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2141  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: September 03, 2014, 12:31:24 PM
This strongly depends on a combination of which side you are on plus the level of knowledge you can call your own Wink

.edit:
I think I found a bot on an exchange which is used for driving the price up or down without creating much volume. Fun thing is: you can use the bot yourself to make it close gaps in the order book (keep the transaction fee plus the ~1% profitability many bots reserve for trading in mind). When the gaps are somewhat closed, further trading is triggered (not sure yet if that's also bots).

Funny how they test lower/higher orders (if they differ something about 100sat from the previous highest/lowest order) with micro trades to see if the order disappears. If it doesn't, they'll go higher/lower. A bit smarter than a year ago.
What's really dumb (even if it's supposedly only one bot overbidding you): once it placed its order, you can safely remove your order. It won't even check the gap to the next highest/lowest orders, so it could place a more profitable order.

The guys who programmed those bots should really be dickslapped (thanks, YourMother, for this vocab) all day long. Or, on the other hand, they should be rewarded for being clever and releasing really, really bad trading software to the public, so they can benefit from it themselves. ^^
2142  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: September 03, 2014, 11:39:20 AM
...or short: "k" (non capital) for "kilo" = 1000.

.edit:
If one becomes a bit more experienced, faith in an asset won't matter that much anymore. Then, all of a sudden, everything only becomes a matter of observation (when doing low volume trading) or manipulation (with high volume). Two counterparties facing each other every day in crypto, each trying to benefit from the other one.
The one being more clever/forsightful wins the race. That's usually the high volume guy, because he got his high volume from former experience. High volume guys who got their fortune due to a lucky earlier investment usually become low volume guys as time goes by, the reasons being greed and a total lack of knowledge, sometimes coupled with a stubborn refusal to gather any knowledge at all.
Only the smartest low volume guys will be able to recognize the patterns over a longer period of time to actually profit from the high volume guys. Easiest explanation would be: if it wasn't this way, the high volume guys would have stopped playing the markets a long time ago. Without experience, it's a gamble and nothing more.
2143  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: September 03, 2014, 09:41:27 AM
From IRC
Quote
[13:04] <wokstar> how goes the production alty
[13:04] <@alty> Still looking good for the 10th
[13:08] <wokstar> woohoo
[13:08] <wokstar> will you be providing some sneak peeks or anything before hand?
[13:14] <@alty> I'll see with the devs if there is anything worth showing... It's all code for now
... not that some code would be something bad to see... Wink
2144  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: September 03, 2014, 08:35:22 AM
Listen to 'Allyouracid'.  He knows what he's talking about.

Allyouracid-It could be day trader/bot buying and selling it's own, creating volume, and some small players buy in, in between.  Remember the 177 buy/sell coins?  Look at the book, only takes a couple of thousand. If these guys release a solid working form of anything by deadline, the book is set up to explode.  I've seen this before, it's a good sign.
A bot was my thought, too. Since weeks, almost months i watch this behavior, and I'm constantly comparing charts, trade times and source code of more or less known trading bots and engines, being constantly sleep deprived and doing my own analysis and coding, trying to figure out the weak points of that system. I think, I'm getting closer. Or I might just be hallucinating. ^^

please tell us more, how does it work? and what is the purpose of these bots.?
Well, the obvious and short answer would be: making money.
If you take a look at the 2 recent spikes on cryptsy (1d chart), you'll notice that their way of progression is very similar. And cryptsy's chart is full of such spikes. They don't look that much same-ish like the last two, but the pattern is always roughly the same.
I wouldn't bet my ass for this being a bot, because I could not clearly relate the price in-/decreases to a certain time (most bots are coded as sloppy as fuck and if you read and understand the code, it's [or it was... got a bit better] easy to determine their timeframe of action, meaning building and analyzing indicators, so you can do the same [e.g. with EMA 9/20 when the bot uses EMA 10/21, so you're a bit earlier to detect the signals] and e.g. buy before they finished and then sell on their sorry asses like every hour or so).

I don't know if the volume of CLOAK is really that much manipulated, because if it was, that would mean that one (or a couple of) person(s) patched the orderbook with his/their own orders all the way along, making small buys from himself and others while removing parts of his sell orders and thus pushing the price up with little money.
When the price has reached a good value, other buyers (don't know yet if it's the usual "buy high, sell low" type of guys or another manipulation; perhaps a mix of both) step in (you can clearly see this if you watch the usual price increases... I'm working in home office, so i can always have a short look on my charts screen) and when there are enough of them, the selloff begins. Last two spikes on cryptsy was where I watched this yesterday, for example.

Currently, I'm accumulating historical trade data from cryptsy. I'm writing a tool which should provide all the tools I'm missing on the existing ones, meaning not only showing data from past trades/volume etc, but also analyzing it, so the correlations between volume, timeframes and price fluctuations become directly visible using charts, graphs and tables.
Sadly this takes a lot of time to finish (finally using good programming techniques like OOP and MVC, separate Backend and Frontend), so I'm collecting the data I need, spend time in coding when I can and hopefully someday, it will turn out useful and help to see things how they are. Because I'm quite certain that exchanges intentionally only provide a minimal set of features, whereas it is VERY easy to provide way more information and analysis if you already have a JavaScript charting library integrated.


.edit:
I think it can be watched on cryptsy right now.
2145  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: September 03, 2014, 08:09:37 AM
Just to mention it: the announcement picture says October 9th, why are we talking about September 10th?

Someone misinterpreted date Cheesy.
Question is: who? I have no idea about who in this thread comes from what country/timezone and what date format they use, or if they use the metric system, gas or petrol, prefer a biro or a ball point pen or eat potaytos or potahtos...
2146  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: September 03, 2014, 07:39:33 AM
Just to mention it: the announcement picture says October 9th, why are we talking about September 10th?
2147  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: September 02, 2014, 09:40:59 PM
Listen to 'Allyouracid'.  He knows what he's talking about.

Allyouracid-It could be day trader/bot buying and selling it's own, creating volume, and some small players buy in, in between.  Remember the 177 buy/sell coins?  Look at the book, only takes a couple of thousand. If these guys release a solid working form of anything by deadline, the book is set up to explode.  I've seen this before, it's a good sign.
A bot was my thought, too. Since weeks, almost months i watch this behavior, and I'm constantly comparing charts, trade times and source code of more or less known trading bots and engines, being constantly sleep deprived and doing my own analysis and coding, trying to figure out the weak points of that system. I think, I'm getting closer. Or I might just be hallucinating. ^^
2148  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: September 02, 2014, 09:04:41 PM
39998 on Mintpal  Grin

Just 10 more BTC to get to 50K

I like this coin but feel we're all being taken for aride. Sigh...
I constantly wonder how they're doing this. CLOAK went up almost 1/3rd of its previous price with literally no volume. On Cryptsy. I don't get it.
2149  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: September 02, 2014, 06:22:02 PM
For now, chart/vol look great and heavy
To highlight what mimini0147 talking about: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mintpal/cloakbtc stochrsi on both 15m and 30m indicates about very oversold price.

StochRSI is meaningless for under 4hrs. If you want a good idea of where we're going you should be looking at 12hrs.
... but you do realize that an RSI on a 15min chart is in no way suitable to determine whether an asset is oversold or not, don't you? ^^

Also, a value around 43 is not that oversold.

.edit: misquoted. This is for yourwaytowealth
2150  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: September 02, 2014, 09:21:15 AM
The two coins you want to be invested in this month as some big news and updates are imminent.....drum rolls please.....

Cloakcoin - the awakening and resurrection happens on Sept 10th! Expect to see 001 very soon. Big buys are being filled as we speak. Follow the signs.

XCurrency (XC) - Final Rev 2 releases on Sept 15th - this is huge! We will break 002 and won't turn back.

Folks easy money here. You can thank me l8r Wink

News barely moves altcoins after the initial pump and dump. Be excited about the development, not its influence on the price, because you're likely to be very dissappointed in a few weeks time.
Yeah, it's only people with money who want to make others believe that the price is influenced by news (oldest trick ever: use news to push the price higher than your budget allows for). Remember February this year and later when a fuckton of shops and services started accepting Bitcoin payments? The price did barely move... Remember the last implementations of features in cloak? The price even dropped.

News and features are irrelevant, at least short term. They're only important for those moving the market. Sad but true.

Also, flashbit, it's not that you're known for your correct predictions about the price. No pun intended. Wink
2151  Economy / Services / Re: [PrimeDice] [Highest Paid Signature] Earn Bitcoins Simply By Posting on: August 31, 2014, 11:52:56 PM
Stunna,

I made 55 quality posts between claiming my payment for last month and your post on the 21st, which did not include me. I have also made 14 posts since the 21st. As I did not receive any actual notification of being dropped from the signature campaign (a post in this thread does not suffice), I am requesting payment for all 69 posts.

That totals .0414 at the Full Member rate. I will be a Senior Member next normal payout date, so the amount I should be paid is .069. Please send to the address on my profile any time between now and September payout.

I'd also be happy to stay in the campaign, if you'd like.

Sadly U r not part of the September payout. I might consider to check this post regarding this => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg8477461#msg8477461
Doesn't matter, I already made 55 posts for September before that was even posted. Besides, everyone terminated for September who received a payout for August should have been explicitly notified - which I wasn't.
To be honest: I don't see things the way you do. In my opinion, the payments for the posts is just a little extra you can get for posting and I really don't see the PD team in the responsibility to notify everyone who is affected (I found it out right now after coming back from holidays and I'm affected, too). Otherwise, the forum's quality would suffer.
Also (and I really don't want to sound like ascribing things to you of which I don't know if they're true), "claiming" the coins the way you did really sounds a bit like you're only posting here for the advertisement, regardless of the topic.

Again, I really don't want to be insulting, it's just the impression I got while reading the post. Smiley
2152  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 31, 2014, 10:40:55 PM
Bagholders of cloak! volume is gone price is dropping, time to dump this coin hard
Can you please take the time to type a short reply to my question? Or are serious, constructive questions not welcome here?
Also, my suggestion can (or could have) save(d) you from wasting energy to satisfy your desperate need to laugh at others because you did not do your due diligence prior to "investing". Or is this just compulsive behavior?
Whatever, if you only invested half of the energy you used for writing FUD posts and showing us how how scruffy your vocabulary is to actually learn something about trading (and using the knowledge), you'd have at least half (if not all or even more) of your lent money still (or again) in your pockets.

I know it probably feels bad, but heck... just complaining and being patronizing towards others won't bring you anything back. Ever. Whereas accepting the mistake you did and trying to minimize the problem would.
Quote from: allyourbase
Jorr, did you ever have the idea to just trade the highs and lows to regain the money you have lost?

I also "lost" money (bought at 250-300k sat), but due to continuous trading, my loss is nowhere near the 5% the price went to. Actually, my losses are almost covered.
2153  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 31, 2014, 04:16:15 PM
too many bagholders here typing same bullish stuff every day, getting really boring!

7 btc volume on mintpal haha soon delisted

jorrr, you have lost $16,000 of borrowed money....I feel very sorry for you. but honestly dude its not the dev team or the coins faults but unfortunately its your own.
And to YourMother and Skyvalley they have also both invested in cloak at the top and lost out hence the trolling.

All I can say is move on

And p.s I made mega cash off of cloak already and plan on making plenty more on the next rise BOOYAAA!!!
Jorr, did you ever have the idea to just trade the highs and lows to regain the money you have lost?

I also "lost" money (bought at 250-300k sat), but due to continuous trading, my loss is nowhere near the 5% the price went to. Actually, my losses are almost covered.
2154  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 28, 2014, 09:43:00 PM
Jorrr ur like the bad smell that never goes away...

i got a mission to save you from another heart breaking decline
 
I bought 10 cloak coin, so i can better feel how you feel if it declines another 95 %

I'm waiting for the release of P.U.M.P. V2
What the, fuck YourMother seems to have too much of an impact on you. Although recognized, I'd say your altruistic mission is not appreciated. Same goes for FurMother, although he is funny. Just his English got weaker.
2155  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 24, 2014, 04:12:56 PM
^ Optimistic bagholder getting closer to a cave filled with wealth and prosperity
Or "YourMother after having made an investment" ^^
2156  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 24, 2014, 03:42:18 PM
Guys like I said yesterday news was coming. This will be very positive news. Time to move over from your other coins and buy like no tomorrow while its cheap. You won't be sorry.
Alarm bells, anyone?
2157  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 22, 2014, 10:50:31 PM
From what I heard Alty is on vacation but will be back soon, "main dev" has been getting some flying time in his helicopter while still coding hard, and the OneMarket dev is still coding but will be temporarily tied up, but the team is still pressing on with deliverables...  I guess the simple explanation is "it's August".  Always slow in august, people have vacations and summer stuff...

Anyway, hope it dumps down some more, it will be in my price range to buy some more, but then I have to wonder if it is possible to push it back up if all the deep pockets are abandoning ship.  :confused:

are you seriously believing the vacation story stuff?  Undecided Undecided

why are there so few angry people, they dumped on your ass when they knew posa wasn't going to deliver. Buy wall after buy wall got dumped on, and still you show support and type bullish stuff here
Really?
Ok. Being angry does not change anything; tough luck and you'll end up like YourMother. Also, I don't care about the money. I started with crypto back in 2011 and I always followed the golden rule.
2158  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 22, 2014, 04:59:19 PM
Price is ready to explode! Get onboard before its too late!!
... and there's people actually complaining about trolls.

This thread should be moderated, again. Now I know why bumface was sick of all this stuff here. Although I must admit that I didn't imagine it to be that ugly. People with a language which makes you just wonder what happened in their childhood vs choo choo train and explosion talk. I'm out.
2159  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 22, 2014, 07:28:29 AM
Feel sorry for ppl that didnt ignore yourmother weeks ago!
You mean those who hold strong opinions about things they don't understand, gathering their information solely based on angry posts of other forum members they don't know anything about? If so, you should also feel sorry for them diving into the world of crypto at all.
2160  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [CLOAK] Cloakcoin | No Premine | X13 | Decentralized Market and PoSA on: August 22, 2014, 06:09:26 AM
Very good and also profits at another coins.

I never get panic like you do lol.

How's your 16,000$ loan from bank?

You lost 11btc from this money or maybe more?

We talked few days ago, please do update how noob lost money borrowed from bank and start homeless crypto story

without wallet lol



Smart Jorrr Troll Soon:



Why are you laughing if other people lost money? Do you think this is funny?
Agree. Although it might not have been the best idea to borrow money from the bank to invest here, it's definitely not funny. A bit more respect, guys.
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