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Ok, so far the not-so-much news about what you state why and what for you need all that info on users.
Now I am much more interested what flags the KYC on users, which freezes their account and funds until they comply? I refuse to comply to your KYC policy. What is the max amount of combined funds I may have? What kind of "suspicious transfers" (?!?) will flag me?
Being able to calculate the risk on MtGox would be a plus, and may keep me from going to another exchange like Intersango.
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Many valid questions here were never answered.
I, personally, won't hold my breath. But subscribing to this thread should be ok..
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Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins. For some reason they just seem shinier to me.  ..the most anonymous coins you can get, too! Ente with p2pool you get mined coins as in solo mining (it is solo mining with reward splitting). spiccioli. yep. :-) Ente |
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Plus I get to see Mined coins in my wallet instead of Received coins. For some reason they just seem shinier to me. ..the most anonymous coins you can get, too! Ente |
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p2pool is ONE and ONLY true decentralized p2p pool. Rest of them depends on server!
IE Bitpenny fail over is to... solo mining when server is unavailable!
But then, solo mining may be better than poolmining to begin with! :-) Bitcoin-network-health-wise, that is. Ente |
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Did you guys see the current pool stats on bitcoinwatch.com?  p2pool third, deepbit seventh and almost out of the graph! :-D Ente [yes, this is found blocks, not "real" hashrate] |
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but it makes the game more fun that way, you could have 2 servers , one for young audience , the other for those who want serious PvP
otherwise i wouldn't be interested , there are plenty of other games i would rather play that have PvP
what will be the unique selling point of the game, what would make me interested and play (for me btc currency in the game + PvP)
I am all for PvP! It is indeed more fun and more immersive. But then, if players calculate through chances and don't take risks because loss of "real stuff" is imminent, the fun surely lessens. I want to be able to annoy other players which are two heads above me, get killed eventually, have some lulz and not lose real world assets or too much time (by losing experience, gold, items). Thats my, more or less recreational, view. But then, with nyhm's last post, it is clear now anyway. Ente |
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I want to be able to say create a thief class character and steal BTC from other players or from guild HQ 'bank'
I don't think that is a good idea.. It seems too scary for the targeted audience, which is youngsters with much time but low/no money. Getting 0.1 Bitcoin stolen will be reason enough to quit for some of them. Remember all the drama caused here in the forum by individuals who probably lost single-digit Bitcoin on one of the scams? In WoW, for example, you don't even lose gear when you die. You have some penalty, but no experience or gear or gold is lost. Ente |
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Nice to see more movement again in the Bitcoin+Gaming department!
I, personally, would not buy in-game items for real-world money. Not because of the money (I payd monthly fees before), but because I want to do that stuff by myself. Including grinding several days for a silly, useless pet dragon. That was many years ago, but still.. ;-)
There seems to be a big market for such semi-useless prestige things. Like special pets and mounts for special-edition buyers, for example. That stuff gets expensive on ebay too!
I suggest that everything is possible without paying (monthly fees not counted here). Even if it is ten times slower to reach the same by "hand". A lot of people would probably not join or quit once they understand paying BTC as inevitable.
So the BTC thing is strictly one-way? You cant dump a bag of GP and receive Bitcoin? If you implemented that, you have a good chance to make it viral instantly. Sure, you will have lots and lots of farmers (if it all works well). But with some clever algo it should work, automatically adjusting the buy and sell price according to the in-game market. Even if the sell price is just a tenth of the buy price, there will be farmers (kiddies and professionals) as well as buyers.
Don't underestimate virability and crowds :-)
(Again, Stephenson's REAMDE comes to mind..)
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Thank you DnT, very informative as always!
So, the current option to use a cointumbler (everyone sends bitcoin there, bitcoin are mixed, everyone gets random bitcoin back) isn't that far from the (bitcoin-possible) optimum, and the proposal in the paper would not add significant anonymity, if any..?
Basically, the part about aggregators reads almost the same as instawallet to me.
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Each incident helps to raise the bar a bit higher and eventually, the 'shit' will get weeded out of the community and a precedent set that will make it more difficult for scammers to operate, let alone even start up within the community.
Well, as Bitcoin grows, a LOT of new users will join. Eventually, the whole ecosystem will be spread over dozen forums, communities and projects, amking it harder for everyone to follow everything. Bitcoin will stay the scammer's paradise for a while, I think.. Lesson lerned, sure. For everyone who got burned. Hopefully. :-) Ente |
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I calculated through this: Captchatrader pays 7 credits per solved captcha on their website. You cash out a dollar for 1000 credits. That is 143 captchas solved per cent. Now I dont know how many captchas you could solve in an hour.. You can both solve captchas and let others solve your captchas. I think that service is mostly used for downloading with jdownloader automatically. Its not hacking, but not exactly a sustainable business concept neither. The difference between "receive 7" and "pay 10" is what the webpage earns. With the benefits Bitcoin has, and other sub-cent-work showing up (coinworker), I wonder if captchasolving for Bitcoin would actually work out for people? What would you people say is the minimum per "workstep" and per hour for a business? Globally? Ente |
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Not ONE, not a single ONE player advocating bitcoins turned up What do you think is the reason for this? 1) Bitcoiners not players 2) Bitcoiners not interested in actually supporting bitcoin 3) Bitcoiners not going to work their way through i2p For me its 3), by the way. Ente |
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I would say the "difficulty 1 shares" are close enough as an estimate of hashing power. They are easy enough to find and other pools use them for calculating the payout (and surely the pool's hashpower) too. So, if we can be sure the "number of diff-1-shares submitted between the last share and this share" is correct, I would use it as the base of all later calculations. - The actual number of "difficulty 1" shares submitted before the block was found. Note, that since we don't actually know how many "difficulty 1" shares were submitted, [..]
I don't understand that. Sounds contradictious to me? Ente[/list] |
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The dead shares are not relevant to the bad luck since they can actually solve for a block and result in everyone getting rewarded. P2Pool does look at them and double check if they solve a block before reporting back to cgminer as 'rejected'. The type of problem we are looking for is exactly the opposite actually.. ie someone who is successfully submitting non-orphan, non-doa shares, but yet not finding any blocks. I can only think of far fetched scenarios under which this might happen but here are two such examples: 1) Someone modifies their p2pool code so they submit shares as normal but never submit a block. Stupid and unlikely, but theoretically possible.2) Some obscure bug in some combination of bitcoind and p2pool, such that rarely a found block fails to be passed on to bitcoind (and yet shares and getworks continue to flow freely, the bug would have to only affect the case where it is an actual block solve) As an example of 2), if anyone finds this line in your logs, congratulations.. you are the problem  "Error while processing potential block" About 1): Every miner working on Bitcoin, no matter if pool, solo or p2pool, has to decide what he wants to deliver before he finds the hash. That is because he has first to decide *what* to hash, then try a billion variances of that data, then, if/when he finds a valid hash, he can not change the data to still have a valid hash. Exactly that discussion came up some weeks ago about the share-difficulty: 1) decide which share difficulty you work on, i.e. 600 or 2000 2) hash a million nonces, where you are allowed to change a "non-important" part of the data for every try, so you get a different hash result 3) eventually, a hash reaches the (in 1) decided upon) target. that means the first x letters of the hash are zero 4) submit exactly the block you solved (including the exact transactions and random nonce data) to the pool, or bitcoin, or p2pool network 5) profit what you try: 3) you found a block+nonce combination with a valid hash. lets say you worked on "600 difficulty" data, which you decided in 1). You now luckily and randomly found a hash with much more zeros than needed for "600", in fact it would pass a difficulty of "5000"! 4a) thinking "yay, I want to be paied out for those "5000" now, not just the stinky "600"! 4b) you take that exact block+nonce and edit that "this is a 600 block" to "this is a 5000 block lol" 4c) you hash that block+nonce from 4b) 4d) you get an entirely different hash, which surely won't even pass a "1" target. crash and burn. I wrote that example about p2pool share difficulty because I find it easier to understand. The point is, you have no chance to change the block+nonce to still have the same or a similar hash. The hash, and the hash only decides upon "jackpot" or "totally worthless". And, of course, all important data is included in the block. Actually that stuff is called coinbase, and, for example, includes the hash of the block before too, among other stuff. Now when you work on p2pool shares, it includes both the "p2pool share data" as well as the "bitcoin block data". Any manipulation will change the hash, so if you strip the p2pool part of the data you found a valid hash for, the hash does not fit any more. (I didnt read about the details yet, the combination of both p2pool- and bitcoindata is quite clever, else we couldn't ever solve a bitcoinblock at all.. merge mining is on the same topic) The only thing you, as a p2pool miner, can do, is drop the valid bitcoin block hash you found. No profit for the p2pool gang, but obviously no profit for you neither. The only effect this has is it will make the "luck" graph look bad. Which is exactly what we are talking about, of course.. Hope that helps, and correct anything I got wrong! Ente |
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Strange, I could see the pics in firefox, where I uploaded them with. In another browser I couldnt see them neither.
I reuploaded to another host, hope it works now.
Thanks for the info, you two.
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Ente, I'm not able to see your images, I had to answer your message and copy and paste urls (safari and firefox on a mac).
In this answer I've removed the img tag from the quote so that the url is clickable.
spiccioli
Thanks for the info. I can see the images fine in that post.. Will check and repair. Any one else, do you see the three pics? Ente |
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Ich bin entzückt!
Flott und unterhaltsam geschrieben, deckt die wichtigen Punkte ab, erklärt es auch für Laien gut, inhaltlich Daumen hoch!
Ist die Printversion identisch zur Onlineversion, falls jemand beides zur Hand hat? Oder sind in der Printversion andere Photos?
Freut mich, dass es ein so guter Artikel wurde!
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