto Exchange, Reuters, Germany's RWE etc looking into it. If it really start getting implemented and used around the world do you really think $10-15 per ETHER is expensive? I won't even mention Augur or Slock.it. |
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Oklahoma City Thunder 106 @ 111 San Antonio Spurs
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I can't believe "Bitcoiners" are still "on the fence" and talking about Ethereum...what you still don't get after Hearn made it pretty clear, is that Bitcoin is also NOT a currency, it has failed as a payment system, it's a complete joke. Ethereum can of course be a currency - anything can. The Euro is a currency even though Mr Draghi announced yesterday it was formally worthless by offering to pay people to borrow it. Maybe what you "still don't get" is why researchers spent 20 years trying to come up with something like bitcoin in the first place. Up until 2009, there was no "gold" analogue on electronic networks - an uncounterfeitable token that could be directly transferred peer to peer in the absence of a trusted counterparty. The bitcoin phenomenon broke that duck. The best that can be said about Ethereum in terms of store of value metaphors is that it's a leaky hot-air balloon. The "hot air" comes from the speculative expectation of accrued value. The "leaky" part comes from 2 sources: [1] - the huge emission trajectory [2] - the diverse range of investment targets that will be created by the ecosystem (i.e you're going to have to decide if you want to invest in the assets or the tokens and, although the capitalisation of the tokens will boost the value of the assets, the capitalisation of assets may not to the same for the tokens since many or most of them will be blockchain independent) Ethereum can go easily to $100 this year, $50 is a very real chance now not..... if it ever gets adopted and companies, banks and institutions around the world transactions and contracts would cost in Weis (like Satoshis) not $50 or $200... If Ether goes to $100, it will only do so if Bitcoin goes to $6000 IMHO. People are not trading the ETH/$USD market, they're trading BTC ratio who's trajectory is a whole different prospect from what you're citing. The bitcoin reward is getting close to halving. Ethereum, on the other hand is about to spew another 20 million coins into the supply over the next 12 months, shrinking your holding as a percentage of the coin supply by 28%. What will people do in this circumstance ? One of three things: [1] - use it to build assets, companies and blockchain-based products who's value DOES continue to accrue regardless of the value of Ether tokens [2] - dump it into a true, store-of-value bearer token such as bitcoin (or equivalent such as Dash where it even earns a return) [3] - hold Ethereum tokens, do nothing with them and watch them lose value against Bitcoin (even though they may gain value against the $USD) ...and that's exactly as was intended by the designers   Dude, Bitfinex is the first that jumped in and many others will do the same because they are bailing out of Bitcoin, they are at war. I'm talking about Coinbase, Circle, Xapo, etc. They won't jump ship in the next weeks but if Ethereum continues to rise and Bitcoin keeps the same stubborn attitude, they will be losing money and that's all it matters. They are not fanboys that think it's Bitcoin or nothing. Starting next week you can buy ETH with fiat so expect MANY exchanges and new investors flocking in, that's a fact. Many people invested a lot of money in BTC but never handle a wallet or authorization key. BTC is actually holding ETH back in my opinion. When investors can get ETH with fiat at many exchanges and sites, ETH will rise to $50 or even more. |
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Really? that is amazing news, I'll order a debit card soon and try it. I don't understand why people insist on selling Bitcoins for Paypal elsewhere if this is a viable and secure option...
There are a lot of reasons why some people buy using LB and others prefere debit cards. Do your own math about fees tho and beware of that: if you send money tru paypal to a family or friend using your xapo debit card as funding backup, you will have to pay xapo fee+paypal fee. Just do your own considerations pondering all sides: trustwhorty, security, fees etc etc Alright, yes of course but selling Bitcoins in LB for Paypal you don't only have the scam risk but also the fees are very high (specially for verified/trusted traders). As you had experience with this, suppose I have 1 BTC in my debit card and one to fund Paypal, at the current price how much ends up in my Paypal wallet? Well, this is a transaction i did last night 11.34pm UTC: i sent 140USD marked as family/friend. Paypal balance was zero so totally funded with debit card. I got 5.73 USD fee on xapo and 5.76 USD fee on paypal. Well yes now I see that's a pretty hefty sum but compared to selling those 140 USD in BTC at LB for paypal and then send it I guess it would be much more due to rates and fees that still apply... The real number would be what's the rate Xapo uses to convert BTC to USD...fees by themselves are not that intimidating but if they exchange your BTC to USD with a $380 value then we are in trouble hehe. |
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Really? that is amazing news, I'll order a debit card soon and try it. I don't understand why people insist on selling Bitcoins for Paypal elsewhere if this is a viable and secure option...
There are a lot of reasons why some people buy using LB and others prefere debit cards. Do your own math about fees tho and beware of that: if you send money tru paypal to a family or friend using your xapo debit card as funding backup, you will have to pay xapo fee+paypal fee. Just do your own considerations pondering all sides: trustwhorty, security, fees etc etc Alright, yes of course but selling Bitcoins in LB for Paypal you don't only have the scam risk but also the fees are very high (specially for verified/trusted traders). As you had experience with this, suppose I have 1 BTC in my debit card and want to fund Paypal, at the current price how much ends up in my Paypal wallet? |
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I can't believe "Bitcoiners" are still "on the fence" and talking about Ethereum is not a currency. I have literally read that some seconds ago. Not it's not a currency, Ethereum can perfectly thrive at the side of Bitcoin. However, what you still don't get after Hearn made it pretty clear, is that Bitcoin is also NOT a currency, it has failed as a payment system, it's a complete joke.
That doesn't mean it's the end, but it's clear useless if the intention was to pay for things with Bitcoin, no adoption whatsoever. Now as a digital way to store wealth, kinda like digital gold, yes, it has proven itself over time, it works even if the transactions are slow or has become "centralized" with just a few big players calling the shots.
Ethereum can go easily to $100 this year, $50 is a very real chance now not. People were betting if it would hit 1 Billion, lol...the bet should be more like if they can surpass Bitcoin market cap by next year. ETH has "only" 72 million with more coming each year after it stops. It was made to be highly divisible so of course they aimed for the sky on this, if it ever gets adopted and companies, banks and institutions around the world transactions and contracts would cost in Weis (like Satoshis) not $50 or $200...
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