Back to the staking, am I better off locking my wallet 24 hours before the end of PoW so my coins don't stake. When the growth period starts I then can unlock the wallet, will the coins stake pretty much straightaway if they haven't staked for > 24 hours?
That would be my plan Will all the coins stake at once? Or will they stake as they are ready? So for example, if I mine continuously during the mining period and stake as soon as coins mature, then wouldn't I have some coins staking at different times? I'm thinking that would be another way to make sure I'm taking full advantage of the growth period. Some of my coins wouldn't manage to stake all 7 times but some would. Someone who bought into the ICO and is not mining could potentially set this up by sending all their coins to a different wallet, like their Bittrex address, and then divide into a series of deposits back to their wallet timed every four hours or so so that they have to reset maturity and then stake at different times. Would this even work? For the other POS coins I've had, the first time they stake (ie. if a wallet is just unlocked, or a single deposit matures), any mature coins would stake at the same time the first time. But when you get the coins back, they are split up, so the next time they stake, it would stake in multiples of smaller amounts, and split even further the next time they stake. So by the end of 7 days you stake many, many times at small amounts. I'm not sure how it'll all happen when you stake 1000 coins on day 5 and get rewarded with a chunk of 3690, but cryptzo made it sound like everyone staking would be in the same boat with lots of small multiples and possible a fraction of everyones coins not getting the final stake at 269%. If it affects everyone equally, then it's not a problem. My PINK coins stake hundreds of times a day now, even though my initial deposits were in 2 large chunks. Great! Then I can let the staking happen as it will knowing that at least some of my coins will get the maximum benefit from the growth period. |
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Back to the staking, am I better off locking my wallet 24 hours before the end of PoW so my coins don't stake. When the growth period starts I then can unlock the wallet, will the coins stake pretty much straightaway if they haven't staked for > 24 hours?
That would be my plan Will all the coins stake at once? Or will they stake as they are ready? So for example, if I mine continuously during the mining period and stake as soon as coins mature, then wouldn't I have some coins staking at different times? I'm thinking that would be another way to make sure I'm taking full advantage of the growth period. Some of my coins wouldn't manage to stake all 7 times but some would. Someone who bought into the ICO and is not mining could potentially set this up by sending all their coins to a different wallet, like their Bittrex address, and then divide into a series of deposits back to their wallet timed every four hours or so so that they have to reset maturity and then stake at different times. Would this even work? |
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This is what I sent cryptzo about this buggy mandatory update.
Seedcoin's latest mandatory update is a ticking time bomb. When PoS weight changes, the current wallet will no longer accept the old historical blockchain. This could cause just minor issues like wallet not syncing, but it may also allow a malicious actor to orphan every PoS block minted and not checkpointed, since the wallet will no longer see the proper blockchain as valid.
You need to use blocktime or something, not GetTime. SEED should have future time drift protection for blocktimes, so they can only set their clock ahead by like 2 hours or 15 minutes or something like that and their blocks still be valid
As an aside, this is why you should use block height, instead of a time for forking.. it makes issues like these never even possible
To fork in the future, it's actually best to use block time (edit: of the best block). But yeah, grabbing the system time is not a good approach. Yeah the grabbing of the system time was just a panic fix to stop the forking. I originally used the block time (of the block being tested) and that clearly had serious issues. The historical blockchain will be valid at least until the weight down-stepping, which I honestly put zero thought into when I kneejerked GetTime into that thinking about the current forking issues. I'll put a fix out for this, but in the meantime the current wallet should be able to coincide with the upcoming fixed wallet without causing a major fork. As for the edit tx42 suggested, I don't want to steal his thunder. Honestly I'm just really really tired right now and having a hard time following his admittedly very clear code. I don't want to worry about forks right now, and I can't think well enough to wrap my head around it right now. But like I told him, I will later on today. Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. I'll get through this. But I'm happy to have the help and another set of eyes on the code when I'm tired. So thank you for your help. If nothing is going to blow up in the next three hours or so, a nap may be your best strategy right now. Then the code (and everything else) will look clearer. Thanks for all your hard work. I'm having an absolutely fabulous time mining seed right now  |
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Alright, I heard from cryptzo by PM!
He's on top of this and is looking seriously at my patch. He's just very tired. Hopefully he can muster the fortitude to knock out an update before he crashes.
This is a good sign guys. I know devs.
+1 Go Cryptzo! hang in there. Sending you virtual coffee (or whatever type of food/beverage you use for a quick energy boost) |
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Do you have contact with all the pools too? They would have to update to your fork as well--at least this week They'll update if a good working fork is posted and the exchange takes it. OK. Well, I think it's the community which makes a coin strong, and we're seeing it here. Hopefully your patch will get applied before the potential for conflict arises. I'm guessing Cryptzo has a lot on his plate right now and when he sees it will very gladly check it off his long to do list and give you full credit. At least, that's what I would do if it were me (and you were right about the need for the patch--which I lack the technical know-how to be able to determine on my own). Anyway, I like coins where the wallets don't blow up every few days or so. Been there, done that with NXT, but it's all working great now and even going places. |
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ok i restart the wallet with a new config but now the wallet does not sync anymore
anyone have more suggestions to fix ?
I sent cryptzo a fix. Hopefully he checks it out. I've helped with this exact problem in other coins. tanx , my wallet is pending between sync and not sync , but the coin that are in stake now , they stay stuck at 1 confirmation so i hope i can use my seedcoins as the way it is meant to I have bought a lot of seed. It's going to suck if he doesn't fix this problem because of pride or something. I'm starting to get that feeling. I've worked with a lot of developers on coins. If the network is still deteriorating in 10 or so hours, I'll offer a community fork. I know the bittrex people. They'll update to my fork in a heartbeat. Let's hope it doesn't come to that, but if you did that, would you also provide an updated version of the QT client and would it do the staking thing as advertised? I would. Do you have contact with all the pools too? They would have to update to your fork as well--at least this week |
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ok i restart the wallet with a new config but now the wallet does not sync anymore
anyone have more suggestions to fix ?
I sent cryptzo a fix. Hopefully he checks it out. I've helped with this exact problem in other coins. tanx , my wallet is pending between sync and not sync , but the coin that are in stake now , they stay stuck at 1 confirmation so i hope i can use my seedcoins as the way it is meant to I have bought a lot of seed. It's going to suck if he doesn't fix this problem because of pride or something. I'm starting to get that feeling. I've worked with a lot of developers on coins. If the network is still deteriorating in 10 or so hours, I'll offer a community fork. I know the bittrex people. They'll update to my fork in a heartbeat. Let's hope it doesn't come to that, but if you did that, would you also provide an updated version of the QT client and would it do the staking thing as advertised? |
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It's important to understand, your ability to stake works in 24 hour periods, it's time based. 1440 blocks is just the number of blocks that there is expected to be in a 24 hour period of time. If 1440 blocks go by in 20 hours, people that staked early will still have to wait another 4 hours before they can stake again. The staking system is all clock time based, but the growth period is implemented in block time. All staking coins behave that way. In truth, the growth period is just a really, really high interest staking period. Insanely high. That's why there had to be so few coins. Too many, and I'd be trying to stake with a doge sized coinbase.
So then back to one of my previous questions, as you can only stake in 24hr time periods, and the growth period is by blocks, ending with block 20100, what if the blocks are found faster during growth and we hit block 20100 in 6.5 days. Are the people still waiting to get their final day 7 stake completed, since it had not been 24 hours yet for their coins to mature, out of luck? I'd like to know this too. Since that last staking would be the most significant, it would be kind of a bummer to miss out on it. On the other hand, if the missing out was evenly distributed, it would just mean a smaller total supply cap, which could translate into better exchange prices. So it may be a wash. |
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I'm really glad I found this coin. I find the growth strategy very interesting and potentially very profitable. A question about how staking works: Is there a certain number of confirmations needed for coins to be mature? 1440? And then, once coins "stake," do they then need another 1440 blocks before they "stake" again? I'm really looking forward to that experience. In the mean time, gonna mine all I can now |
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tl:dr; Staking wouldn't be so damn hard if more coins were bought from the ICO. Everyone's going to stake 1000x easier soon though.
And that happens in around 9 hours--staking being easier for smaller balances? Based on that week growth period of the coin, followed by the various tiers of annual interest over the next five years, what would you say is the highest amount of SEED that will be in circulation in the next year, two years, five years? Oh, so it's closer to one seed producing 10,000 new seed. So, that would bring my previous estimate up to 10,680,000 for a supply cap, but that is not counting the 16 percent annual interest that follows. I just asked in another post for an estimate of the supply cap for this coin. |
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tl:dr; Staking wouldn't be so damn hard if more coins were bought from the ICO. Everyone's going to stake 1000x easier soon though.
And that happens in around 9 hours--staking being easier for smaller balances? Based on that week growth period of the coin, followed by the various tiers of annual interest over the next five years, what would you say is the highest amount of SEED that will be in circulation in the next year, two years, five years? |
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There were about ~68 ICO coins, with a potential 1000 mined coins.
So... this is going to be a scarce coin? Because you still will only be able to mine 1000 coins (that doesn't seem to be impacted by number purchased during ICO) But then, those 68 ICO coins plus 1000 mined coins (assuming they all get mined), if they all stake during the growth period at 269% a day, (and I'm just estimating here based on this 1 seed could produce 1000 coins during growth period statistic I saw earlier), the total supply would be capped at 1,068,000 SEED? Am I understanding this correctly? |
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Do staking coins remove PoW blocks from the mining phase?
Yes. No more blocks can be mined after block 10100. Any blocks staked before block 10100 displace what would have otherwise been a mined block. What does that mean? It means the more people stake before growth, the less coins that get mined. Everyone will have a much easier time staking in a little over 9 hours. And we're actually running behind on blocks. We should be roughly on block 3952 by now, and instead we're on 3750. So we're 200 blocks behind schedule, which is just under 3 hours. That doesn't bother me too much (if I understand you correctly). I'm a miner so I'm all for a bit longer time for mining being more productive. It looks like I made a good decision to rent about 10 hours worth of extra hashing power about an hour ago |
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Do staking coins remove PoW blocks from the mining phase?
Yes. No more blocks can be mined after block 10100. Any blocks staked before block 10100 displace what would have otherwise been a mined block. What does that mean? Since it's a shared stake (POS) and mined (POW) blockchain, for each block that is found by staking, that is one less block that can be mined. It then reduces the total number of mined coins by 0.1 per block that is found by staking. The more coins staked, the fewer mined, the greater % of total supply you have with your staking coins. Had the ICO been more productive, and 1000 ICO coins sold, it would be a very different world for miners and be much more difficult for them to find blocks assuming those 1000 coins were all staking.
Thanks for the explanation. I guess blocks found from staking explains some of the discrepancy I'm sensing in estimated and actual mining rewards. My next question was going to be: How many coins were bought during the ICO? I just got in on this yesterday with mining so all my skin in the game is going to come through mining. I'm hoping to mine a nice amount for the growth period. |
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Do staking coins remove PoW blocks from the mining phase?
Yes. No more blocks can be mined after block 10100. Any blocks staked before block 10100 displace what would have otherwise been a mined block. What does that mean? |
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I lost my coins at minerpool! in my Transactions page no TX# cant payout!  please check it ASAP my address is sXM3K7UgUAmgdLSzZEMoLYkbCYNZTY5cag Alright. I'm really sorry for the delay. I haven't been able to keep on top of the thread because I've been pulling my hair out trying to get things sorted node wise, but it's clear while I've been busy that a stable fork has emerged. Here's the pools I can absolutely confirm are on the right fork right now
lifeforce
suchpool
supernova
hashlink
goldmine.es has been hard at work bringing their pool onto the right fork, so they may be as well, but I can't tell because I can't find any difficulty or block information on their site.
minerpools is unfortunately NOT on the right fork.
Minerpools is not on the right fork. Make sure you're on the right fork too. go to help > debug window and type getblock 0000000000317ba2e4f96df08cd53223bfe77b4666c5873c196f96c886b7f6ec If you don't get an error, you're on the right fork. If you do, update to the latest wallet (which is a mandatory update), clear your blockchain, and resync. but before forked where is my money? can you connect the pool owner to fix it? If you earned your coins on the correct fork, before it split off, then your coins will be in the pool after it is updated to the most recent wallet. Then you will be able to withdraw, as long as your wallet is on the correct fork. who is the minerpool owner? I have some funds tied up on minerpool too and hoping to recover at least some of them. I was mining there at night and not sure when the bad fork happened. I'm lucky in that I was manually withdrawing up until I called it a night so at least I have those coins. At most I only lost 7 hours worth of mining (ouch!), but less if the fork happened later than 11pm my time. I'm glad I decided to check on this first thing in the morning, and got my rigs switched to LifeForce |
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I'm doing this. It still thinks I only need to go to block 3544. EDIT: Oh wait, never mind. My wallet it now synced and at block 3704. I had to create that conf file. Do I just delete it? Or empty out the lines and have a blank one? EDIT: I deleted the connect lines from the .conf file and just have a blank one now. And my wallet is at 3710 and I can tell it's now keeping up. So I think I'm back in business. Thanks! alright. If you're sure you've got the latest wallet, then open up %appdata%/seedcoin and edit seedcoin.conf (make it if you don't already have one) and put the following lines in it:
connect=185.45.192.191
connect=198.144.184.175
connect=199.127.226.221
save the file, close the wallet if it's open, and delete everything in that folder except wallet.dat and seedcoin.conf then start the wallet again.
It will take some time, as you'll be placing the entire burden of syncing on the nodes, and they probably wont allow you to connect right away since you've been on the wrong node, but it will eventually. Once you're all sync'd up then delete those lines from your seedcoin.conf or you wont be able to connect to anyone else on the network.
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If you go into help > debug window and type
getblock 9275ea28b52bb9b2879b4b7f731405adca8573a04e628df3dc5621a95f5058d6
and don't get an error, you're on the right track.
Did that. Got block not found (code-5)EDIT: but for a minute, it was trying to catch me up to block 3645, then reverted back to 3542. Will this resolve itself, or do I need to delete the wallet and redownload? I did install the updated client from that dropbox file that's posted at the top of this thread. EDIT 2: Now it's trying to catch me up to block 3672, and it's staying there for a while. It's taking a long time to get 3541, but the trend is looking good so far. EDIT 3: Now the block it's trying to catch me up to is block 3662, still not getting past 3541, and meanwhile my pool says block 3691. EDIT 4: Now it's only trying to catch me up to block 3544, and still can't seem to get past block 3541. Any insight? |
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Cleared everything but the wallet dat for a third time not really sure I'm on the right fork as I cannot fully sync and can't get past block 3530 (of 3644 it says)
I have the same issue. My wallet is stuck at 3530. I saw it try to sync once since I first saw that but no blocks were updated. What do I need to do? Since I posted this it's syncing again and showing me it's at block 3531. So... maybe I just need to be patient? Please let me know if I'm on the right track EDIT: it's now at 3541, but seems to think there are only 3542 blocks. I'm guessing it will keep checking until it's finally truly caught up. Am I correct? |
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Explain to me how to fix my old wallet as if Im 5. Stuck syncing and Im assuming theres an issue as the fork word is being tossed around, but I need to know what a non technical person needs to do to get back on track
The old wallet wont work I downloaded the first update after the edit and mine is synced up and on the same block as Supernova pool so I think that's right. Wallet fell behind now and wont sync, cleared it all and re downloaded and its stuck.... Have you downloaded the latest wallet? I think so used the one in the main post v 1.0 1.0 uploaded 2 hours ago (Windows wallet) Ok, we very recently had a huge forking issue. Try clearing everything except seedcoin.conf (if you have it) and wallet.dat. If you want to be absolutely certain you end up on the right fork, *temporarily* put the following in your seedcoin.conf until you sync completely. connect=185.45.192.191
connect=198.144.184.175
connect=199.127.226.221
It'll take some time, but once you're completely sync'd, please remove those lines so that you'll be able to connect to the rest of the network. Cleared everything but the wallet dat for a third time not really sure I'm on the right fork as I cannot fully sync and can't get past block 3530 (of 3644 it says) I have the same issue. My wallet is stuck at 3530. I saw it try to sync once since I first saw that but no blocks were updated. What do I need to do? |
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