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1861  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: June 21, 2017, 09:28:04 AM
All addicted gamblers are starting from being a normal or ordinary gambler. But if your reason for what makes you coming back is for having fun, it's also a normal reason of the addict gamblers. I'm not saying that you are an addicted gambler but you have a similar reason to them.
I came back because of the happiness that the gambling gives me, it is a kind of addiction that i can reject because it runs to my blood and everytime i gamled i feel so happy and contended thats why i keep on coming back and give extra time or spare time in playing gamble everyday because it is my hobby my daily routine.

We do have our own way of being happy and you found it with gambling. It's good for you as long as you are enjoying but you should know the advantages and disadvantages for coming back in gambling. And if you think that you are born to be gambler just know your responsibility as a gambler.

Huge number of people involves in bitcoin as they want earn bitcoin or Fiat with the less effort by having capital fund to play. We should not greedy or out of control in lost situation while doing gambling investment.
There is responsibility for the gambler to take care in bitcoinand other things. They may earn or loose that's it.

I agree that we all have to be responsible in growing our bitcoins. We shall not hastily gamble it without any strategies being use and lost it all. We should only gamble bitcoins that we could afford to lose or just play with little bitcoin money.
1862  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why is gambling so addicting? on: June 21, 2017, 01:00:12 AM
It's a human nature and that's why everyone gets addicted to gambling. And I think most of the gamblers that are being addicted easily are the newbie ones. Also when we started to gamble we usually think that there's no more tomorrow so we don't intend to waste our times to try to gamble again in so many ways.

Addiction to gamble doesnt mean that you are still young or atleast new to the gambling scene. There are alot of people that have been addicted for years and still play. They keep playing because they got various reason however in the end what makes them keep playing is because they could get money from it.

I'm talking about those people who are becoming addicted easily to gambling. And base on my experience, when I was still new to gambling, the excitement was intense and that made me excited all the time. So, that made me addicted easily because I experienced to win good amount for consecutive weeks.

If you earned little profit in the gambling you will get attracted to invest more amount in btc gambling like some games are addicted to the people. However, be in your limits. If you loose the money continuously you can stop and invest on another platform as well.
Yes it's the cycle of addiction. You will benefit on it for the first time and that will make you more believe that you can have the same result when you gamble again. But the same mistake is happening, not all the time we do experience a lot of wins. And when you came to that point, you will try to recover your losses and will certainly become addicted.

If you tell that to a gambling addict they probably will agree with you. Though they'll also admit that even if they know there's something wrong, they're almost powerless to do something about it. It's become a need for them and at worst, something that they rely on for their sanity. People like us who don't feel the same would have a hard time understanding the reason behind this

Even you will tell it to the addicted gamblers then will have hard time to understand it. And instead of stopping and realizing they are totally addict in gambling. That's also a thing in gambling, when you started to become addicted, it will make you more addicted and you will be tied up to it. That leads to main reason why everyone can't get out of it.
That's because they are so dependent on gambling that they forgot who they are and they are probably out of their minds because all they think about is the chance of winning the jackpot, and that's not going to work.

You said it. Once you are addicted to a certain thing like gambling, drugs, alcohol, and the like - you seem to feel that what you are doing is just a normal thing. That is why you will be having a hard time going out of that addiction because you feel that everything is still good. So you keep on gambling even though you also keep on losing.
1863  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: June 19, 2017, 03:52:18 PM
There is nothing wrong with gambling because it is fun and entertaining. No one knows when gambling can be beneficial or huge lost because it is all due to luck and skills probably the ratio is 90% luck and 10% skill. There is only one thing that is bad when it comes to gambling and that is the word Greed. With you being greedy it will just lead to bigger lose. So when you do gambling just think of it as a source of enjoyment  not gaining profit.

So true. Just play on it just for fun and enjoy while it last. Don't bother to think of it as a means to earn. Go find a suitable and stable job for you. Because if you think that gambling can be a good source of income for you and your family, you are dead wrong. Play for fun and not for profit and for sure everything will be fine with you.

I could not agree more to you. Treating gambling as a source of income for your family is really a BIG BIG wrong idea. You will surely be frustrated and stresses will eat you alive. The most thing that will happen is that you only not earn any money for your family but you are also selling all of your properties and belongings - what then can you say to your kids?
That's just common sense. Why would you even use that as a source of income when the risk of having a large winning amount there is low. It's better to use the money that you are going to bet to a better place because, in gambling, that's just going to eat it up if you fail to deliver in your games, you should be thinking of the possibility of winning the amount. Just be satisfied with what you have and find alternatives.

That is true. and even if it is just common sense, the sad truth is that, there are still people that fall prey in gambling more than they can afford to lose and therefore affecting their family relationship and even lost all of their hard earned properties
yes for such people gambling is not a good activity and they should try to avoid gambling and make themselves busy in other constructive activities, but still there are such kind of people who are still playing gambling in a good way they play gambling up to a limit and never try to exceed that limit and therefore playing gambling is a good activity for them and they can continue gambling for a long long time without harming his life and his family life.

You are correct mate. These people are playing it right or gambling in a right way which is just playing for fun and entertainment and only spending money that they can afford to lose.

It seems you are a typical person who judges a person who gambles to make money is wrong. Not always gambling to make money is wrong. Wrong or not depends not on purpose, but depends on how to play each.
Its non of our business on how a certain person would treat gambling really since its his own money and we cant do anything about it. Gambling would be only wrong if you are already compromising too much your money where comes to a point that you already spend the money is already being lend for your living and also you did already bad things just to gamble.

I agree with you. At the end of the day, it is always the person who are addicted to gambling will going to help himself or herself. Our advices will be just his reference of his decision and we can't really force him or her to quit gambling.
1864  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: June 19, 2017, 03:49:35 PM
There is no way you can earn bitcoin sitting and sleeping in your home doing nothing. Lots of people get scammed who think as you and put money into hyip and cloud mining sites getting greedy to earn passive income doing nothing. If you really want passive income better you learn to start, promote and maintain site in bitcoin nieche and earn from adnetworks, but this will also need some effort from you.
In order to earn on a lot of system or even in bitcoin one should do there part on moving forward. There is no shortcut to success so it means every step we will make on moving forward to earn through bitcoin we need to work hard and give our full effort not just to earn but of course to educate ourselves by the system of bitcoin like on its development, transaction and security through this we can make changes and development on our chosen way on earning.

That is true. There is really no easy money unless you are already very skillful at getting at it through your talent or skills. Just like in bitcoins, in order to get a steady income, well just for me, I do a signature campaign, sports betting, and trading - at the end of the month, I see some positive gains although I have another strong source of income though.
1865  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To Gamble or To Invest? on: June 19, 2017, 03:46:40 PM
I think it's better to invest it, rather than to gamble it. If invested it, it's clear our balance is safer from lost, and can benefit even little by little, obviously it's safer than gamble it, gambling is more at risk.

I will side with you that investment is safer than gambling because it is less risky If you've researched and know what you're putting your money into. Gambling can also be profitable but very risky that's why I consider investment as the lesser of two evils because you can loose your money in wrong investments too but it takes time and not instant.
I think it depends on how much money you have and you are willing to risk. If you can afford to lose few bucks then choose gambling or betting, if you are willing to risk more money then invest in something.
Gamble your little money only if you can not resist your gambling addiction.
It is part of the way to quit gambling slowly too , as for me nothing really good in gambling.
Invest your money on crypto project of course more reliable but you need do some research to make sure everything okay.

I know that it would be ok for a full-blood gambling addict to play only a little money because they won't be feeling that thrill and excitement when gambling with a little money. I am just seeing though because I once almost got addicted and I only find it good to gamble some bigger amount of money. What changed me was when I had my baby born already that was a deciding moment for me to eventually quit gambling.
1866  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to play gambling in a smart way? on: June 19, 2017, 03:37:32 PM
Gambling is either you win or lose and its a game it depends on the player when to quit the game.But in a smarter way dont put all for betting.Set aside the capital then everytime of winnninng keep on pocket so that your money is in safe  and secured.You donnt go home a loser but a winner.

There is no point to use the money that you have won and keep on playing. Sure that you might win another one but to be honest the chances are pretty small to be considered. I dont think that it is worth the risk but some people like to get more, for me when I win then it is the right time to stop at that moment

That is a very wise decision to stop at once when you win some and don't ever ever ever ever, did I see ever?, well yes don't ever be greedy when you already have a winning streak. Just stop and take a deep breath, withdraw and celebrate.
1867  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What keeps you coming back??? on: June 19, 2017, 03:34:19 PM
The need of money is what is keeping me to come back to those sites. Especially when the price is going high. I don't have to worry about the price because I only get my gambling money from signature campaigns. I can win good amounts even the odds are low because the equivalent in my fiat is high.

I understand your point but honestly gambling is more associated with big losses than wins and the odds are, of course against you, otherwise the casino would not survive. Then again one does not have to stick to gambling to earn money. You can play the EV+ games and sports betting which are more profitable. Then also you can try bitcoin vs fiat trading which is much better than gambling in my opinion.
if you can read the chart and can predict what would be the possible movement this binary pairing would be a better gamble to try but if you don't have any idea about this type of game better to stay out and play with sports game where you can combined your knowledge and you capability to do your homework before placing a bet.

Binary pairing and such stuff are no better than gambling on an EV- dice game. Its no different than that. Yes it is true that one must venture into the realms of where they are capable of applying their skills and that exactly what I meant in my post. The fact that EV- gambling needs no skills but just pure luck is known. That is why skill hungry games like poker and sports betting or even trading bitcoin is better.

I agree that binary is also a form of gambling. What you should master is the skill of trading altcoins and not doing binary trading. The latter, as I have said, is similar to gambling while the former gives you a chance of having a winning trades if you execute well calculated trading plans.
1868  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: the easiest way to make a profit from gambling? on: June 19, 2017, 03:32:24 PM
The most easy way to make a profit are no deposit bonuses because you can win but you can not lose anything. Skill based games have tendencial a higher chance to make a profit but this depend also on your personal skills.

Oh well you might have some point but for me, tere are different styles on how you approach gambling some would strategize and some would just base it on pure luck. Some would even think they are lukcy that they will go all in. And at the end of the day, if you win then you are lucky, but if you lose then its just not your day already and take that hint to go home.

In short, if your playing sessions are no longer giving you happiness or it is no longer fun at all, that is a very good hint that you must stop at once already. Don't ever chase your losses and call it a day. Fight again another day and hopefully, you will already win it. But there is really ni point on chasing losses, just play for fun.
1869  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: June 19, 2017, 03:29:55 PM
Gambling - meh
Betting - sure, why not? If you know what you are doing.

I am with you mate. We already have lay down potential circumstance to the effect of gambling but yes, there are still people that really prefers gambling over up to the point where they are already using their hard earned money and family savings just for gambling - this is too bad.
1870  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Trading vs Gambling on: June 19, 2017, 03:28:03 PM
Trading vs gambling? Both of this you have to take risk especially in trading? You have no idea if your money will return to you and reach your expectations. But when in gambling? You have no idea what's going to happen but in this case? It's better if you know how to limit yourself in gambling! Your money may be double or triple. Just relax and have fun

There's no 100% your money will double/triple if you play gambling, just lost you get. There are people who earn much money in gambling but they spend a lot money rather than money they earned, so the point is gambling is just for fun and waste your money.

In trading you can cut your lose although you don't have idea or you can't reach your expectation.

There are really big sharks that are winning big on online casinos. However, you are right that they earn big because they have a good amount of capital compared to us. With trading, you can really create a calculate trade plan and follow it strictly.
1871  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: how to start trading with a very small amount on: June 19, 2017, 03:25:54 PM

If you don't have a big budget, investing in cheap and promising cryptocurrencies is a good strategy for the long term. If and when bitcoins and other alts become mainstream they will definitely increase in value. Coins like doge, steem, digibyte and more. Good luck.

Other than investing to cheap and promising cryptocurrencies, you can also find and research good ICO altcoins and invest on its early stages - if those altcoins offered ICO, goes up in price, then you will be very lucky and earn handsome gains.
1872  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To Gamble or To Invest? on: June 19, 2017, 03:23:22 PM
I think it's better to invest it, rather than to gamble it. If invested it, it's clear our balance is safer from lost, and can benefit even little by little, obviously it's safer than gamble it, gambling is more at risk.

I will side with you that investment is safer than gambling because it is less risky If you've researched and know what you're putting your money into. Gambling can also be profitable but very risky that's why I consider investment as the lesser of two evils because you can loose your money in wrong investments too but it takes time and not instant.
Surely investment is safer than gambling, although both have certain risks but risks from gambling is bigger, in gambling most of us always had to depend mainly on luck, there are also some gambling games that use skills such as poker but if we want to win, our skills need to be better than other players, earning money from gambling is very difficult. Investment is highly dependent on skills and experience, if we have the knowledge and experience about the investment, we can limit many risks and make a lot of profits
It differs on what you are really investing on because gambling isn't for everyone and it comes with a price all the time. There are just things that are worth to invest on. Gambling doesn't offer that kind of returns just because of the house edge, it's not going to be easy to earn a profit, it's just that we will see if you are lucky or not on that current circumstance.

gambling are really based on luck except skill required gambling like poker games. When you depend you family income on luck, then that is very risky because in gambling, you are only lucky seldom due to house edge advantage.
1873  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What did you do in the past 24 hours in Poloniex? on: June 19, 2017, 03:21:22 PM
I mean, in the past 24 hours, I was trying to deposit and buy altcoins because they are so tempting due to them being very cheap. However, I am afraid to deposit because it might not get through.

Question: Have you able to manage to buy and sell in polo in the past 24 hours? or have you sold your altcoins, hold? What exactly your actions during the past 24 hours?

I'm wondering?  Undecided

We peeked in just to see if there was anything difference and all of our accounts are unchanged.  We only use them for a small, specific set of coins that only they have on their and we have had no reason to be there lately.  No verification email, no 2FA(we never touch it), just a 15 minute process, before it showed on the other wallet, and then around 8 minutes to go to the required 3 confirmations.

Yes same here, I also don't see any changes on my account during those times. It was really just a glitch on the system or even on their server - but we really don't know what transpire during those hours in poloniex.
1874  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why is gambling so addicting? on: June 19, 2017, 03:17:05 PM
Because people want to be happy and gambling produces happiness hormones. Most people have a lot of stress and problems every day and after work we want to forget about the problems and just want to have fun while gambling.  Smiley

How is it fun when you can lose your money? I truly dont really see how you could have fun when you know that every bet could cost you some money. It is not like you are going to win all the time, in fact you are going to lose big time but people keep saying that it is fun to bet for fun, that is truly an absurd reason

It's more the feeling you get from the dopamine response when gambling.  It's a thrilling and experience.  There's also something exciting about not knowing what the outcome is going to be.  Logically though, you're right in that even though it's possible to win, in the long-run, the odds are against you.

You are correct that it is all about the feeling of excitement, thrill, and the like. There are also other people that even though there are no longer feeling the excitement the gambling can offer, they still tend to come back in order to chase those previous losses they have - only to find out that they lose even more on the process.
1875  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: the easiest way to make a profit from gambling? on: June 19, 2017, 03:02:38 PM
The most easy way to make a profit are no deposit bonuses because you can win but you can not lose anything. Skill based games have tendencial a higher chance to make a profit but this depend also on your personal skills.

with bonuses from online casinos, you should always read the white paper first and its conditions because sometimes, you can only cashout your earnings once you make full use of the bonus coin given by the online casinos.
1876  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin make Banks disappear? on: June 19, 2017, 03:00:07 PM
I don't think that would ever happen, because bitcoins are not legal tender and are not being controlled by anyone including government of all countries or banks. So there could be a possibility for bitcoin to be worthless but that is very unlikely to happen as bitcoins is a very establish and valuable assets now.

People would still put portion of their cash in banks and would only use some part of it to invest into bitcoins so I don't see a reason why banks would disappear just because of bitcoin.
I do think like you. why would banks disappear just because of bitcoin? Nowadays, not many people don't know or even hear about it. Of course, Bitcoin is very good to be invested. But If Banks disappear, it will take time and very long.

I agree and bank is already an established institution and it can't be easily be eradicated by bitcoins for sure. Unless something very unusual phenomenon that will happen and all of our fiat transactions get affected.
1877  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: June 19, 2017, 02:55:11 PM
If someone which follows the set of rules and be discipline enoff. Can people make 50-100 $ a day just gambling in online casino.....?
I don't think so especially with 50-100 dollars a day even though you have enough luck it will not work. Casinos will not let you win that big and you should know that gamblers never became rich. For me I don't consider gambling as a profitable activity because I always ended up into lose.

Well, there is really no fixed earning or winnings in gambling on a regular daily basis. Even in trading where it is less riskier than gambling, one cannot guarantee of fixed regular daily income of in this example $50 - $100 a day. However, you can have more than that though if you are lucky enough but most of the time you are not when we are talking of gambling
1878  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: June 19, 2017, 01:44:00 PM
There is nothing wrong with gambling because it is fun and entertaining. No one knows when gambling can be beneficial or huge lost because it is all due to luck and skills probably the ratio is 90% luck and 10% skill. There is only one thing that is bad when it comes to gambling and that is the word Greed. With you being greedy it will just lead to bigger lose. So when you do gambling just think of it as a source of enjoyment  not gaining profit.

So true. Just play on it just for fun and enjoy while it last. Don't bother to think of it as a means to earn. Go find a suitable and stable job for you. Because if you think that gambling can be a good source of income for you and your family, you are dead wrong. Play for fun and not for profit and for sure everything will be fine with you.

I could not agree more to you. Treating gambling as a source of income for your family is really a BIG BIG wrong idea. You will surely be frustrated and stresses will eat you alive. The most thing that will happen is that you only not earn any money for your family but you are also selling all of your properties and belongings - what then can you say to your kids?
That's just common sense. Why would you even use that as a source of income when the risk of having a large winning amount there is low. It's better to use the money that you are going to bet to a better place because, in gambling, that's just going to eat it up if you fail to deliver in your games, you should be thinking of the possibility of winning the amount. Just be satisfied with what you have and find alternatives.

That is true. and even if it is just common sense, the sad truth is that, there are still people that fall prey in gambling more than they can afford to lose and therefore affecting their family relationship and even lost all of their hard earned properties
yes for such people gambling is not a good activity and they should try to avoid gambling and make themselves busy in other constructive activities, but still there are such kind of people who are still playing gambling in a good way they play gambling up to a limit and never try to exceed that limit and therefore playing gambling is a good activity for them and they can continue gambling for a long long time without harming his life and his family life.

You are correct mate. These people are playing it right or gambling in a right way which is just playing for fun and entertainment and only spending money that they can afford to lose.
1879  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: June 19, 2017, 01:41:16 PM
Hello All,

What you think is the best investment to gain steady income in btc without actively doing anything?
So no trading/gambling/loaning etc.

Steady income more likely to be 'small & secure' than 'big & risky'.

Thanks,
BR Oinas


I think for me joining in high paid signature campaign is considered steady income in bitcoin world without any risk. In gambling, trading and loan is a high risk because you have a capital for it and it is uncertain to gain a quality profit.

Nowadays, because of the rise of bitcoin, signature campaign pays well compared to a year ago. I am now happy that my signature campaign earnings will be used to pay for my car loan amortization and may even use the excess for another business ideas Smiley I do have my main source of income and that will cover all of my bills and family expenses though.
1880  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: June 19, 2017, 01:37:09 PM
Trading is the best way to earn a steady income from bitcoin but another option is You can lend money to people then you can take interest from the loan.

Although the loan interest is not that big, it will be if you have some many coins being rent out. I was doing this before on poloniex when I don't feel trading I just make btc or altcoins offered for loan and will earn some small interest but it is ok than no gaining at all.
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