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1861  Other / Meta / What's with the "activity" number? on: June 22, 2013, 06:32:12 PM
I'm not sure where to post this.  What happened to post count?  And what does the number after "activity" actually mean?
1862  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: POLL: Allow dust transactions in Bitcoin? (5430 satoshis or less) on: June 22, 2013, 06:26:32 PM
It seems to me that services like coinbox.me allow you to have your cake and eat it too when it comes to tiny transactions.  Why not just go with a service like that if you are inclined to send out small transactions?  Then the recipient can just pick it up along with all his faucet earnings.
1863  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: AskDevs (a solution to the controversy and quality problems with Devtome) on: June 22, 2013, 06:08:58 PM
Here's a variation to consider--might be an easier way to start.

Have a form on the Devtome or related to the Devtome where people can submit what it is they most want to read.  It could be a type of fiction story, an answer to a burning question, or anything, really, as long as the request is specific.  For example, instead of saying: "I like to read fiction," they should say "I'd like to read a thriller in which a hostile government attempts to destroy a promising cryptocoin by adding a malicious bug to automatic software updates which systematically deletes people's wallets and a band of scrappy computer hacks saves the day."  BTW, my "example" is referencing this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237284.0) in case anyone is curious as to how I came up with it Wink

Submissions could be posted (following some screening process) and Devtome writers could choose to take on those subjects.  Rather than having the one who submitted the request put up a bounty, just have those stories count double or something.  So if I wrote a 30,000 word short novel covering the above topic, then rather than earning 30 shares I'd earn 60, just because I wrote something that someone else said they wanted to read.  Any multiplier could work; I just use 2 as an example.  I'd still earn 1 share for every thousand words I wrote that was just my own choice of content.

If there are enough people submitting requests, they could probably be categorized and aggregated and maybe increased rewards given for people writing content which has been requested multiple times.  

Along with that, you would need a systematic way to keep track of people's emails (something you'd want to do anyway) and then sending them a message when their request has been fulfilled.  Along with that, you could build in a small reward system for those users (not writers but people who request specific types of content to read)  who then share the content written for them with their friends--maybe some small number of devcoins for each view a unique link to their requested article brings.  Maybe the writer could also earn some portion of referrals as well?

I'm not a computer person, so I'm not sure how feasible the above idea is, nor how easy it would be to exploit.  I'm assuming the computer people can figure that out and come up with appropriate countermeasures if this is something that should move forward.  An obvious issue that comes to mind is that someone who submits a request for content cannot be the same person as the writer who fulfills the request.  Also, submissions themselves would have to be vetted as being sent by real, unique people (no repeats).

From a writer perspective, a Devtome writer should be able to "reserve" a request and have a limited and reasonable time in which that writer has exclusive right to answer the request (although in the above example, there's probably no good reason there couldn't be five or ten thrillers written that fulfill it, and that would be fine as long as each writer was adequately compensated).  I personally would want to avoid the scenario where I'm in competition with other writers to produce the "best" answer and it's a winner take all reward, which is why I suggest having a limited time where if you accept a request it's all yours.  But if you sit on it beyond that time, then it goes back into the pool and another writer can snag it.

Anyway, some ideas to go along with your original idea.  And I say, this is getting long enough that I should just turn it into a Devtome article Wink  If others add their thoughts, maybe I will put together an article that compiles them all or something (it can be difficult to keep information organized in these threads if they get long enough...).

1864  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] DVC Faucet:Get 5 FREE Devcoin! and additional 20 DVCs! 150 more DVCs! on: June 22, 2013, 01:23:23 PM
So I received my 100 DVCs yesterday or today for keeping the Devtome link in my signature.  I notice that promotion is still on the faucet.  Can I put in my ID again for another week?
1865  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 22, 2013, 11:36:39 AM
Also, I think you should probably update the info about DVB on Cryptostocks, because it's kind of difficult figuring out what you are actually investing on. Reading the actual DVB thread here sort of helps, but honestly, I'm still mostly clueless about DVB, and I'd like to invest in something that I understand.

I agree.  I have bought a couple shares of DVB with my faucet earnings and as a way ro learn how the site works.  But I am also unclear on what I am investing in.  I would need to know much more before I would be willing to buy in any significant quantity.

EDIT:

...but if someone just wants to make money, they are going to invest all their DVC into ASICMINER. Undecided

I am guessing this is the reason the DVC asicminer pt share is currently overvalued.  That will likely continue to be the case until there are more DVC investment options.
1866  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 22, 2013, 04:46:56 AM
Ezine contributes so little with its backlinks that it's really worthless. A few years ago they were good, but the quality started dropping quickly (they accept some horrible articles -- I've tested this myself) and the value of the links went down as a result.

The pay is the huge concern to me. As an example, someone can write 1k words about a movie they like a lot easier than someone can write 1k words on astrophysics theories. Their value, therefore, is vastly different and should be treated as such.

About Ezine, I was mainly making the point that they manually review submissions and will reject articles which don't meet their specifications, and that had much to do with their success.  This means that 1, real human eyes are important, may even be vital, for an effort like Devtome; and 2, specifications or standards about what is considered acceptable content is also necessary if reviewers/editors are to make any sort of objective assessment of the content they are reviewing.  The value of Ezine for backlinking and traffic generation today relative to a few years ago is probably best discussed on an Internet marketing forum, so I won't argue about that point here Smiley

Wondering if a good place to start exploring is with this question:  What exactly is trying to be accomplished with the Devtome?  Related to that, what kind of content would best move that vision forward?

Once those questions are answered and clearly expressed, then followup questions would pertain to the specific content requirements, and then those requirements should be clearly posted so as to attract the writers who are able to write to those specifications while encouraging writers who do not write to those specifications to move on.

Having said all that, I do recognize that part of the vision of Devtome is to give freedom to writers to be creative and express themselves, and it would seem that having content requirements would work against that.  I don't have an answer at this point.  As a professional writer I can write to just about any specifications if it's a good job.  As a creative writer, I really like the current freedom to just write about whatever I feel like writing about.  The latter is definitely easier and more fun, but is it really what the Devtome needs?
1867  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 22, 2013, 04:33:11 AM
Agreed on all counts. ASCMDVCPT is awesome because it generates BTC from dividends and turns them into DVC, which raises the exchange rate, and offsets all the selling off of DVC that is happening. Unfortunately, right now ASCMDVCPT shares are overvalued - I just sold off about half my shares and was able to by nearly 20x of the equivalent shares by buying TAT.ASICMINER shares instead. I think this could potentially be solved by twobits/FuzzyBear buying a few more passthrough shares and issuing more ASCMDVCPT shares for a more reasonable price. Without competitive share prices, people are just going to sell their DVC for BTC and invest in ASICMINER directly. Perhaps someone could offer a service that acts sort of like ASCMDVCPT, but with the price fixed to the TAT.ASICMINER value?

That was something I was going to ask Fuzzy over on the Devcoin forum--if the ASIC Miner pass through share price was actually tied to the actual price of an ASIC Miner share, as in 1/1000 of whatever an ASIC miner share is worth these days, or if the price is merely based on how many devcoins people are willing to pay for that share on the Cryptostocks exchange.

Since ASIC miner shares have a price that's easy to look up, if they are selling for more than that on Cryptostocks, wouldn't that serve to further devalue the Devcoins?  I mean, wouldn't the exchange rate of DVC relative to BTC then adjust to reflect an equivalent value for the ASIC Miner PT share?  At any rate, it's a good reminder for me to check how the price of the ASIC miner DVC PT share translates into BTC *before* placing a buy order on Cryptostocks.
1868  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 22, 2013, 03:26:21 AM
i agree aswell with this argument, so basicaly this is the layering of the voting, this system has to be worked out in a way that all actual guys in charge has a tool to work with, but by now they just the have contributed texts probably page views.

ranio, what would you suggest?

I'm still working on coming up with a working solution. Essentially what I'm working on is finding something that is very difficult to exploit. So far everything I've seen tossed out is easy to manipulate.

It's definitely an interesting discussion though, and I'm always up for hearing new ideas people have. Coming up with a great solution has been ridiculously difficult, and the more people that are able to get involved, the harder it gets (ex. with voting systems).

One issue I've been having to try and work around is the fact that non-writers are allowed to join in, as well as those that write in other languages. As a direct example of what I am used to as a writer, it's more of a tiered approach, and I think it may work here as well if it's adapted in some way (I'm also willing to help work on coming up with a solid way of handling it). Essentially what has worked the best is to turn it into what you would expect from a job:

1) You are starting out as a newbie (generally) so you get paid minimum wage
2) If you aren't doing a good job, you're let go. If you are, move to #3
3) As your skills improve, you are promoted to a higher rank (and therefore higher pay)

The hard part here is determining 1) what the ranks should be and 2) how to determine promotions.

Some people may take this the wrong way, but it's the truth: not all writing is equal, nor should all writers be paid the same. Much like three mathematics professors will get paid different wages depending on their knowledge and experience, writers for DVC should be treated as separate people. It goes along the same lines as when you hire a writer. You can find someone to write an article for you at the cost of $5, but the quality will be noticeably different from someone who has more experience and charges more. While the cost for this other writer may be $30 per article, the quality is better and they are well worth the extra cost.

EzineArticles.com is probably the most respected article directory.  Writers contribute articles for free in exchange for the ability to backlink from a high page ranking site.  Each article is manually reviewed and accepted.  If you want quality and not just quantity or word count you may not be able to get around needing to have real people review content, in which case you have to consider a bounty for reviewers/editors.  I suppose proven writers could earn more relative to how much less effort reviewers need to expend evaluating and cleaning up their material.
1869  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 21, 2013, 11:48:52 PM
Sorry for not being active on this thread. While I'm here, is there anything I should add? (Any new services, or Devcoin related threads.)

By the way.. What's up with recent threads like this? - Seems like a Pump N' Dump to me..

Edit: Just realized most of these threads were made by Fin Shaggy. What's up with that?


One thing I'd really like to see more of is ways to invest Devcoins in sound companies.  I'm reading up on the ASIC miner DVC pass through share listed on Cryptostocks and the ASIC miner company itself and liking what I'm learning so far in terms of feeling that would be a good investment.  I'd like to see more opportunities like this.

Regarding propping up the Devcoin, here's the issue as I see it.  Right now, there isn't a whole lot to do with Devtome earnings other than trade them for BTC (to eventually trade for dollars or other national currency depending on where you live), or to just trade DVC directly to national currency.  Unfortunately, selling DVC off immediately after earning them devalues them further, which is a big problem in terms of earnings.  So, I can see the temptation to try to artificially prop up DVC value by listing them for a penny or other currently unattainably high value and trying to recruit others into doing so as well.  If that's what you choose to do as a way to help DVC, I guess that's fine.  However I don't see it as my obligation to prop up DVC value just because I'm writing for Devtome and earning them.  When it comes to what I will do with my earnings I need to make a decision based on what's best for me, and that's how it should be when it comes to currency.  Otherwise, you can try all you want to promote the currency and urge others to hold onto it or whatever, but it won't work.  There needs to be a self-interest reason for keeping DVC.  In my opinion, solid investments involving DVC would make keeping them more attractive.  If DVC is falling relative to BTC, then if I can put my DVC in an investment that makes them grow (i.e., returns me more of them) faster than the rate at which they are losing value relative to BTC, then I still come out ahead.  Without that I'd be more tempted to panic sell.  And I think the result of me putting some DVC in such investments would in turn provide positive feedback to the value of DVC.
1870  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Cryptostocks Security Certificate Expired on: June 21, 2013, 10:36:30 PM
I know how to bypass the security.  I'm just wondering if that's such a good idea...
1871  Economy / Service Discussion / Cryptostocks Security Certificate Expired on: June 21, 2013, 01:08:49 PM
I have an account with Cryptostocks and right now I can't log into their site using my regular computer because Chrome refuses to read its site saying it can't tell whether Cryptostocks owns the site or an attacker is now controlling it.

I checked Cryptostocks' profile and it looks like he/she hasn't been active on this forum since February.  Does anyone here know them and can bring this problem to their attention?

In the mean time, what are other people who have an account with them doing to be able to keep trading, etc.?
1872  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Cryptostocks - BTC,DVC,LTC denominated Stock Exchange/Crowdfunding Platform on: June 21, 2013, 12:55:27 PM
I can't open this site on my regular computer either.  When will the certificate be updated?
1873  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 20, 2013, 01:23:30 AM
So I clicked on the account 25 link and it says there are 0 Devtome earnings.  I added some content yesterday. How soon will the account 25 page update, or how long is the lag between time content is added and time word count from that content shows up as Devtome shares?

It should be updated once the script has been run again. I am sure that http://d.evco.in/charity/devtome_25.csv is the link for the devtome earnings.

And when/how frequently does that happen? 

Lots of noob questions I know...
1874  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Devtome: Get Hundreds of Thousands of free Devcoins for writing on: June 19, 2013, 10:54:20 PM
Two noob questions:
1) which round are we in right now? (and isn't the payout on July 3rd)?
2) how can I tell how many words I have written right now?

Thanks Smiley

1) 25 which ends on block 97k, 3rd july-ish is start of payout for round 24 on block 96k (basically payout is done with blocks, so right now with each block round 23 is being paid out until 3rd july etc...then moves in 4k block rounds forward).
2) output of daily scripts are here: devcoin scripts  'devtome earnings 25' will give a breakdown for wordcount in this round. It's empty at the moment and I'd guess this is because the receiver files for round 24 were checked and finalised yesterday, making sure everybody had a wallet etc; so from tomorrow they'll indicate the round 25 word counts, including any rollover from the cut-off time beteen round 24 and now). Check 'devtome earnings 24' for an example. 'receiver_summary.txt' gives the running total receiver lines for the round.

Thanks!
1875  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [DVC]DevCoin - Official Thread - Moderated on: June 19, 2013, 10:52:06 PM
So I clicked on the account 25 link and it says there are 0 Devtome earnings.  I added some content yesterday. How soon will the account 25 page update, or how long is the lag between time content is added and time word count from that content shows up as Devtome shares?
1876  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Round 24 Receiver on: June 19, 2013, 09:23:58 PM

Hey Unthinkingbit,

Would it be too much trouble to post the unofficial earnings for the next round about once or twice a week so we can get an idea of where things are heading?

You may probably refer to http://d.evco.in/charity/ for some infos, specifically http://d.evco.in/charity/receiver_summary.txt. these file updated daily at UTC 00:30.


Thanks!

The receiver file for round 25 is helpful.  Is there a similar page which shows each writer's to date word count?
1877  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Round 24 Receiver on: June 19, 2013, 01:07:30 AM
The round 24 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_24.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_24.csv

There were 1277 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 1277 = 140,955 dvc. At the current price of 0.885 btc/Mdvc, that is 0.125 btc/share. At the current price of 108 $/btc, that is 13 $/share. Administrator pay is 85.0 shares, 6.7 percent of the total.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 24, starting at block 96,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

The next bounties will go into round 25:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_25.csv

On Alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/devtome.com#

the 3 month pageviews are 0.0000074% and the 1 month pageviews are 0.0000038%.

Hey Unthinkingbit,

Would it be too much trouble to post the unofficial earnings for the next round about once or twice a week so we can get an idea of where things are heading?
1878  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] DVC Faucet:Get 5 FREE Devcoin! and additional 20 DVCs! 150 more DVCs! on: June 14, 2013, 11:41:20 PM
FINALLY!

I just applied for the job  Smiley

Thanks Emfox for the 20 DVCs!
1879  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Faucet updated on: June 14, 2013, 11:37:50 PM

I will go for this.  I got the signature line. Now I just have to wait for a new round to start on the faucet before I can officially apply  Wink

You need not wait, just apply now. The bitcointalk check logic is running right before the IP/Address check logic.


It's just that I already added my address in this round.
1880  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] DVC Faucet:Get 5 FREE Devcoin! and additional 20 DVCs! 150 more DVCs! on: June 14, 2013, 11:05:58 PM
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Oh, and can someone please add their address to the faucet to complete round 96?  Just one more will do it.
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